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Post by sarniastokie on Feb 8, 2015 19:50:53 GMT
It's no wonder Mike Ashley doesn't spend money on his team anymore.Why bother when you can buy the fucking ref.
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Post by stokiejoe on Feb 8, 2015 19:59:00 GMT
In my lifetime we seem to have gone from having referees who were highly regarded throughout the world to some real rubbish. I cannot actually name a referee I would want to referee our games, which is sad. To be fair their every decision is analysed in detail but it is not those that cause the trouble; most of us accept that a split second decision can sometimes be wrong or doubtful but it isn't those that cause me problems, it's the real howlers that appear in match after match; the inconsistency and the lack of ownership for their bad decisions. Managers have to face up to the press after the game but refs, who are full time professionals, don't. Their game is assessed but no details are published. It is time they faced the reaj world and I ammore than happy that they should have the benefit of technology. We have a fourth official who in reality does very little. maybe we need a video ref instead who can be in communication with the ref. The slo-mo replays are pretty instant these days and from various angles; a small price to pay to avoid incorrect game changing decisions.
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Post by ukcstokie on Feb 8, 2015 20:45:35 GMT
How was that tackle from colback any different to what Ireland got booked for? Ireland won the ball. Colbeck didn't.
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Post by sportsman on Feb 8, 2015 20:50:52 GMT
Why would he no do his job when he knows now he will be marked down for it and miss the next prem games no doubt. His hatred of us must run very deep for him to risk that.
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Post by march4 on Feb 8, 2015 20:51:38 GMT
Dreadful refereeing performance!
And then an hour later, you see van Persie quite deliberately elbow a player in the face and not even get a yellow card.
Refereeing in England is at the worst I can remember.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Feb 8, 2015 20:54:05 GMT
Dreadful refereeing performance! And then an hour later, you see van Persie quite deliberately elbow a player in the face and not even get a yellow card. Refereeing in England is at the worst I can remember. It really is, mate. And to think they pay these idiots serious sums of money now. The standard was better when it was reffed by headmasters and policeman! This current lot love the limelight too much and want to befriend the top stars.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 8, 2015 21:10:18 GMT
Dreadful refereeing performance! And then an hour later, you see van Persie quite deliberately elbow a player in the face and not even get a yellow card. Refereeing in England is at the worst I can remember. According to mike Reilly it is actually the complete opposite.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Feb 8, 2015 21:11:44 GMT
Dreadful refereeing performance! And then an hour later, you see van Persie quite deliberately elbow a player in the face and not even get a yellow card. Refereeing in England is at the worst I can remember. According to mike Reilly it is actually the complete opposite. And what a spunk bubble of a ref, Riley was!
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Post by march4 on Feb 8, 2015 21:15:58 GMT
Dreadful refereeing performance! And then an hour later, you see van Persie quite deliberately elbow a player in the face and not even get a yellow card. Refereeing in England is at the worst I can remember. According to mike Reilly it is actually the complete opposite. I'm older than Reilly, so I've seen a greater range of games. I'm convinced refereeing is worse than ever before.
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Post by Miles Offside on Feb 8, 2015 21:21:02 GMT
Nowhere near the standard of refereeing required for the Premier League, or pub football.
None of our three yellow cards were justified. I'm not sure they even warranted free kicks.
And the ginger bloke who put them in the lead shouldn't have been on the pitch.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 8, 2015 21:29:28 GMT
Then Clattenburg sends Shaw off for two bookable offences but Friend doesn't. The inconsistency is bordering on incompetence.
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Post by Davef on Feb 8, 2015 21:33:49 GMT
The size, importance and wealth of the Premier League has turned people like Friend, Atkinson, Clattenberg and Marriner into celebrities in their own right.
It really is about time they were interviewed after games and asked to explain their decisions.
Yeah, referees mistakes and it would give them the opportunity to hold their hands up and admit to them, but if they knew they were going to be put on the spot, my guess is they'd think twice about bottling decisions like that one today.
