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Post by upthefud on Feb 2, 2015 2:06:49 GMT
£2m Walters £2.5m Arnie. If I'm wrong please correct me 2.75m Walters 2m Arnie I disagree with that but I don't have proof, genuinely thought Walters was cheaper if you're correct... I still think you're bang out of order for suggesting I don't like Arnie because he isn't a Pulis player. I don't rate him as a player and his assist and goal stats back that up
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Post by bmstoke on Feb 2, 2015 2:13:19 GMT
Arnie tries things and sometimes they don't come off so he gets down on himself. He's the complete opposite of the lazy waster who doesn't care that some on here try to make out.
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Post by upthefud on Feb 2, 2015 2:53:07 GMT
Arnie tries things and sometimes they don't come off so he gets down on himself. He's the complete opposite of the lazy waster who doesn't care that some on here try to make out. He's a professional footballer not 6 years old. We all make mistakes at work it's about picking yourself up and not moping
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Post by Binndy on Feb 2, 2015 6:48:08 GMT
Marko likes to try to be creative and then get really frustrated with himself when he messes up. His defensive work is fine and he does put in plenty of energy.
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Post by kurt on Feb 2, 2015 7:37:10 GMT
You've missed my point: Some posters just can't see what Arnie does. A 26 yard pass for a goal is turned into an easy 7 yard pass. When your view of him is so skewed then how can you hope to be taken seriously? I gave him plenty of credit at the end of last season, and I have him even more stick last season than I have this before March. No goals, one assist. Some people just refuse to see that he's not contributing Last season with the most assists of the club and he also leads the assist-table in this season (League and Cup)...so what´s your problem?? What about the goals where Arni contributes with intelligent passing (Leicester-goal for example)? To say, that he´s not contributing is bullshit. If he further gets his chance you will find him at the end of the season on top concerning assists, believe me. It´s a pity that our forwards were not able to finish his excellent crosses against ManU. It´s not the problem that "some people refuse to see that he´s not contributing", the problem is that you and a handful other user persistenly ignore, what he contributes each game....also apart from scoring goals, there are many things if you intently watch him (very good short term passing; maintaining many balls with his strong body; where other players would loose the ball, excellent technique,...). (look at assists) www.stokecityfc.com/stats/player-stats/But there is one question you (and some others) should ask yourself: Is Stoke City better, since Arni has joined the club, or not?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 7:54:09 GMT
I gave him plenty of credit at the end of last season, and I have him even more stick last season than I have this before March. No goals, one assist. Some people just refuse to see that he's not contributing Last season with the most assists of the club and he also leads the assist-table in this season (League and Cup)...so what´s your problem?? What about the goals where Arni contributes with intelligent passing (Leicester-goal for example)? To say, that he´s not contributing is bullshit. If he further get´s his chance you will find him at the end of the season on top concerning assists, believe me. It´s a pity that our forwards were not able to finish his excellent crosses against ManU. It´s not the problem that "some people refuse to see that he´s not contributing", the problem is that you and a handful other user persistenly ignore, what he contributes each game....also apart from scoring goals, there are many things if you intently watch him (very good short term passing; maintaining many balls with his strong body; where other players would loose the ball, excellent technique,...). (look at assists) www.stokecityfc.com/stats/player-stats/But there is one question you (and some others) should ask yourself: Is Stoke City better, since Arni has joined the club, or not?Well done Kurt. This is a fine example of hitting an agenda for 6. Well batted sir.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 2, 2015 7:58:09 GMT
I gave him plenty of credit at the end of last season, and I have him even more stick last season than I have this before March. No goals, one assist. Some people just refuse to see that he's not contributing Last season with the most assists of the club and he also leads the assist-table in this season (League and Cup)...so what´s your problem?? What about the goals where Arni contributes with intelligent passing (Leicester-goal for example)? To say, that he´s not contributing is bullshit. If he further get´s his chance you will find him at the end of the season on top concerning assists, believe me. It´s a pity that our forwards were not able to finish his excellent crosses against ManU. It´s not the problem that "some people refuse to see that he´s not contributing", the problem is that you and a handful other user persistenly ignore, what he contributes each game....also apart from scoring goals, there are many things if you intently watch him (very good short term passing; maintaining many balls with his strong body; where other players would loose the ball, excellent technique,...). (look at assists) www.stokecityfc.com/stats/player-stats/But there is one question you (and some others) should ask yourself: Is Stoke City better, since Arni has joined the club, or not?
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Feb 2, 2015 9:02:22 GMT
I find it quite odd that people would be willing to forgive Moses for not tracking back at all, if what he offered at the other end of the pitch made up for that.
