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Post by ChesterStokie on Feb 27, 2015 12:28:00 GMT
Well for the same reason that a ticket to see Madonna costs a lot more than a ticket to see the Manic Street Preachers. The demand is much higher for one than other. Look at it as a positive rather than the negative If you like MSP and don't like Madonna you're getting quite a good deal aren't you? The game against WBA is quite likely to be much better for a Stoke fan than a game against Man Utd, so you're getting quite a good deal there too. I just don't agree with it mate A football match is a football match so why should a fan of one club pay more than another It's not right but opinions eh Seems perfectly reasonable that a WBA fan pays less for their tickets than a Man Utd fan, in the same way a Chester FC fan pays less than a Stoke City fan. In the same way that you pay less for a Mini than a Porsche.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 12:34:31 GMT
I just don't agree with it mate A football match is a football match so why should a fan of one club pay more than another It's not right but opinions eh Seems perfectly reasonable that a WBA fan pays less for their tickets than a Man Utd fan, in the same way a Chester FC fan pays less than a Stoke City fan. In the same way that you pay less for a Mini than a Porsche. I would say your view is in the minority to be fair. When season ticket sales were down last season some of our lowest crowds of the season we're against the likes of Man City (25,052), Chelsea (25,154) and Everton (25,832) whereas the likes of West Ham, Hull City were sold out. The reason was simple, people want to watch the team but they will not or cannot pay £45+ for the privelage of doing so. That's why I don't get the whole "fickle, gloryhunter" accusations from the likes of Stafford Stokie. Fans will come and support but times are hard.....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 12:47:28 GMT
Would've been a big shock if they wouldn't have maintained the freeze - but still commendable. We've got to take the lead on matchday prices now. A modest reduction there and we can be trailblazers. That's a great graphic, FM. It just reiterates the ever marginalised contribution of gate receipts to the overall revenue generated. Clubs can realistically cut matchday prices with little or no impact on the operations of the business. It's reaching a point where it can't really be ignored any longer. It'd be great if we could get in there first and lead the way, instead of reacting to others stealing the spotlight on this issue.
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Post by ladyinred on Feb 27, 2015 14:33:23 GMT
Matchday pricing has not yet been announced.
The club could surprise us and say cheapest adult ticket for any match next season =£25, with incremental additions for more expensive areas of the ground.
Not likely, but today's announcement is in regards to ST's - not matchday tickets. Also if the club were to reduce matchday prices - (diluting the saving that a ST provides) then they would wait until after the STs were sold.
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Feb 27, 2015 14:41:06 GMT
Just doing some number crunching on this.
I'm disabled so get a free carer ticket, works out at £7.07 per game each over the 19 games
Cracking value that
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Post by foster on Feb 27, 2015 14:49:23 GMT
The club want season ticket sales, not match day sales. So I wouldn't hold your breath on seeing any significant change in match day prices.
The more season tickets they sell the more fixed revenue they get, the higher the average attendance is and the more reason to expand the Brit.
Personally I think the child ST for 38 quid (purchased with a full price adult ST) is fantastic value. Not sure if they have something similar at the moment but that's definitely brilliant value.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 27, 2015 15:04:03 GMT
Would've been a big shock if they wouldn't have maintained the freeze - but still commendable. We've got to take the lead on matchday prices now. A modest reduction there and we can be trailblazers. That's a great graphic, FM. It just reiterates the ever marginalised contribution of gate receipts to the overall revenue generated. Clubs can realistically cut matchday prices with little or no impact on the operations of the business. It's reaching a point where it can't really be ignored any longer. It'd be great if we could get in there first and lead the way, instead of reacting to others stealing the spotlight on this issue. Absolutely, WD. The goodwill they could get is frightening. The press would latch onto it and every other fanbase would demand the same from the greed league. The revenue they make from the 5000 or so matchday tickets a week at £30 or £40 ,rather than £25, absolutely pales in comparison. There's still ample room to reduce matchday prices and still leave the early bird ST as a no-brainer purchase for regulars to maintain the ST sales at the current levels.
