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Post by Onneravineet on Feb 9, 2015 22:10:17 GMT
Sooooo Albion...it seems what Pulis brings is endless quarrels, clashing opinions, Prem safety and a solid foundation from which a successful Premier League club can move on from under the stewardship of possibly the best Chairman in the country. Stoke can now look to become a long term established top tier success story, at a time that will continue to bring unrivalled riches that have changed the fabric of the club we love forever.
Cheers TP, loved you, respect you and still do but I am glad we have moved on from the football that made it all possible.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 22:10:49 GMT
With Stoke gates averaging around 13,000 between 1985/2000 and 26,997 from 2008/13, most Chairman would think it was a slight exaggeration to say if football was the Pulis way it would be all but dead. Like the way you chose the lowest point in our history from 1985 to start your calculation geoff. Good work squire.....
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Post by upthefud on Feb 9, 2015 22:12:05 GMT
And he's still keeping poor sides in the top flight and raising money for charities that go above and beyond his duties. Like it or not Tony Pulis is a Stoke City legend It's quite possible he is and history will be even kinder to him as the mind numbing boredom and other factors fade from the memory, It doesn't stop me detesting the fact that a manager who set out with only the intent to stop the opposition playing regardless of who they were and having nothing more than hope that a dead ball situation would fall kindly as his attacking ploy should ever be admired by anyone. Just my opinion like but if all football was the Pulis way it would be all but dead. Always worth a watch on the teleprinter final score machine mind. History will say he delivered Premier League football after 26 years in the wilderness and kept us there against all the odds. It'll say he left a mid-table top flight team in the richest league in the world with very sound foundations which have been superbly built on. It'll also say he delivered European football and a very first FA Cup final appearance The man sweat blood and tears for this club, proving doubters wrong right from the very first "you don't know what you're doing" chants at the Bescott. You cannot dispute what he achieved was simply magnificent no matter what your opinions on the style. Things like the Villa game after his mothers death and his on going charity work to the area will be forgotten over time as will his style as you say. I just think Mark you give him so much stick because at every turn he took us further than you said he'd be able to. We should all be eternally grateful for the Pulis and Coates era. He restored pride to Stoke City Football Club
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Feb 9, 2015 22:13:27 GMT
With Stoke gates averaging around 13,000 between 1985/2000 and 26,997 from 2008/13, most Chairman would think it was a slight exaggeration to say if football was the Pulis way it would be all but dead. Where was the trend going then Geoff? Has that trend been reversed now perchance? Are you trying to tell me that the football methods adopted by Mr Pulis to achieve his success is one supporters crave to see? You can watch it to your hearts content. I'm just telling you that I never want to watch it's like again and if that means I don't get the glory of watching us defend our way through a cup final ever again I will take that all day long! Each to their own of course.
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Post by discokaraoke on Feb 9, 2015 22:16:01 GMT
With Stoke gates averaging around 13,000 between 1985/2000 and 26,997 from 2008/13, most Chairman would think it was a slight exaggeration to say if football was the Pulis way it would be all but dead. A massive amount of people not renewing their season tickets was one of the reasons he was sacked. His last season i had a season ticket with radio stoke and i even ripped that up in the January
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Post by owdestokie on Feb 9, 2015 22:17:04 GMT
This thread started so peacefully but I think it's time for the shit bin. Usual suspects trying to belittle one of the greatest managers in our history to suit their own agenda. Bang on!!!!! The best part is the usual suspects are about six in total. Now it's tin hat time
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Feb 9, 2015 22:17:25 GMT
It's quite possible he is and history will be even kinder to him as the mind numbing boredom and other factors fade from the memory, It doesn't stop me detesting the fact that a manager who set out with only the intent to stop the opposition playing regardless of who they were and having nothing more than hope that a dead ball situation would fall kindly as his attacking ploy should ever be admired by anyone. Just my opinion like but if all football was the Pulis way it would be all but dead. Always worth a watch on the teleprinter final score machine mind. History will say he delivered Premier League football after 26 years in the wilderness and kept us there against all the odds. It'll say he left a mid-table top flight team in the richest league in the world with very sound foundations which have been superbly built on. It'll also say he delivered European football and a very first FA Cup final appearance The man sweat blood and tears for this club, proving doubters wrong right from the very first "you don't know what you're doing" chants at the Bescott. You cannot dispute what he achieved was simply magnificent no matter what your opinions on the style. Things like the Villa game after his mothers death and his on going charity work to the area will be forgotten over time as will his style as you say. I just think Mark you give him so much stick because at every turn he took us further than you said he'd be able to. We should all be eternally grateful for the Pulis and Coates era. He restored pride to Stoke City Football Club Most Stoke fans would agree with that post mate
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Post by Scrotnig on Feb 9, 2015 22:24:46 GMT
Cheers TP, loved you, respect you and still do but I am glad we have moved on from the football that made it all possible. This sums up precisely my feelings on TP. He's fantastic and I'd recommend him to any club needed to stay up in whatever division they are in. He's become known as a "saviour" of struggling clubs, but he did much, much more than that for us. Against the odds he took us to the promised land, and then he kept us there. Incredible stuff, when you think about it. He wasn't perfect though, and I agreed with his departure, albeit with a heavy heart, he'd done all he could here and I suspect he knew it too. Hughes isn't so much a btter manager, just a completely different manager. Times change but I will laways be grateful for Pulis. Promotion, stability, safety, FA cup final, Europe, he really doesn't get the credit he deserves for what he did for us, but I'm still glad he went when he did. He pretty much quit on a high before it all turned to sh*t. Perfect time to go.
