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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 13:42:07 GMT
I think the Wrexham game sealed his fate. He looked ropey, immobile and convincingly beaten in a 1 on 1 battle with a lower league striker. Let's hope Wolschied suffers the same fete then eh? The lad that ripped him a new one at the weekend can't get in their side regularly and before Saturday had scored 7 goals in 100 games, making Mama look prolific in the process. King ripped all our defenders a new one not just Wolf
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 16, 2015 13:42:29 GMT
I was happy with Shawcross and Muniesa over the Christmas period. Right back is the area that needs addressing in the summer IMO. I would give Wilson more chances at right back!
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Post by countofmontecristo on Feb 16, 2015 13:45:07 GMT
Why do you think Mark Hughes has chosen to select Muniesa, Wilson, Cameron and Wollscheid alongside Shawcross over Huth at various times this season? I'll give you a simple answer to that question, Hughes likes his defenders to be able to play football to fit the new style,he also likes a balanced team. Huth's abilities represent a solid no nonsense defender. Wilson is a better footballer than Huth and he's also left footed. Muniesa is a better footballer than Huth and he's also left footed. Cameron is a better footballer than Huth. Wollschield is a better footballer than Huth. I agree with this in terms of footballing ability. The problem is though that when Shawcross is not available, none of the above are as good a DEFENDER as Huth! Hughes clearly doesn't fancy a Shawcross/Huth combo - but (if fit) Huth remains the 2nd best defender we have. No Huth or Shawcross (ie both out) and our defence seems distinctly Arsen*l
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Feb 16, 2015 13:49:18 GMT
Some folk have a serious problem of not letting go.
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Post by viewfrominside on Feb 16, 2015 13:53:36 GMT
Some folk have a serious problem of not letting go. no problem letting go mate but you don't sell a porsche to buy an audi if you don't need the money Huth & Shawcross as a pairing are tried and tested, play well together and understand each others game. This season Shawcross has had more partners than russell brand
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 14:05:23 GMT
Whilst I appreciate Hughes likes his defenders to play football we conceed far too many goals, Huth & Shawcross pairing is proven rock solid so we need to adjust our style to acomodate them as a pairing. Â Be that Muniesa or a better footballing holding midfieler who cancan collect the ball and distribute it well (sorry Glenn but that's not you) or better full backs, but that pairing needs to be in the back 4 next season at least until a certainty worthy replacement is found, preferably a ball playing central defender with pace Maybe we should get the manager out of retirement also.
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Post by viewfrominside on Feb 16, 2015 14:09:19 GMT
There is every chance of course if I am correct Hughes wanted to keep Huth around but Huth himself thinks he needs to play at this stage of his career instead of being stand in for Shawcross as and when needed and with the management agreeing he needs games off he goes to Leicester
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Post by viewfrominside on Feb 16, 2015 14:12:14 GMT
Whilst I appreciate Hughes likes his defenders to play football we conceed far too many goals, Huth & Shawcross pairing is proven rock solid so we need to adjust our style to acomodate them as a pairing. Be that Muniesa or a better footballing holding midfieler who cancan collect the ball and distribute it well (sorry Glenn but that's not you) or better full backs, but that pairing needs to be in the back 4 next season at least until a certainty worthy replacement is found, preferably a ball playing central defender with pace Maybe we should get the manager out of retirement also. By that logic Rory Delap had also retired after having an injury when he first joining us, we should of just paid his contract up and let him leave, eh? I can't remember if he got that injury whilst he was on loan or not but it's an example of an injury not being the end of a players career. Huth needs games and as far as I know there is nothing more concerning with Huth's fitness than that?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 14:13:07 GMT
Huth will be 31 years old next season and he already has the same turning circle as a elephant.
If the current crop can not handle it then we need to push the boat out and get a solid centre back who is a few years younger than Huth and has some more pace.
Muniesa and Ryan will do fine given a number of games together.
Obviously will not happen till next season seen as Muniesa has knackered his hammy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 14:14:44 GMT
Maybe we should get the manager out of retirement also. By that logic Rory Delap had also retired after having an injury when he first joining us, we should of just paid his contract up and let him leave, eh? I can't remember if he got that injury whilst he was on loan or not but it's an example of an injury not being the end of a players career. Huth needs games and as far as I know there is nothing more concerning with Huth's fitness than that? Huth´s best days are gone is the point of it all., we need a partner for Ryan on the way up not someone on the ay down.
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Post by viewfrominside on Feb 16, 2015 14:15:57 GMT
By that logic Rory Delap had also retired after having an injury when he first joining us, we should of just paid his contract up and let him leave, eh? I can't remember if he got that injury whilst he was on loan or not but it's an example of an injury not being the end of a players career. Huth needs games and as far as I know there is nothing more concerning with Huth's fitness than that? Huth´s best days are gone is the point of it all., we need a partner for Ryan on the way up not someone on the ay down. Huth has never been the quickest in running or turning so where is the change?