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Post by jpm64 on Feb 27, 2015 15:04:11 GMT
Any idea when full price list will be released. I take my 17 year old daughter and 13 year old son can't see what price they will be ? And yes I know they are frozen but my daughter was UNDER 17 last season so what price now she is 17 ?? I'll put it another way.... Can anybody tell me how much they paid last season if they were over 17 but under 21 ?
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Post by Miles Offside on Feb 27, 2015 15:08:22 GMT
Half a loaf and all that. Would've preferred a full loaf though, with a bit of jam. Perhaps we'll get jam tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 15:16:40 GMT
That's a great graphic, FM. It just reiterates the ever marginalised contribution of gate receipts to the overall revenue generated. Clubs can realistically cut matchday prices with little or no impact on the operations of the business. It's reaching a point where it can't really be ignored any longer. It'd be great if we could get in there first and lead the way, instead of reacting to others stealing the spotlight on this issue. Absolutely, WD. The goodwill they could get is frightening. The press would latch onto it and every other fanbase would demand the same from the greed league. The revenue they make from the 5000 or so matchday tickets a week at £30 or £40 ,rather than £25, absolutely pales in comparison. There's still ample room to reduce matchday prices and still leave the early bird ST as a no-brainer purchase for regulars to maintain the ST sales at the current levels. Agreed mate. To take some ball park figures: - • Match day ticket: £35. Qty sold: 5000. Premier league games: 19 = total revenue £3,325,000 • Match day ticket: £20. Qty sold: 5000. Premier league games: 19 = total revenue £1,900,000 It’d be silly to suggest that a figure just under £1.5m is nothing, but in the grand scheme of things, it does make little difference to the club. I think I’m right in suggesting that any kind of mid-table finish next season would return well in excess of £100m in TV rights alone (I read somewhere the team that finishes bottom is due to pick up £100m) which is a truly staggering amount. The amount of money lost by dropping ticket prices (as estimated above) equates to around 1% of TV cash that is currently on the table. That completely excludes the commercial side of the business. If reducing match day pricing from £35 to £20 only affects the overall revenue by significantly less than 1% then it seems a no brainer. It would have little effect on the club but a massive difference to the fans, as well as the good publicity that would follow with it.
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Post by foster on Feb 27, 2015 15:23:44 GMT
The 8 year freeze will pick up plenty of good press I'm sure.
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Post by jpm64 on Feb 27, 2015 15:27:26 GMT
Any idea when full price list will be released. I take my 17 year old daughter and 13 year old son can't see what price they will be ? And yes I know they are frozen but my daughter was UNDER 17 last season so what price now she is 17 ?? Please..... Anyone ???
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Feb 27, 2015 15:30:49 GMT
The 8 year freeze will pick up plenty of good press I'm sure. That really should be highlighted. Even if a club were to reduce I'm still pretty sure we'd come out very favourably. There is also a balancing act that the Premier Clubs have to be careful with. Football needs its pyramid and the club's lower down can't exist without the gate receipts. If it became cheaper to watch top flight football than go to a League One game for example, there could be massive repercussions in the long term. I reckon Stoke have it (nearly) bang on.
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Post by salopstick on Feb 27, 2015 15:31:32 GMT
I have just telephoned v12 finance who run the finance option on behalf of the club.
They say that you still have to reply for new finance but as existing customers the process is much simpler.
I don't really believe that as I'm sure they said last year it's easier to add another year each March.
