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Post by viewfrominside on Feb 16, 2015 13:09:54 GMT
Whilst I appreciate Hughes likes his defenders to play football we conceed far too many goals, Huth & Shawcross pairing is proven rock solid so we need to adjust our style to acomodate them as a pairing. Be that Muniesa or a better footballing holding midfieler who cancan collect the ball and distribute it well (sorry Glenn but that's not you) or better full backs, but that pairing needs to be in the back 4 next season at least until a certainty worthy replacement is found, preferably a ball playing central defender with pace
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2015 13:10:42 GMT
I like Shawcross and Muniesa. Not sure I have seen a bad game featuring this pairing
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Post by werrington on Feb 16, 2015 13:12:28 GMT
Dear god ....Shall we get Faye back also ?
One bad result and we get this bollicks .......you not see Huth v Wrexham then ?
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Post by pez75 on Feb 16, 2015 13:13:28 GMT
Midfield is the problem, we need Whitehead back.
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Post by Gods on Feb 16, 2015 13:13:36 GMT
Just seeing the words "Huth & Shawcross in central defence" has sent a warm, comforting feeling corsing through my veins, like a snort of strong cooking brandy on a chill February morning  NOTE: Other central defensive combinations are available |
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 16, 2015 13:14:57 GMT
Dear god ....Shall we get Faye back also ? One bad result and we get this bollicks .......you not see Huth v Wrexham then ? If he builds his fitness up and performs well for Leicester (reports so far suggest he has done) until the end of the season then surely next season he has to be considered as a contender? |
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Post by metalhead on Feb 16, 2015 13:15:32 GMT
Midfield is the problem, we need Whitehead back. As one of the very few who thought Deano wasn't all that shit, I can't tell if you're joking or not  |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 16, 2015 13:16:43 GMT
Dear god ....Shall we get Faye back also ? One bad result and we get this bollicks .......you not see Huth v Wrexham then ? On this one I disagree with you. If Ryan did his cruciate tomorrow, when he returned in 12 months time, he would be put straight back into the team and given games to find his confidence, fitness and form. Robert Huth should have been given the same opportunity, especially when you consider that since his return to fitness, the players in front of him, generally, have been either crap (Wilson) or injured (Muniesa) themselves. If Huth proves his fitness at Leicester, then he should come back to Stoke and be a regular in our team next season. Will that happen? If he proves his fitness and still doesn't return, then it is a mistake in my opinion. Defenders should be able to defend. Anything else is a bonus. A fit Robert Huth is one of the best players in our squad. |
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Post by werrington on Feb 16, 2015 13:18:09 GMT
Dear god ....Shall we get Faye back also ? One bad result and we get this bollicks .......you not see Huth v Wrexham then ? If he builds his fitness up and performs well for Leicester (reports so far suggest he has done) until the end of the season then surely next season he has to be considered as a contender? Mate I love Robert Huth but the facts remain he's been around the squad virtually all season and has not been deemed good enough by the manager When he's played he's been average at best .....if he comes back then great but I'd say there's no chance of the old Huth returning Nostalgia gets you nothing |
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Post by metalhead on Feb 16, 2015 13:18:29 GMT
Dear god ....Shall we get Faye back also ? One bad result and we get this bollicks .......you not see Huth v Wrexham then ? On this one I disagree with you. If Ryan did his cruciate tomorrow, when he returned in 12 months time, he would be put straight back into the team and given games to find his confidence, fitness and form. Robert Huth should have been given the same opportunity, especially when you consider that since his return to fitness, the players in front of him, generally, have been either crap (Wilson) or injured (Muniesa) themselves. If Huth proves his fitness at Leicester, then he should come back to Stoke and be a regular in our team next season. Will that happen? If he proves his fitness and still doesn't return, then it is a mistake in my opinion. Defenders should be able to defend. Anything else is a bonus. A fit Robert Huth is one of the best players in our squad. I think the Wrexham game sealed his fate. He looked ropey, immobile and convincingly beaten in a 1 on 1 battle with a lower league striker. |
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Post by Davef on Feb 16, 2015 13:18:36 GMT
Why do you think Mark Hughes has chosen to select Muniesa, Wilson, Cameron and Wollscheid alongside Shawcross over Huth at various times this season?
The manager isn't an idiot, he clearly doesn't feel that Huth is ready to come into the team and if you're judging him at face value then this spell at Leicester will give us an idea whether or not he'll be up to the task next season.
Let's just wait and see how he goes on at Leicester.