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Post by viewfrominside on Feb 16, 2015 14:17:00 GMT
Huth will be 31 years old next season and he already has the same turning circle as a elephant. If the current crop can not handle it then we need to push the boat out and get a solid centre back who is a few years younger than Huth and has some more pace. Muniesa and Ryan will do fine given a number of games together. Obviously will not happen till next season seen as Muniesa has knackered his hammy. I could understand it if he was 41, but 31? wtf
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Post by viewfrominside on Feb 16, 2015 14:18:16 GMT
Huth will be 31 years old next season and he already has the same turning circle as a elephant. If the current crop can not handle it then we need to push the boat out and get a solid centre back who is a few years younger than Huth and has some more pace. Muniesa and Ryan will do fine given a number of games together. Obviously will not happen till next season seen as Muniesa has knackered his hammy. Muniesa seems to pick up knocks quite easily, you need a settled back 2 not an injury prone central defender, imo
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 14:22:24 GMT
Huth will be 31 years old next season and he already has the same turning circle as a elephant. If the current crop can not handle it then we need to push the boat out and get a solid centre back who is a few years younger than Huth and has some more pace. Muniesa and Ryan will do fine given a number of games together. Obviously will not happen till next season seen as Muniesa has knackered his hammy. Muniesa seems to pick up knocks quite easily, you need a settled back 2 not an injury prone central defender, imo Could say the same for Huth.
Banned for talking shite on twitter, and injured all season.
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Post by thebet365 on Feb 16, 2015 14:22:54 GMT
The sooner Huth is sold the better, then I'll be able to stop reading posts from people pleading for him to come back fit.
He's not in Hughes plans, unless Hughes leaves we aren't going to see Huth again. I just hope he feels the same about Wollscheid soon and finds someone who can defend at least half as well as Huth plus be the footballer Hughes wants.
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Post by viewfrominside on Feb 16, 2015 14:29:00 GMT
Muniesa seems to pick up knocks quite easily, you need a settled back 2 not an injury prone central defender, imo Could say the same for Huth.
Banned for talking shite on twitter, and injured all season.
It's a good job Huth doesn't play football on twitter then...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 14:31:33 GMT
Anyway agree to disagree as it will never happen, like the other guy says Hughes like ball playing centre backs.
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Post by burberrybassist on Feb 16, 2015 14:50:32 GMT
People REALLY need to start giving Wollscheid a chance. The bloke has been well and truly chucked in the deepend. I don't think Hughes planned to have used him as a main starter for us when he signed him, as with most foreign signings you are best to sometimes bring them in gradually, to help them acclimatise to the Prem.
Wollscheid wasn't given that luxury, and since he has joined have we actually seen him play alongside anything but a threadbare, makeshift defence?
I really hope the boy comes good as he definitely has the makings of a top City player, just need a little patience as Take That would say..
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Post by blurtonboy on Feb 16, 2015 14:52:37 GMT
have his early career injuries finally caught up with him?
Before he joined us, the most games he played in a season in the prem was 24 in the 2008/09 season.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Feb 16, 2015 14:58:45 GMT
We have shipped 5,6 and 7 goals with Shawcross and Huth partnership
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Post by thebet365 on Feb 16, 2015 15:03:09 GMT
People REALLY need to start giving Wollscheid a chance. The bloke has been well and truly chucked in the deepend. I don't think Hughes planned to have used him as a main starter for us when he signed him, as with most foreign signings you are best to sometimes bring them in gradually, to help them acclimatise to the Prem. Wollscheid wasn't given that luxury, and since he has joined have we actually seen him play alongside anything but a threadbare, makeshift defence? I really hope the boy comes good as he definitely has the makings of a top City player, just need a little patience as Take That would say.. Saturday was 1 of the worst displays I've seen by any professional footballer, but putting that aside, taking into account everything that you say I would usually be more than willing to give him a chance, however what I REALLY don't like about him, which he showed against QPR and now Blackburn, is his willing to fall out with his team mates so quickly. I'm all for showing passion but it's been embarrassing watching him have a slanging match with Bardsley and Whelan.