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Post by salopstick on Feb 27, 2015 15:32:52 GMT
Any idea when full price list will be released. I take my 17 year old daughter and 13 year old son can't see what price they will be ? And yes I know they are frozen but my daughter was UNDER 17 last season so what price now she is 17 ?? I'll put it another way.... Can anybody tell me how much they paid last season if they were over 17 but under 21 ? This years full price list is on the website for each stand and age
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Post by salopstick on Feb 27, 2015 15:33:53 GMT
I'll put it another way.... Can anybody tell me how much they paid last season if they were over 17 but under 21 ? This years full price list is on the website for each stand and age www.stokecityfc.com/tickets/seasoncards/
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Post by foster on Feb 27, 2015 15:37:35 GMT
The 8 year freeze will pick up plenty of good press I'm sure. That really should be highlighted. Even if a club were to reduce I'm still pretty sure we'd come out very favourably. There is also a balancing act that the Premier Clubs have to be careful with. Football needs its pyramid and the club's lower down can't exist without the gate receipts. If it became cheaper to watch top flight football than go to a League One game for example, there could be massive repercussions in the long term. I reckon Stoke have it (nearly) bang on. Never thought of that mate. It's a good point. I also think that reducing prices poses a risk later if for example a) the TV money deal goes tits up OR if b) we get relegated. In both cases our reliance of gate receipts will increase and should we want to increase prices again it will be seen negatively by fans. A Price Freeze please, in addition to 20 is plenty.
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Post by jpm64 on Feb 27, 2015 15:38:55 GMT
Cheers Salop couldn't see that earlier....... £90 increase for me this season then Good job her uni fees are being reduced once we have a labour government though
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Post by leicspotter on Feb 27, 2015 16:10:30 GMT
Everyone needs to read the small print before getting too carried away about season card prices for next time.
I Quote" the 'frozen' price applies only to existing season card holders who both renew during the 'early bird' window and also commit to not leaving their seat before the final whistle has blown...."
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Post by lawrieleslie on Feb 27, 2015 16:24:35 GMT
Why all the jizzfesting? Could understand it if it was a 20% reduction and then another 30% next season when the TV money increases. That way tickets would be half the current rip off price and perhaps more fans might get a chance to buy them and Scholes statement "to keep prices affordable for all" might have a ring if truth I think an 8 year price freeze is technically a price reduction isn't it Lawrie? I think its an incredible gesture from the club. Now if you're talking about match day prices I'm fully with you, Forty odd quid for certain games in a City such as ours is frankly disgusting and completely incongruous with such a wonderful offer to season ticket holders. Lets hope the club see fit to address this and apply their fine words to all supporters. Agree to a certain extent momo. Inflation has increased roughly 21% since 2008 which, on the face of it, you could say STs have reduced by freezing them at 2008 prices. However is there anybody out there who can say they have had a total wage increase of 21% since 2008? I'm a public servant and my wages have recently increased for the first time since 2010 by 2.2%. Oh plus £35 one-off concessionary bonus.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 27, 2015 16:31:20 GMT
The 8 year freeze will pick up plenty of good press I'm sure. That really should be highlighted. Even if a club were to reduce I'm still pretty sure we'd come out very favourably. There is also a balancing act that the Premier Clubs have to be careful with. Football needs its pyramid and the club's lower down can't exist without the gate receipts. If it became cheaper to watch top flight football than go to a League One game for example, there could be massive repercussions in the long term. I reckon Stoke have it (nearly) bang on. The answer to that is for the PL to share more of its huge wealth with the pyramid in recognition of its importance, not keep prices at top higher than they need be to avoid them dropping below FL prices. There is simply no justification for any PL club increasing any prices anywhere at the moment.
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Post by trigger on Feb 27, 2015 16:36:52 GMT
I have just telephoned v12 finance who run the finance option on behalf of the club. They say that you still have to reply for new finance but as existing customers the process is much simpler. I don't really believe that as I'm sure they said last year it's easier to add another year each March. I use v12 on a regular basis, once my purchase is paid up I simply buy another product and it rolls over easily, should be same as my ST surely.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Feb 27, 2015 16:41:09 GMT
That really should be highlighted. Even if a club were to reduce I'm still pretty sure we'd come out very favourably. There is also a balancing act that the Premier Clubs have to be careful with. Football needs its pyramid and the club's lower down can't exist without the gate receipts. If it became cheaper to watch top flight football than go to a League One game for example, there could be massive repercussions in the long term. I reckon Stoke have it (nearly) bang on. The answer to that is for the PL to share more of its huge wealth with the pyramid in recognition of its importance, not keep prices at top higher than they need be to avoid them dropping below FL prices. There is simply no justification for any PL club increasing any prices anywhere at the moment. That's a given, Malcolm but it doesn't look like happening anytime soon does it?
