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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 14:09:57 GMT
The answer om as to why Friend didn't send Colbeck off is the key issue here and only the referee knows the true answer. I'm guessing he didn't think the tackle warranted being sent off, so he was placed in that awkward position by the laws of the game, so he did nothing. Regarding Charlie Adam I've no idea why he acted differently then, but one thing for sure is that he is not anti Stoke City. It didn't need to warrant a sending off, it needed to warrant a yellow card. The fact that he had already been booked was totally irrlevant and shouldn't have entered his head. He wasn't placed in awkward position he FAILED to apply the laws of the game. But as you say you are guessing, your post like most of them is a lot of flannel with very little substance......
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 9, 2015 14:10:19 GMT
Graham Poll on Talkshite in a min. Presume this will be main talking point.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Feb 9, 2015 14:11:13 GMT
The answer om as to why Friend didn't send Colbeck off is the key issue here and only the referee knows the true answer. I'm guessing he didn't think the tackle warranted being sent off, so he was placed in that awkward position by the laws of the game, so he did nothing. Regarding Charlie Adam I've no idea why he acted differently then, but one thing for sure is that he is not anti Stoke City. Players get sent off for removing their shirt if it's a second booking though. The rules say that is a booking too so you take your medicine. Colbeck was on a yellow and was late so deserved another one no matter what the ref may or may not think.
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Post by hereford on Feb 9, 2015 14:13:55 GMT
Kevin Friends record of two yellow cards in a premier league game since 01/01/2012 1/1/15 Hull v Everton Alcaraz 67/86 - away team. 1/11/14 Everton v swansea - Shelvey 24/72 min - away team. 12/5/13 Stoke v spurs - Adam 44/47. - home team 18/8/12 Reading v Stoke - Whitehead 18/89 - away team. 31/1/12 Swansea v chelsea - cole 45/86 - away team.
Mmmmm
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 14:19:45 GMT
Graham Poll on Talkshite in a min. Presume this will be main talking point. "The thing is Kevin has applied common sense and it's refreshing to see. People want to see 11 v 11....................."
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Post by KevinWhimper on Feb 9, 2015 14:21:08 GMT
Graham Poll on Talkshite in a min. Presume this will be main talking point. "The thing is Kevin has applied common sense and it's refreshing to see. People want to see 11 v 11....................." Jesus Christ what a load of shit.
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Post by Sfance on Feb 9, 2015 14:23:29 GMT
Of course refs are bribed. Sorry, this is the 21st century. Where's there's millions at stake, there's going to be skullduggery going on. Wake up. This game is no more than a vestige of what it used to be.
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Post by jezzascfc on Feb 9, 2015 14:24:25 GMT
I have rarely seen more of a cast iron yellow card than Colback's tackle on Moses - it is not common sense to not give it, but an abdication of his responsibility as an official paid to uphold the laws of the game.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 14:25:54 GMT
Graham Poll on Talkshite in a min. Presume this will be main talking point. "The thing is Kevin has applied common sense and it's refreshing to see. People want to see 11 v 11....................." And what would have happened if it had been a Stoke player instead of Colback ?
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Post by ukcstokie on Feb 9, 2015 14:31:27 GMT
I have rarely seen more of a cast iron yellow card than Colback's tackle on Moses - it is not common sense to not give it, but an abdication of his responsibility as an official paid to uphold the laws of the game. What about Gary Neville's on Matty Etherington?
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Post by oldpotter on Feb 9, 2015 14:32:55 GMT
Colbeck said himself,that he was lucky not be sent off.
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Post by onionman on Feb 9, 2015 14:41:34 GMT
The answer om as to why Friend didn't send Colbeck off is the key issue here and only the referee knows the true answer. I'm guessing he didn't think the tackle warranted being sent off, so he was placed in that awkward position by the laws of the game, so he did nothing. Regarding Charlie Adam I've no idea why he acted differently then, but one thing for sure is that he is not anti Stoke City. I don't think anyone is trying to oversimplify it by labelling him anti-Stoke. We're all quite sure he doesn't get up in the morning, stick a pin in his Stanley Matthews doll and plot the downfall of Mark Hughes. The argument is that, like most refs, his decision-making favours the bigger clubs. There's a clear reason for this: if you piss off the big clubs consistently enough, you don't climb the ladder; if you piss off the smaller clubs every single week, the authorities don't bat an eyelid. So if you want to progress as a referee, you know you must give the benefit of the doubt to the bigger club. Give them that extra bit of leniency that you wouldn't give to a smaller club. And hey if you piss off a little club like Stoke, you might even get praised for "showing common sense" (as we have seen today with Friend) or "standing up to the bullies" (as we saw with Michael Oliver a few weeks ago). This cowardly and self-serving decision-making process from Friend, Oliver and Anthony Taylor has blatantly worked against us this season, and countless times since we got promoted. EDIT: I didn't realise prestwichpotter was taking the piss, so I withdraw the bit about Friend being praised for showing common sense.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 14:41:58 GMT
"The thing is Kevin has applied common sense and it's refreshing to see. People want to see 11 v 11....................." Jesus Christ what a load of shit. That was me guessing by the way not quoting him
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Post by KevinWhimper on Feb 9, 2015 14:45:05 GMT
Jesus Christ what a load of shit. That was me guessing by the way not quoting him Haha fair play. My instinct tells me you're not a million miles away anyway.
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Post by Billybigbollox on Feb 9, 2015 14:54:54 GMT
The only suprise is that anyone's suprised at how Shite he is. They're all Shite!