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Post by burberrybassist on Feb 16, 2015 15:05:57 GMT
People REALLY need to start giving Wollscheid a chance. The bloke has been well and truly chucked in the deepend. I don't think Hughes planned to have used him as a main starter for us when he signed him, as with most foreign signings you are best to sometimes bring them in gradually, to help them acclimatise to the Prem. Wollscheid wasn't given that luxury, and since he has joined have we actually seen him play alongside anything but a threadbare, makeshift defence? I really hope the boy comes good as he definitely has the makings of a top City player, just need a little patience as Take That would say.. Saturday was 1 of the worst displays I've seen by any professional footballer, but putting that aside, taking into account everything that you say I would usually be more than willing to give him a chance, however what I REALLY don't like about him, which he showed against QPR and now Blackburn, is his willing to fall out with his team mates so quickly. I'm all for showing passion but it's been embarrassing watching him have a slanging match with Bardsley and Whelan. Yeah that's a good point mate, behaviour is something that can hopefully be monitored and changed you'd hope. I think once Shawcross is back and fighting fit he will hopefully keep Wolly in his place!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 16, 2015 15:14:35 GMT
Which hints at the possibility huth has been told he doesn't fit into the plans because of the style we intend to play? If that is the case, then I think the manager is wrong. There is room in every team, ours and England's included, for a defender who can defend. We've got one of those in Shawcross, but that aside, it does look as though Huth won't be playing for us again.
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Post by Onneravineet on Feb 16, 2015 15:26:44 GMT
Dear god ....Shall we get Faye back also ? One bad result and we get this bollicks .......you not see Huth v Wrexham then ? On this one I disagree with you. If Ryan did his cruciate tomorrow, when he returned in 12 months time, he would be put straight back into the team and given games to find his confidence, fitness and form. Robert Huth should have been given the same opportunity, especially when you consider that since his return to fitness, the players in front of him, generally, have been either crap (Wilson) or injured (Muniesa) themselves. If Huth proves his fitness at Leicester, then he should come back to Stoke and be a regular in our team next season. Will that happen? If he proves his fitness and still doesn't return, then it is a mistake in my opinion. Defenders should be able to defend. Anything else is a bonus. A fit Robert Huth is one of the best players in our squad. I swear Dave if you haven't just touched the biggest piece of wood after that second sentence and it happens you will be hunted down and suffer wrath not unlike that which the Blackburn Prince would rain down on you. We haven't had the best of luck this season. Take it back.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 16, 2015 15:52:47 GMT
Huth will never play for Stoke again as long as Hughes is manager imo.
Shawcross and Muni for me, even if Huth did have a future here.
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Post by Davef on Feb 16, 2015 16:01:57 GMT
We have shipped 5,6 and 7 goals with Shawcross and Huth partnership We have NEVER conceded 5, 6 or 7 goals with a Shawcross/Huth partnership in central defence. I know this pisses on your chances of getting a dig in at Ryan, but that's a fact.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 16:07:27 GMT
We have shipped 5,6 and 7 goals with Shawcross and Huth partnership We have NEVER conceded 5, 6 or 7 goals with a Shawcross/Huth partnership in central defence. I know this pisses on your chances of getting a dig in at Ryan, but that's a fact. Shawcross + Huth were playing in that 7-0 defeat to Chelsea.Ryan came on for Faye in the 9th minute
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Post by Davef on Feb 16, 2015 16:11:37 GMT
We have NEVER conceded 5, 6 or 7 goals with a Shawcross/Huth partnership in central defence. I know this pisses on your chances of getting a dig in at Ryan, but that's a fact. Shawcross + Huth were playing in that 7-0 defeat to Chelsea.Ryan came on for Faye in the 9th minute Apologies. One game then, at Stamford Bridge, in which Ryan didn't start and we had to replace our goalkeeper as well after half an hour. Incidentally, Chelsea won the league that season and scored 103 goals, including 7 in a game three times and 8 once.
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Post by viewfrominside on Feb 16, 2015 16:17:09 GMT
People REALLY need to start giving Wollscheid a chance. The bloke has been well and truly chucked in the deepend. I don't think Hughes planned to have used him as a main starter for us when he signed him, as with most foreign signings you are best to sometimes bring them in gradually, to help them acclimatise to the Prem. Wollscheid wasn't given that luxury, and since he has joined have we actually seen him play alongside anything but a threadbare, makeshift defence? I really hope the boy comes good as he definitely has the makings of a top City player, just need a little patience as Take That would say.. Thing is mate if he's that slow then he will soon be found out in the Premiership, the majority of teams have players with pace, Shawcross isn't the quickest so we can't have two centre halfs playing that have no pace, we'd be asking for trouble. If we intend to progress our game the next step would be to have better players so we can press high up the pitch and try to play the game in the opposistion half. A slow defence won't be able to achieve this. imo the step we need to take is bring back huth and in the summer find a quality footballing holding midfield player until we can find the centre half with pace and passing ability which is difficult enough in itself. Any team in the Premiership with a slow defence are sitting ducks if you ask me unless you plan on playing deep.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Feb 16, 2015 16:20:50 GMT
Shawcross + Huth were playing in that 7-0 defeat to Chelsea.Ryan came on for Faye in the 9th minute Apologies. One game then, at Stamford Bridge, in which Ryan didn't start and we had to replace our goalkeeper as well after half an hour. Incidentally, Chelsea won the league that season and scored 103 goals, including 7 in a game three times and 8 once. that's a real true FACT
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