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Post by harryburrows on Feb 27, 2015 16:41:56 GMT
That really should be highlighted. Even if a club were to reduce I'm still pretty sure we'd come out very favourably. There is also a balancing act that the Premier Clubs have to be careful with. Football needs its pyramid and the club's lower down can't exist without the gate receipts. If it became cheaper to watch top flight football than go to a League One game for example, there could be massive repercussions in the long term. I reckon Stoke have it (nearly) bang on. The answer to that is for the PL to share more of its huge wealth with the pyramid in recognition of its importance, not keep prices at top higher than they need be to avoid them dropping below FL prices. There is simply no justification for any PL club increasing any prices anywhere at the moment. The premier league clubs need to find a way of preventing this latest increase in sky revenues from going straight into the players/ agents pockets ,as has previously been the case . it's about time premier league clubs made an effort to live within their means
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 27, 2015 16:51:54 GMT
Well for the same reason that a ticket to see Madonna costs a lot more than a ticket to see the Manic Street Preachers. The demand is much higher for one than other. Look at it as a positive rather than the negative If you like MSP and don't like Madonna you're getting quite a good deal aren't you? The game against WBA is quite likely to be much better for a Stoke fan than a game against Man Utd, so you're getting quite a good deal there too. I just don't agree with it mate A football match is a football match so why should a fan of one club pay more than another It's not right but opinions eh It terms of away tickets I fully agree with you. Price categorisation is wrong. The fact that Club x is richer, has a better team and finishes higher in the league than club y doesn't mean that their fans are richer. Away fans are the industry's best customers, can't benefit from reduced ST prices for those games and are essential to the TV product which generates all this wealth, and should not have their loyalty abused. Twenty's plenty as a flat rate price for all PL away fans. It's a different argument for the non-ST home fans who attend selected games, although I would still like to see categories abolished.
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Post by lordb on Feb 27, 2015 16:56:12 GMT
Personaly I would like a set price for all Premier League grounds for all away fans.
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Post by desman2 on Feb 27, 2015 17:04:07 GMT
And also to those who want to see a corner filled in then getting the 300 secured will go some way to helping that materialise in the future.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 27, 2015 17:08:46 GMT
Would've been a big shock if they wouldn't have maintained the freeze - but still commendable. We've got to take the lead on matchday prices now. A modest reduction there and we can be trailblazers. That's a great graphic, FM. It just reiterates the ever marginalised contribution of gate receipts to the overall revenue generated. Clubs can realistically cut matchday prices with little or no impact on the operations of the business. It's reaching a point where it can't really be ignored any longer. It'd be great if we could get in there first and lead the way, instead of reacting to others stealing the spotlight on this issue. Under the present media rights deals ( not the new 2016 domestic deal recently announced) PL clubs could afford to let every spectator in free to every PL game and still have as much income as they had under the previous media deals. You can't yet do the calculation for the next round, because they haven't yet announced the foreign rights, but even under the domestic rights just announced they could knock £40 off every ticket for every game and have as much money as they do at present ( itself a huge increase on the previous deal). In short, they have media money coming out of their ears to a breathtaking extent.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 27, 2015 17:09:54 GMT
Personaly I would like a set price for all Premier League grounds for all away fans. Yep, twenty's plenty ( or even a bit too much ! )
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Post by kustokie on Feb 27, 2015 17:24:13 GMT
As a big fan of stats and pictures that tell a thousand words I agree FullerMagic clearly shows the increasing relative importance of TV money. However, the 8 million for gate receipts is not chump change. Those 8 million pounds would cover the transfer fee of a very good player like Victor Moses (if previous posts turn out to be accurate).
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