However, I'm sure if Arnie didn't have to track back, and sat on the wing when the opposition full back bombs forward, that he too would get more goals and assists as a result of the extra space and energy reserve. Although you then get goals scored against us like the equaliser from west ham, where moses just let his man run past him.
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Post by Will_75 on Feb 2, 2015 9:23:07 GMT
Last season with the most assists of the club and he also leads the assist-table in this season (League and Cup)...so what´s your problem?? What about the goals where Arni contributes with intelligent passing (Leicester-goal for example)? To say, that he´s not contributing is bullshit. If he further get´s his chance you will find him at the end of the season on top concerning assists, believe me. It´s a pity that our forwards were not able to finish his excellent crosses against ManU. It´s not the problem that "some people refuse to see that he´s not contributing", the problem is that you and a handful other user persistenly ignore, what he contributes each game....also apart from scoring goals, there are many things if you intently watch him (very good short term passing; maintaining many balls with his strong body; where other players would loose the ball, excellent technique,...). (look at assists) www.stokecityfc.com/stats/player-stats/But there is one question you (and some others) should ask yourself: Is Stoke City better, since Arni has joined the club, or not?
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Great post.
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Post by pavel on Feb 2, 2015 9:42:18 GMT
Kurt, spot on but if people DON'T want to see it, they never will. Contrary to a few views on this board, Arnie is a team player who puts in a tremendous shift both defensively and in attack and helps to make us tick and we are a better team when he is on the pitch. As for seven yard simple passes, well that sort of comment beggars belief when someone puts a cross in from the wing right on the button at full pace and in the 93rd minute of a game. Yes we would expect, as fans, a winger to do it every time, the reality is they don't because it's not that simple in the real world
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Post by kurt on Feb 2, 2015 9:47:32 GMT
Kurt, spot on but if people DON'T want to see it, they never will. Contrary to a few views on this board, Arnie is a team player who puts in a tremendous shift both defensively and in attack and helps to make us tick and we are a better team when he is on the pitch. As for seven yard simple passes, well that sort of comment beggars belief when someone puts a cross in from the wing right on the button at full pace and in the 93rd minute of a game. Yes we would expect, as fans, a winger to do it every time, the reality is they don't because it's not that simple in the real world Enough said. ...for the rest of your comment
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Post by RAF on Feb 2, 2015 9:58:46 GMT
I gave him plenty of credit at the end of last season, and I have him even more stick last season than I have this before March. No goals, one assist. Some people just refuse to see that he's not contributing Last season with the most assists of the club and he also leads the assist-table in this season (League and Cup)...so what´s your problem?? What about the goals where Arni contributes with intelligent passing (Leicester-goal for example)? To say, that he´s not contributing is bullshit. If he further gets his chance you will find him at the end of the season on top concerning assists, believe me. It´s a pity that our forwards were not able to finish his excellent crosses against ManU. It´s not the problem that "some people refuse to see that he´s not contributing", the problem is that you and a handful other user persistenly ignore, what he contributes each game....also apart from scoring goals, there are many things if you intently watch him (very good short term passing; maintaining many balls with his strong body; where other players would loose the ball, excellent technique,...). (look at assists) www.stokecityfc.com/stats/player-stats/But there is one question you (and some others) should ask yourself: Is Stoke City better, since Arni has joined the club, or not?Twatted! ? H
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Post by ukcstokie on Feb 2, 2015 9:59:17 GMT
I find it very sad that we have a bunch of 'fans' who despite starting posts with "I really like Arnie ...but" (yes of course you do), seem to have an inner hate for Arnie.
In this thread some of their myths about Arnie have been pretty well debunked, but it really doesn't matter about the facts about Arnie, they hate him and will continue to push the same lies until he goes.
Let's just hound decent footballers out of club. That will make us better.
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Post by jstoke7 on Feb 2, 2015 10:06:57 GMT
I gave him plenty of credit at the end of last season, and I have him even more stick last season than I have this before March. No goals, one assist. Some people just refuse to see that he's not contributing Last season with the most assists of the club and he also leads the assist-table in this season (League and Cup)...so what´s your problem?? What about the goals where Arni contributes with intelligent passing (Leicester-goal for example)? To say, that he´s not contributing is bullshit. If he further gets his chance you will find him at the end of the season on top concerning assists, believe me. It´s a pity that our forwards were not able to finish his excellent crosses against ManU. It´s not the problem that "some people refuse to see that he´s not contributing", the problem is that you and a handful other user persistenly ignore, what he contributes each game....also apart from scoring goals, there are many things if you intently watch him (very good short term passing; maintaining many balls with his strong body; where other players would loose the ball, excellent technique,...). (look at assists) www.stokecityfc.com/stats/player-stats/But there is one question you (and some others) should ask yourself: Is Stoke City better, since Arni has joined the club, or not?Spot on!