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Feb 9, 2015 14:59:55 GMT
I think wingy the problem is with the laws i.e. two yellow cards and the player is off. How many times do you see a referee book a player for a relatively minor foul and then on the same players second offence hesitate and not book the player because he knows it becomes a sending off. I would like to see a player who is given two yellow cards remain on the pitch but to get the same ban as a sending off. In the game yesterday Colbeck, within the current laws, should have been sent off. A sending off in reality hands the game to the side with 11 players, so such decisions need to be for really serious foul play. what absolute horseshit Colbacks chanllenges yesterday first one, late, high, studs up Second one, from behind, late, both feet off the ground. Bookings and the resultant prospect of a red card are there specifical to stop this type of of challenge, if the rules were changed so you were perfectly fine to get away with two without the prospect of a sending off we really would be in a shambles.
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Post by MrMagic on Feb 9, 2015 15:04:09 GMT
Mark Halseys response to my questioning Friends decision on Twitter
@refereehalsey: @matts1970 @kiccafootball yes the 2nd challenge was worthy of a yellow Kevin put himself in jail on 1st yellow he should of managed that 1
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Feb 9, 2015 15:06:00 GMT
Mark Halseys response to my questioning Friends decision on Twitter @refereehalsey: @matts1970 @kiccafootball yes the 2nd challenge was worthy of a yellow Kevin put himself in jail on 1st yellow he should of managed that 1 Still trying to work out why Colbeck's first may be considered anything but a booking? We get them!
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 9, 2015 15:16:05 GMT
It's fucking ColBACK not Colbeck.
That's all from me.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Feb 9, 2015 15:17:13 GMT
It's fucking ColBACK not Colbeck. That's all from me. Haha fair enough. He's still a lucky fucker whatever the twat's name is! If it had been Adams it would have been a second yellow.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Feb 9, 2015 16:33:55 GMT
Kevin Friends record of two yellow cards in a premier league game since 01/01/2012 1/1/15 Hull v Everton Alcaraz 67/86 - away team. 1/11/14 Everton v swansea - Shelvey 24/72 min - away team. 12/5/13 Stoke v spurs - Adam 44/47. - home team 18/8/12 Reading v Stoke - Whitehead 18/89 - away team. 31/1/12 Swansea v chelsea - cole 45/86 - away team. Mmmmm If correct that does suggest bias, does it not. The way he was pulling the cards on us early doors suggests the list should be much longer though. However, of course, it could also suggest that he is all gung ho with the first card, then regularly bottles the second. Either way, he is managing the course of the game. There just has to be consistency, and Friend is not fit for purpose.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 9, 2015 16:38:09 GMT
It's fucking ColBACK not Colbeck. That's all from me. Haha fair enough. He's still a lucky fucker whatever the twat's name is! If it had been Adams it would have been a second yellow.
You weren't the only one. I'd already started typing that before your last post, I wasn't just being an instantly angry bastard.
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Post by Gods on Feb 9, 2015 16:38:25 GMT
Graham Poll on Talkshite in a min. Presume this will be main talking point. "The thing is Kevin has applied common sense and it's refreshing to see. People want to see 11 v 11....................." Well in fairness last time we flogged up there we saw 11 v 9 so on that basis 10 v 11 this would not have been too bad
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Post by adamsson on Feb 9, 2015 16:54:44 GMT
It's fucking ColBACK not Colbeck. That's all from me. Haha fair enough. He's still a lucky fucker whatever the twat's name is! If it had been Adams it would have been a second yellow. It's fucking ADAM, CHARLIE fucking ADAM singular not Adams but yes he would have got a second yellow or may be a straight red
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Post by tuum on Feb 9, 2015 16:56:56 GMT
The tackles we made were get stuck in sort of tackles; we're always going to risk getting booked if we do; what annoys me is the girlie way the castle players went down 'easily' looking for free kicks (like qpr last week) and the refs buy them; they don't stand up and say stop it or punish them for diving; we lose out because we don't stoop to that level, but I think if the other team starts it, we should; how many times do you see a ref book one player and then even it up by booking someone from the other team? Just think, our fans have travelled there and paid good money and they are being cheated - by the ref, by the opposition - we have to make sure we even it up. Why should we risk being relegated by cheating other teams? ..but we do stoop to that level and quite regularly. Bardsley and Diouf are serial offenders.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 16:59:48 GMT
to be completely fair......we somehow got a free kick for Diouf blatantly diving which he could deservedly have been booked for! was utterly embarrassing to see one of our players doing that!!!
funny how we only seem to slag off the ref yet give them no credit when our players get away with things......
completely agree that Colback should have gone tho
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 17:06:39 GMT
I have rarely seen more of a cast iron yellow card than Colback's tackle on Moses - it is not common sense to not give it, but an abdication of his responsibility as an official paid to uphold the laws of the game. What about Gary Neville's on Matty Etherington? Our Graham says, no room for common sense there. Consistent, these refs. Just eight minutes later the United veteran wiped out the rampaging Etherington by going to ground too early. As the winger flew through the air Neville ran away to take up his defensive position. The look on his face and his body language told that he expected to be called to Marriner for his second yellow card. Incredibly Marriner failed to take the correct action. Was he, as some observers like, showing common sense and keeping the game balanced? Well if he was, then he was wrong.
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Post by 2004 on Feb 9, 2015 17:11:22 GMT
Refs are spineless, corrupt shite wankers. I do like Lee Mason though
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Post by Billybigbollox on Feb 9, 2015 17:17:35 GMT
Refs are spineless, corrupt shite wankers. I do like Lee Mason though So does Joe, but he's Shite like the rest. (Mason not Joe)
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Post by march4 on Feb 9, 2015 17:50:54 GMT
Referees seem to act as though they are scared of criticism in the papers/TV/radio.
That criticism is strongest when they make controversial decisions against big clubs.
A ref could send off all 11 Stoke players plus the subs, management, directors and half the supporters and it wouldn't warrant more than half a line in most newspapers.
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