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Post by viewfrominside on Feb 16, 2015 13:19:06 GMT
Dear god ....Shall we get Faye back also ? One bad result and we get this bollicks .......you not see Huth v Wrexham then ? No but i've seen us ship in 8 goals in 2 games |
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Post by werrington on Feb 16, 2015 13:19:30 GMT
Dear god ....Shall we get Faye back also ? One bad result and we get this bollicks .......you not see Huth v Wrexham then ? On this one I disagree with you. If Ryan did his cruciate tomorrow, when he returned in 12 months time, he would be put straight back into the team and given games to find his confidence, fitness and form. Robert Huth should have been given the same opportunity, especially when you consider that since his return to fitness, the players in front of him, generally, have been either crap (Wilson) or injured (Muniesa) themselves. If Huth proves his fitness at Leicester, then he should come back to Stoke and be a regular in our team next season. Will that happen? If he proves his fitness and still doesn't return, then it is a mistake in my opinion. Defenders should be able to defend. Anything else is a bonus. A fit Robert Huth is one of the best players in our squad. That's as maybe Dave but he's got to prove it The OP was pleading for it |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 16, 2015 13:20:19 GMT
On this one I disagree with you. If Ryan did his cruciate tomorrow, when he returned in 12 months time, he would be put straight back into the team and given games to find his confidence, fitness and form. Robert Huth should have been given the same opportunity, especially when you consider that since his return to fitness, the players in front of him, generally, have been either crap (Wilson) or injured (Muniesa) themselves. If Huth proves his fitness at Leicester, then he should come back to Stoke and be a regular in our team next season. Will that happen? If he proves his fitness and still doesn't return, then it is a mistake in my opinion. Defenders should be able to defend. Anything else is a bonus. A fit Robert Huth is one of the best players in our squad. I think the Wrexham game sealed his fate. He looked ropey, immobile and convincingly beaten in a 1 on 1 battle with a lower league striker. Let's hope Wolschied suffers the same fete then eh? The lad that ripped him a new one at the weekend can't get in their side regularly and before Saturday had scored 7 goals in 100 games, making Mama look prolific in the process. |
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Feb 16, 2015 13:21:32 GMT
Huth will not pull a Stoke shirt on again from what I've heard
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Post by metalhead on Feb 16, 2015 13:22:42 GMT
I think the Wrexham game sealed his fate. He looked ropey, immobile and convincingly beaten in a 1 on 1 battle with a lower league striker. Let's hope Wolschied suffers the same fete then eh? The lad that ripped him a new one at the weekend can't get in their side regularly and before Saturday had scored 7 goals in 100 games, making Mama look prolific in the process. Wolly deserves time. So did Huth but perhaps sparky saw something we didn't. Perhaps the Leicester move will benefit us if huth comes back fresh. It's a mistake in hindsight because we now have no defenders lol. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 16, 2015 13:22:55 GMT
Why do you think Mark Hughes has chosen to select Muniesa, Wilson, Cameron and Wollscheid alongside Shawcross over Huth at various times this season? The manager isn't an idiot, he clearly doesn't feel that Huth is ready to come into the team and if you're judging him at face value then this spell at Leicester will give us an idea whether or not he'll be up to the task next season. Let's just wait and see how he goes on at Leicester. I agree with this. He clearly wasn't going to get games with us so the loan to a fellow Premier League clubs gives the best chance of seeing Huth back at Stoke in the future. I do think he should have been given the games to prove whether he could return to the Huth of old though. Were Shawcross to get an injury that kept him out for 12 months, I'm pretty sure that once fit, he'd be back in the team and given games to see if he could return to previous levels. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 16, 2015 13:23:39 GMT
Huth will not pull a Stoke shirt on again from what I've heard Why though? Injury? Personality clash? Manager doesn't rate him? What have you heard? |
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Post by werrington on Feb 16, 2015 13:24:59 GMT
Dear god ....Shall we get Faye back also ? One bad result and we get this bollicks .......you not see Huth v Wrexham then ? No but i've seen us ship in 8 goals in 2 games Injury ravaged squad in both games totally irrelevant then Shall we just forget the season prior to the last 5 days ? |
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Feb 16, 2015 13:25:48 GMT
Huth will not pull a Stoke shirt on again from what I've heard Why though? Injury? Personality clash? Manager doesn't rate him? What have you heard? personality clash and doesn't rate him.Huth's tweet sort of Gave the game away also |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 16, 2015 13:27:18 GMT
Let's hope Wolschied suffers the same fete then eh? The lad that ripped him a new one at the weekend can't get in their side regularly and before Saturday had scored 7 goals in 100 games, making Mama look prolific in the process. Wolly deserves time. So did Huth but perhaps sparky saw something we didn't. Perhaps the Leicester move will benefit us if huth comes back fresh. It's a mistake in hindsight because we now have no defenders lol. He does deserve time but I don't like what I've seen so far, despite him being my MOM v Leicester and Newcastle. Strange then eh but the last 2 games have been a real concern, not because of his performances, which have been poor, but his attitude. Two games running he hasn't taken on board instruction and has reacted badly to perceived criticism from teammates. He is clearly a sensitive soul and to me, he looks like he'd be more suitable to Arsenal's team of pansies rather than our team of men! |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 16, 2015 13:29:11 GMT