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Post by Gods on Feb 2, 2015 10:36:43 GMT
I think it is part of Arnie's style of play to look somewhat disengaged off the ball and indeed even when it is coming to him, to trick the opposition in to thinking they don't need to close mark him, when the ball arrives he has great ability and strength to bring it under control and he explodes in to life.
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Post by stokiejoe on Feb 2, 2015 10:46:14 GMT
Brilliant post kurt, sums it up exactly. Arnie is very underated, he's not disintrested he just gets annoyed with himself, he sets himself high standards.
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Post by huddy on Feb 2, 2015 10:52:36 GMT
No problem with his body language or work rate .The reason he gets annoyed with himself as I do is that his end product is awful.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 10:53:19 GMT
No problem with his body language or work rate .The reason he gets annoyed with himself as I do is that his end product is awful.
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Post by thebet365 on Feb 2, 2015 11:00:36 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Feb 2, 2015 11:23:10 GMT
I had to laugh at all the posts above. Lots of back slapping and bumming going on.
Walters is our top premier league goal scorer yet some of you would have him dropped. Can we call that an agenda or short memories?
Marko Armautovic is a right winger. Even Peter Kopteff assisted and scored against the sort of teams like Portsmouth, Wrexham and Rochdale
You go on about a ball vs a Man Utd, what about the chance missed at Leicester? At 0-0 that could have cost us! How about vs Liverpool when The Lord of tracking back let Glenn Johnson waddle past to steal 3 points.
Ask yourself why the unbiased observers (the commentators) regularly pick out Arnie. Hull away he was ridiculed, vs Rochdale the BBC report picked up on his attitude.
He was excellent at the back end of last season but he's been poor for the rest of his Stoke career.
Stoke City are in a better place now yes. Ask yourself this. Were Stoke City in a better place before or after Sonko signed? Ask yourself this. Why is Highes prioritising a right side winger?
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 2, 2015 11:28:33 GMT
I had to laugh at all the posts above. Lots of back slapping and bumming going on. Walters is our top premier league goal scorer yet some of you would have him dropped. Can we call that an agenda or short memories? Marko Armautovic is a right winger. Even Peter Kopteff assisted and scored against the sort of teams like Portsmouth, Wrexham and Rochdale You go on about a ball vs a Man Utd, what about the chance missed at Leicester? At 0-0 that could have cost us! How about vs Liverpool when The Lord of tracking back let Glenn Johnson waddle past to steal 3 points. Ask yourself why the unbiased observers (the commentators) regularly pick out Arnie. Hull away he was ridiculed, vs Rochdale the BBC report picked up on his attitude. He was excellent at the back end of last season but he's been poor for the rest of his Stoke career. Stoke City are in a better place now yes. Ask yourself this. Were Stoke City in a better place before or after Sonko signed? Ask yourself this. Why is Highes prioritising a right side winger?
Your opinions have been debunked by facts. Deal with it.
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Post by upthefud on Feb 2, 2015 11:32:36 GMT
I had to laugh at all the posts above. Lots of back slapping and bumming going on. Walters is our top premier league goal scorer yet some of you would have him dropped. Can we call that an agenda or short memories? Marko Armautovic is a right winger. Even Peter Kopteff assisted and scored against the sort of teams like Portsmouth, Wrexham and Rochdale You go on about a ball vs a Man Utd, what about the chance missed at Leicester? At 0-0 that could have cost us! How about vs Liverpool when The Lord of tracking back let Glenn Johnson waddle past to steal 3 points. Ask yourself why the unbiased observers (the commentators) regularly pick out Arnie. Hull away he was ridiculed, vs Rochdale the BBC report picked up on his attitude. He was excellent at the back end of last season but he's been poor for the rest of his Stoke career. Stoke City are in a better place now yes. Ask yourself this. Were Stoke City in a better place before or after Sonko signed? Ask yourself this. Why is Highes prioritising a right side winger?
Your opinions have been debunked by facts. Deal with it.
Except they haven't, have they? Those stats show he's got one league assist to his name, and I don't think he contributes enough in games to warrant his place
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Post by crownmeking on Feb 2, 2015 11:36:46 GMT
Your opinions have been debunked by facts. Deal with it.