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Post by sportsman on Feb 8, 2015 21:34:37 GMT
Their 'consistency' goes out of the window when the media come out with things like the ref did well today as he let things go as it's a derby or top of the table clash and the stakes are high. we and others play like that in most games but get pulled up for it. For us all games are big games.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 8, 2015 21:36:43 GMT
According to mike Reilly it is actually the complete opposite. I'm older than Reilly, so I've seen a greater range of games. I'm convinced refereeing is worse than ever before. I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm merely pointing out that the referees chief thinks this current crop are better than ever.
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Post by armitagestokie on Feb 8, 2015 21:58:41 GMT
Shocking inconsistent ref. FA needs a word so he can miss a few Prem games. Colback should have walked and a different game / result would have emerged.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2015 22:07:21 GMT
I'm loosing faith in refs atm, one poor display after another, I have always enjoyed singing " who's the bastard in the black" in years gone by but todays refs deserve so much more than that some are a disgrace and should be sacked.
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Post by capto on Feb 8, 2015 22:24:12 GMT
The tackles we made were get stuck in sort of tackles; we're always going to risk getting booked if we do; what annoys me is the girlie way the castle players went down 'easily' looking for free kicks (like qpr last week) and the refs buy them; they don't stand up and say stop it or punish them for diving; we lose out because we don't stoop to that level, but I think if the other team starts it, we should; how many times do you see a ref book one player and then even it up by booking someone from the other team? Just think, our fans have travelled there and paid good money and they are being cheated - by the ref, by the opposition - we have to make sure we even it up. Why should we risk being relegated by cheating other teams?
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Post by wearepremierleague on Feb 8, 2015 22:30:22 GMT
Pretty sure In the build up to the goal he blocks Nzonzi from intercepting the ball too. That performance today was a joke.
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Post by matelot1996 on Feb 8, 2015 22:56:06 GMT
I get that refs are human and they're going to make honest mistakes, but this wasn't an honest mistake. Friend saw what Colback did and made a conscious decision not to apply the laws of the game. Whether he didn't want to upset the Newcastle fans, didn't want to upset Colback or didn't want the game to be spoiled is irrelevant. He deliberately misapplied the rules to the advantage of one team over another, and as such is a cheat. Completely agree. My old man is a local Ref and fails to acknowledge any possibility of bias from any referee, ever. Although I feel he is himself biased towards the refereeing fraternity I would say he is naive. Your point is extremely valid. Kevin Friend saw the incident clearly, he DID NOT apply the correct rules to the incident and therefore has cheated the side which would have gained the advantage from the correct decision, ie Stoke. Therefore he is a cheating, corrupt, bent, mother fucking whore and long may his indiscretions come back to fucking haunt him. Just for the record, these incidents do not even themselves out over the course of the season.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Feb 8, 2015 22:59:43 GMT
Pretty sure In the build up to the goal he blocks Nzonzi from intercepting the ball too. That performance today was a joke. Yes! I reckon Nzonzi would have won that had he got to it a split second earlier. Awful refereeing performance. Another one to add to the shit list if he wasn't already on it.
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Post by ST5-POTTER on Feb 8, 2015 23:06:59 GMT
All the refs are wank
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Post by Fred Ferret on Feb 8, 2015 23:14:37 GMT
Freind's abject incompetence today should be rewarded with a relegation to the Conference league.
Total fukwit. I wonder if he'll get paid for that.
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Post by Gods on Feb 9, 2015 9:56:02 GMT
No 'Friend' of mineI am never sure what goes and what doesn't go these days with regard to post match comments but I can only imagine Sparky's ref not "brave" enough observation will have struck a very raw nerve with Mr. Friend and the referees club. One thing to say he made a mistake but to call his entire masculinity in to question especially when it was indeed so patently the case that he bottled it is not going to sit well I would have thought
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 10:11:06 GMT
Well said Mark. I'd like to hear what he really thinks of the situation though. It was another in a long list of refereeing decisions that confirms that they are bent as fuck.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 9, 2015 10:21:36 GMT
"Brave".
I'd actually say he was quite brave, after flagrantly not applying the rules of the game he's paid to officiate for.
