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Post by kronkie on Feb 1, 2015 10:50:00 GMT
Love him or hate him what does he really offer us?
Yesterday very little again and I find it hard to recall when he last put in a proper "shift" against a premiership team.
His body language just gives me the impression that he just does not give a fcuk and some of his performances for a player on probably
in excess of £20k a week are just not good enough.
Its true that he does have some flashes of brilliance but for me give me someone who will at least look as if they give a fcuk.
Someone just give me a clue, what does he offer us?
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Post by bertiestan on Feb 1, 2015 10:52:43 GMT
I don't think that there's many in the side who don't work as hard as arnie, for a winger he does the defensive work well, if he was more consistent he wouldn't be here.
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Post by slicko on Feb 1, 2015 10:53:41 GMT
Weren't similar noises being made about John Walters a couple of seasons ago?
Let Sparky be the judge and jury.
If he's making the starting eleven then he's performing well in training.
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Feb 1, 2015 10:58:56 GMT
There are a lot of idiots who don't read body language well in stoke apparently... Who cares if he walks a bit funny? He worked hard again. Some people don't see that. If anything, he tries too hard, and isn't relaxed enough when he has the ball in the final third. That's why he scores every shot in the warm up, but in the game he skies them 20 yards over the bar.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Feb 1, 2015 10:59:19 GMT
Thought he did ok yesterday had a good shot blocked and put in a couple of good crossed in the first half, always stays back if Bardsley ventures up front, his shooting is shite but apart from that I'm more than happy he's starting. I wouldn't have taken him off yesterday. He's one of those lazy looking players when he hasn't got the ball and slouches about Ireland appears to be the same and so was Fuller. Gouranga.  |
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Post by homer32 on Feb 1, 2015 11:01:09 GMT
Yes this is why LMH is in for another wide man in the window as Arnie doesn't really give us enough. The odd flash of his ability & creates a few chances but poor on scoring goals himself as his shooting is awful.Will retain his place unless he decides to play Mame out right or we get Lennon.
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Post by nutterpotter on Feb 1, 2015 11:03:41 GMT
I personally think the complete opposite with regards to his attitude. He gets frustrated and starts sulking every time he makes a mistake because he wants to do well for the club. More often than not, when he does lose the ball, he works his bollocks off to win it back. Just needs to keep it simple and not try too hard on the ball.
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Post by Linx on Feb 1, 2015 11:04:01 GMT
Exactly, Albert. But he becomes full of energy when he is on the ball. We just need him to be less anxious about scoring. He's not in the team to score goals, he's about providing, or taking the pressure off the central striker.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Feb 1, 2015 11:05:16 GMT
I think his body language indicates that he knows what he is doing wrong, not that he doesn't care.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 11:06:07 GMT
Does so much work defensively, honestly the bloke could do a job at full back!
Really like Arnie
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Post by kurt on Feb 1, 2015 11:07:59 GMT
I am surprised, that some people write: "He offered little yesterday". First half he offered much effort on the right side, i think, but to run against 2 or 3 opponents is not simple. He is not such a good dribbler as Moses but he is far better than VM concerning short passing and play a fast one-touch-football with his teammates, as he did fine sometimes with Bardsley or Ireland yesterday. He was always a threat against QPR in the first half. Second half the game of Stoke was getting worse in general, so i can live with the sub.....i would have brought Diouf instead of Crouch.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 1, 2015 11:08:52 GMT
His end product was lacking yesterday at times but he had the beating of his man and looked dangerous I thought.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 1, 2015 11:10:30 GMT
He was keeping Hill on his toes.
His crossing was shite yesterday but he was beating Hill time and time again, when we made the subs that just didn't happen.
His shooting is shit, people will just have to deal with that.
His body language is fine, he gets frustrated with himself and shows it......how dare he!?
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Post by kurt on Feb 1, 2015 11:10:45 GMT
Yes this is why LMH is in for another wide man in the window as Arnie doesn't really give us enough. The odd flash of his ability & creates a few chances but poor on scoring goals himself as his shooting is awful.Will retain his place unless he decides to play Mame out right or we get Lennon. Did you realize that Stoke is on the way forward in the table, since Arni has been in the starting 11 in recent times? Except the Arsenal game we see a constantly good Stoke City team, winning most of the games....and Arni is part of that. |
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Post by wuzza on Feb 1, 2015 11:11:31 GMT
The bottom line is that playing in his position its Arnie's job to set up or score goals. I don't know the stats but it seems to me he hasn't done much of either this season.
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Post by warringtonstokie on Feb 1, 2015 11:12:05 GMT
People want Arnie to do shit, yesterday the guy behind me even managed to slag him off when QPR players fucked up asking if they'd 'been learning off Arnie' I think he's a much better player and a much harder worker than people give him credit for
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 11:15:47 GMT
Had a stinker of a first 10 minutes I thought then was fine. Always an outlet.