Except they haven't, have they? Those stats show he's got one league assist to his name, and I don't think he contributes enough in games to warrant his place Yes, your shitty opinions, hiding your agenda have been debunked by facts, you are embarrassing yourself here owd.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 11:38:39 GMT
I had to laugh at all the posts above. Lots of back slapping and bumming going on. Walters is our top premier league goal scorer yet some of you would have him dropped. Can we call that an agenda or short memories? Marko Armautovic is a right winger. Even Peter Kopteff assisted and scored against the sort of teams like Portsmouth, Wrexham and Rochdale You go on about a ball vs a Man Utd, what about the chance missed at Leicester? At 0-0 that could have cost us! How about vs Liverpool when The Lord of tracking back let Glenn Johnson waddle past to steal 3 points. Ask yourself why the unbiased observers (the commentators) regularly pick out Arnie. Hull away he was ridiculed, vs Rochdale the BBC report picked up on his attitude. He was excellent at the back end of last season but he's been poor for the rest of his Stoke career. Stoke City are in a better place now yes. Ask yourself this. Were Stoke City in a better place before or after Sonko signed? Ask yourself this. Why is Highes prioritising a right side winger? Rough translation: "I'm trying to move the goalposts here. Give me a break." Result: "Epic Fail".
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Post by upthefud on Feb 2, 2015 11:40:22 GMT
I had to laugh at all the posts above. Lots of back slapping and bumming going on. Walters is our top premier league goal scorer yet some of you would have him dropped. Can we call that an agenda or short memories? Marko Armautovic is a right winger. Even Peter Kopteff assisted and scored against the sort of teams like Portsmouth, Wrexham and Rochdale You go on about a ball vs a Man Utd, what about the chance missed at Leicester? At 0-0 that could have cost us! How about vs Liverpool when The Lord of tracking back let Glenn Johnson waddle past to steal 3 points. Ask yourself why the unbiased observers (the commentators) regularly pick out Arnie. Hull away he was ridiculed, vs Rochdale the BBC report picked up on his attitude. He was excellent at the back end of last season but he's been poor for the rest of his Stoke career. Stoke City are in a better place now yes. Ask yourself this. Were Stoke City in a better place before or after Sonko signed? Ask yourself this. Why is Highes prioritising a right side winger? Rough translation: "I'm trying to move the goalposts here. Give me a break." Result: "Epic Fail". Not really
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Post by huddy on Feb 2, 2015 11:44:42 GMT
Quite amusing this Arnie love in.I was near the dug out on Saturday and Hughes was slaughtering him for not getting crosses in.We are obviously after a right winger to replace him.
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Post by upthefud on Feb 2, 2015 11:49:48 GMT
Quite amusing this Arnie love in.I was near the dug out on Saturday and Hughes was slaughtering him for not getting crosses in.We are obviously after a right winger to replace him. Too many people on here have a pro Arnie agenda mate, Hughes will be coming in for stick for daring to question the chosen one next. Shame really
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Post by kurt on Feb 2, 2015 11:53:59 GMT
Your opinions have been debunked by facts. Deal with it.
Except they haven't, have they? Those stats show he's got one league assist to his name, and I don't think he contributes enough in games to warrant his placeDo you get paid from anyone for using every possibility to declaim against Arnautovic?? This seems to be a litte bit pathological.
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Post by upthefud on Feb 2, 2015 11:57:59 GMT
Except they haven't, have they? Those stats show he's got one league assist to his name, and I don't think he contributes enough in games to warrant his placeDo you get paid from anyone for using every possibility to declaim against Arnautovic?? This seems to be a litte bit pathological. I think you'll find Kurt that there are many split opinions. Even in Austria where the locals tend to enjoy a good discussion about Arnie and Wiemann. I don't meant to offend as you're clearly a nice bloke but there's no need to act as if I'm derailed, many feel the same way as I do towards Arnie.
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Post by kurt on Feb 2, 2015 12:15:14 GMT
Do you get paid from anyone for using every possibility to declaim against Arnautovic?? This seems to be a litte bit pathological. I think you'll find Kurt that there are many split opinions. Even in Austria where the locals tend to enjoy a good discussion about Arnie and Wiemann. I don't meant to offend as you're clearly a nice bloke but there's no need to act as if I'm derailed, many feel the same way as I do towards Arnie. Of course you can have your critical opinion on Arni. If he deserves to get blamed, i will do that too. But you write it every week and use sentences like before: "He´s been poor for the rest of his Stoke career"....do you mean that serious?? It would mean that he was poor against ManU or WesBrom for example oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/238743/player-ratingsoatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/238491/player-ratings
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