I suspect Sparky really wants to say how much he'd like to perform a living autopsy on Friend, but of course that's "Questioning the integrity of referees" and would land him a 67,000 match ban and a fine large enough to leave him homeless.
Every unexplainable, baffling decisions like that from referees should cost them a portion of their match fee for every shit decision, standards would mysteriously improve.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 9, 2015 10:23:34 GMT
A couple of papers seem to suggest he will 'get done' by The FA. Can't see it myself, thinly veiled but cleverly worded attack of an absolute coward.
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Feb 9, 2015 10:26:52 GMT
and we used to think Graham Poll was shit..oh for a Pat Partridge or Clive Thomas nowadays.
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Feb 9, 2015 10:34:07 GMT
Ex Referee Jeff Winters opinion.
Mike Riley has always been a weak man; he was a functional referee, to the book but lacked any charisma or personality. He was an ideal choice to be the Ref's manager because he would do as he was told and not stir any waves. Just what the authorities wanted.
In much the same way as a Clough, Allardyce or Redknapp was never ever going to manage the England team then a Poll, Halsey or Winter was never going to manage the Refs.
I don't know what is going on at present. There is a total lack of confidence with some Refs and some are clearly not up to the standard on current form. It's embarrassing to hear Riley spout rubbish when he should be helping and managing the group more effectively.
Hackett was part of the system that helped create the current situation so it's somewhat strange that he now is slagging off Refs that he was instrumental in promoting and managing. In my day there were 10-12 Refs who could be trusted to officiate any of our highest profile games now it's half that number. We have two Refs in their mid fifties with no one deemed good enough to replace them.
There hasn't been any real forward planning in the last 15 years and now we are paying the price. I don't see any solution on the horizon and the FA /PGMOL just won't support the officials and be positive in strong refereeing as they are scared to upset the big clubs.
Refs will never be popular, it goes with the territory and they are human so will always make mistakes. Their job is all the more difficult with players out to win at all costs and constantly conning and cheating throughout games. That us where the authorities must step in. It's not rocket science, retrospective bans for diving. Treat the on field cheats are firmly a they do the tweeters and the Refs' jobs will become easier.
I have long advocated for sun bins to mete out instant punishments, independant timekeeping and ten yard advancements for dissent. All would help the game and officials. It won't eradicate all the wrongs but it would be a massive step in the right direction.
Refereeing isn't totally impossible in the current climate it just requires strong characters who officiate fairly within the laws of the game to be backed up by the authorities. It's no different to the law of the land, the role of the policeman is pointless unless the courts deal with offenders in a manner that not only punishes but also acts as a deterrent. Football has created a cosy, jobs for the boys regime in refereeing and the high salaries that they are on means that no one wants to rock the boat and jeapodise their careers and incomes.
I'm often asked if I miss refereeing, of course I miss the involvement of match days, the training and banter and being fit enough to keep up with play. The politics etc I am well rid of. To be honest with every word you say being monitored, the art of man management is a thing of the past. Myself and others like me wouldn't last five minutes in the modern game.
Having been part of the profession for 25 years it saddens me to see what has been allowed to happen. Perhaps Howard Webb might be allowed to have more influence as he has the respect of the referees but unfortunately those above him have the power and they don't want radical thinking that might upset the precious big clubs. Sadly It will get worse before it gets better.
Best wishes
Jeff Winter
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Feb 9, 2015 10:43:36 GMT
A couple of papers seem to suggest he will 'get done' by The FA. Can't see it myself, thinly veiled but cleverly worded attack of an absolute coward. If Hughes gets reprimanded for that he may as well come out and say exactly what he thinks. Then it would be worth it. The ref should be asked just one question: "Were you scared or are you a cheat?" Sent from my GT-I8190N using proboards
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Post by jarvinski on Feb 9, 2015 10:43:42 GMT
95% of premier league are incapable of doing their jobs, but they must be answerable to someone, we've got the best league in the world refereed by shocking officials, and it must come to an end soon, as we could be the laughing stock of the world, if anyone referees as badly as friend did yesterday, give him a 6 week ban and sentence him to the conference
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