Don't quite see what is so special about Arnie that we have to have this kind of post mortem of his performances after every game, yet we don't about anyone else?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Feb 1, 2015 11:17:45 GMT
His end product was lacking yesterday at times but he had the beating of his man and looked dangerous I thought. He did but as you say his end product was generally poor again. He's actually more frustrating at present than when he was in really shit form earlier in the season. We get glimpses of real talent followed by him running the ball out of play or trying to beat a man when an early cross would be the better option. I'd persist with him still though. |
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Post by flinteastwood on Feb 1, 2015 11:19:27 GMT
I really like it when he sulks cos to me it proves he really cares about what hes doin and is very similar in that way with fuller and workrate wise he always puts in a good shift.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 1, 2015 11:19:57 GMT
If he could learn to shoot he would be great!  |
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Post by slother on Feb 1, 2015 11:23:31 GMT
Although it's commonly cited as his weakness I have no problem with his work rate or attitude. I simply don't think he impacts games enough, which is what he's in the side to do. I'd keep him around as he's useful to have, but I think we paid about what he's worth and if a better offer came in I'd take the money.
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Post by slother on Feb 1, 2015 11:24:35 GMT
He was keeping Hill on his toes. His crossing was shite yesterday but he was beating Hill time and time again, when we made the subs that just didn't happen. His shooting is shit, people will just have to deal with that. His body language is fine, he gets frustrated with himself and shows it......how dare he!? |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 1, 2015 11:27:41 GMT
He was poor. Moses firmly put him in the shade yesterday.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 1, 2015 11:28:11 GMT
He was keeping Hill on his toes. His crossing was shite yesterday but he was beating Hill time and time again, when we made the subs that just didn't happen. His shooting is shit, people will just have to deal with that. His body language is fine, he gets frustrated with himself and shows it......how dare he!? Oh I no......Walters never beat him once! |
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Post by nick_stoke on Feb 1, 2015 11:54:18 GMT
Had a stinker of a first 10 minutes I thought then was fine. Always an outlet. Don't quite see what is so special about Arnie that we have to have this kind of post mortem of his performances after every game, yet we don't about anyone else? Interesting point. He's a divisive player. He is either great or terrible, often at the same time. He'll beat three men, put together a clever run and then spoon it over the bar or cross it into the stands. Depends which of those extremes you focus on. He also wears his heart on his sleeve more than many others. Whelan for example is a machine. He's generally emotionless and composed to the point of anonymity and consequently doesn't get talked about half as much. Arnie is human and very fallible, but capable of genius and so very frustrating to watch. Makes him great to watch IMO. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 12:21:59 GMT
His end product was lacking yesterday at times but he had the beating of his man and looked dangerous I thought. You see I saw it completely differently. Arnie is one of those wingers who rarely takes a defender on and beats him for pace or skill,the opposite of Moses if you like. He should be looking at getting the early cross in rather than confronting a fullback he rarely beats,which is what he tried to do in the 1st half yesterday. A number of times he received the ball out wide in space and then ran at the defender who took him towards the touchline and at best we got a corner out of it. I can see why Hughes is looking for a right winger |
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 1, 2015 12:24:39 GMT
We were worse when he went off yesterday.
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Post by trigger on Feb 1, 2015 12:26:31 GMT
I think his body language indicates that he knows what he is doing wrong, not that he doesn't care. 99% of what he currently does is wrong, borders on pathetic really, for example "that" shot in the second half, WTF was he thinking, 20 yards wide/over whatever you want to call it. He offers very little as an attacking player and I can't recall the last time he actually went past a player. I honestly thought he'd excel against Clint Hill yesterday but yet again he failed miserably. Correct me if I'm wrong but in the latter parts of the second half yesterday he was actually milking undeserved praise from the front rows of block31 and failed to concentrate enough to realise he'd let his man go bombing on. In his current form he should be nowhere near the starting eleven. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 1, 2015 12:27:10 GMT
His end product was lacking yesterday at times but he had the beating of his man and looked dangerous I thought. He did but as you say his end product was generally poor again. He's actually more frustrating at present than when he was in really shit form earlier in the season. We get glimpses of real talent followed by him running the ball out of play or trying to beat a man when an early cross would be the better option. I'd persist with him still though. I'd be more worried Jamo if he was totally uninvolved in games. That he's causing problems for teams and linking well with Bardsley as he did yesterday is an encouraging sign for me. He's worth his place at the moment. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 1, 2015 12:28:37 GMT
His end product was lacking yesterday at times but he had the beating of his man and looked dangerous I thought. You see I saw it completely differently. Arnie is one of those wingers who rarely takes a defender on and beats him for pace or skill,the opposite of Moses if you like. He should be looking at getting the early cross in rather than confronting a fullback he rarely beats,which is what he tried to do in the 1st half yesterday. A number of times he received the ball out wide in space and then ran at the defender who took him towards the touchline and at best we got a corner out of it. I can see why Hughes is looking for a right winger He's looking for one because we have zero cover, surely? It was frustrating to see him running the ball out of touch but I thought there was plenty of decent stuff mixed in with that. |
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