Why though? Injury? Personality clash? Manager doesn't rate him? What have you heard? personality clash and doesn't rate him.Huth's tweet sort of Gave the game away also Huth's tweet certainly made it seem like he wouldn't be returning, particularly if we are talking of the same one. It didn't intimate to any professional or personal problems though, hence my interest in your comments. |
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Post by viewfrominside on Feb 16, 2015 13:29:32 GMT
Why do you think Mark Hughes has chosen to select Muniesa, Wilson, Cameron and Wollscheid alongside Shawcross over Huth at various times this season? I'll give you a simple answer to that question, Hughes likes his defenders to be able to play football to fit the new style,he also likes a balanced team. Huth's abilities represent a solid no nonsense defender. Wilson is a better footballer than Huth and he's also left footed. Muniesa is a better footballer than Huth and he's also left footed. Cameron is a better footballer than Huth. Wollschield is a better footballer than Huth. |
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Post by viewfrominside on Feb 16, 2015 13:30:55 GMT
personality clash and doesn't rate him.Huth's tweet sort of Gave the game away also Huth's tweet certainly made it seem like he wouldn't be returning, particularly if we are talking of the same one. It didn't intimate to any professional or personal problems though, hence my interest in your comments. Which hints at the possibility huth has been told he doesn't fit into the plans because of the style we intend to play? |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 16, 2015 13:33:24 GMT
On this one I disagree with you. If Ryan did his cruciate tomorrow, when he returned in 12 months time, he would be put straight back into the team and given games to find his confidence, fitness and form. Robert Huth should have been given the same opportunity, especially when you consider that since his return to fitness, the players in front of him, generally, have been either crap (Wilson) or injured (Muniesa) themselves. If Huth proves his fitness at Leicester, then he should come back to Stoke and be a regular in our team next season. Will that happen? If he proves his fitness and still doesn't return, then it is a mistake in my opinion. Defenders should be able to defend. Anything else is a bonus. A fit Robert Huth is one of the best players in our squad. That's as maybe Dave but he's got to prove it The OP was pleading for it I don't doubt that for a minute but given what other options we have, he should have been given that chance here and he hasn't been. Some may say that shows how far away he really is from being the Huth of old, others would point to all managers, good ones and bad ones, making totally unfathomable decisions for unexplained reasons. When Hughes has commented on the Huth situation it has always been along the lines of getting him fit so as to get him back with us. He said as much during the January transfer window. I'm taking those comments at face value at this moment in time and if Huth does prove that he's return to fitness during his spell at Leicester, then like the opening poster, I hope to god we start the next season with a centre back partnership of Huth and Shawcross. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 16, 2015 13:36:02 GMT
Huth's tweet certainly made it seem like he wouldn't be returning, particularly if we are talking of the same one. It didn't intimate to any professional or personal problems though, hence my interest in your comments. Which hints at the possibility huth has been told he doesn't fit into the plans because of the style we intend to play? If that is the case, then I think the manager is wrong. There is room in every team, ours and England's included, for a defender who can defend. |
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Post by viewfrominside on Feb 16, 2015 13:38:03 GMT
Which hints at the possibility huth has been told he doesn't fit into the plans because of the style we intend to play? If that is the case, then I think the manager is wrong. There is room in every team, ours and England's included, for a defender who can defend. Absolutely and hodgson is of the same mind set, that's why Cahill is a main stay because he's a good footballing defender |
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 16, 2015 13:39:24 GMT
Whilst I appreciate Hughes likes his defenders to play football we conceed far too many goals, Huth & Shawcross pairing is proven rock solid so we need to adjust our style to acomodate them as a pairing. Be that Muniesa or a better footballing holding midfieler who cancan collect the ball and distribute it well (sorry Glenn but that's not you) or better full backs, but that pairing needs to be in the back 4 next season at least until a certainty worthy replacement is found, preferably a ball playing central defender with pace My two sons and I have spoken a lot about trying Muni in that holding midfielder role. He seems to be very comfortable on the ball, is quicker than Whelan and better at tackling than Whelan too. A bit surprised MLH hasn't tried out this more.  |
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Post by unknown182 on Feb 16, 2015 13:40:25 GMT
I was happy with Shawcross and Muniesa over the Christmas period. Right back is the area that needs addressing in the summer IMO.
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Post by Davef on Feb 16, 2015 13:42:00 GMT
Why do you think Mark Hughes has chosen to select Muniesa, Wilson, Cameron and Wollscheid alongside Shawcross over Huth at various times this season? I'll give you a simple answer to that question, Hughes likes his defenders to be able to play football to fit the new style,he also likes a balanced team. Huth's abilities represent a solid no nonsense defender. Wilson is a better footballer than Huth and he's also left footed. Muniesa is a better footballer than Huth and he's also left footed. Cameron is a better footballer than Huth. Wollschield is a better footballer than Huth. You're completely ignoring the fact that Huth has missed virtually a year of first team football there. |
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