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Post by Scrotnig on Feb 9, 2015 22:27:04 GMT
"One of the greatest managers in our history" someone said above.
Yes, I think I do agree with that. He definitely was. I will always remember him with great affection for what he did for this club, my beloved club, after so many years of...well, f*ck all really.
Hope he does the same for West Br....wait...what am I saying? No I don't. I really, really don't.
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Post by RAF on Feb 9, 2015 22:31:36 GMT
History will say he delivered Premier League football after 26 years in the wilderness and kept us there against all the odds. It'll say he left a mid-table top flight team in the richest league in the world with very sound foundations which have been superbly built on. It'll also say he delivered European football and a very first FA Cup final appearance The man sweat blood and tears for this club, proving doubters wrong right from the very first "you don't know what you're doing" chants at the Bescott. You cannot dispute what he achieved was simply magnificent no matter what your opinions on the style. Things like the Villa game after his mothers death and his on going charity work to the area will be forgotten over time as will his style as you say. I just think Mark you give him so much stick because at every turn he took us further than you said he'd be able to. We should all be eternally grateful for the Pulis and Coates era. He restored pride to Stoke City Football Club Most Stoke fans would agree with that post mate To say that you would have to know most of them, which I'm guessing you don't mate to be fair! H
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Post by geoff321 on Feb 9, 2015 22:34:14 GMT
Each individual fan can express a subjective view of Pulisball and there will be hugely different views of the quality of it and in that respect Mark Wolstanton is perfectly entitled to his view.
Where the views expressed by Mark hold no validity is when you get onto hard facts and statistics, in fact he rarely if ever refers to any facts.
According to him Pulisball is the death knell of football and yet Stoke had their highest ever average gates, reached their first ever Cup Final, went further into Europe than ever before and maintained their poison as a PL club.
If anyone on this Board wants to have a serious argument about the achievements of Tony Pulis, let them start by trying to deny the facts and statistics.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 22:34:41 GMT
Cheers TP, loved you, respect you and still do but I am glad we have moved on from the football that made it all possible. This sums up precisely my feelings on TP. He's fantastic and I'd recommend him to any club needed to stay up in whatever division they are in. He's become known as a "saviour" of struggling clubs, but he did much, much more than that for us. Against the odds he took us to the promised land, and then he kept us there. Incredible stuff, when you think about it. He wasn't perfect though, and I agreed with his departure, albeit with a heavy heart, he'd done all he could here and I suspect he knew it too. Hughes isn't so much a btter manager, just a completely different manager. Times change but I will laways be grateful for Pulis. Promotion, stability, safety, FA cup final, Europe, he really doesn't get the credit he deserves for what he did for us, but I'm still glad he went when he did. He pretty much quit on a high before it all turned to sh*t. Perfect time to go. Tony will always be remembered for a guy who split opinions. His greatest moment for me was when he came out at half time against Aston Villa after we were told he would miss the game due to his mother passing away and his worst was his lame team selection at Valencia. How could you play such a weak team at a game which was a once in a lifeltime for the fans, club and some of the players he left at home. Highs and lows, chalk and cheese. The Marmite man!!
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Feb 9, 2015 22:36:51 GMT
History will say he delivered Premier League football after 26 years in the wilderness and kept us there against all the odds. It'll say he left a mid-table top flight team in the richest league in the world with very sound foundations which have been superbly built on. It'll also say he delivered European football and a very first FA Cup final appearance The man sweat blood and tears for this club, proving doubters wrong right from the very first "you don't know what you're doing" chants at the Bescott. You cannot dispute what he achieved was simply magnificent no matter what your opinions on the style. Things like the Villa game after his mothers death and his on going charity work to the area will be forgotten over time as will his style as you say. I just think Mark you give him so much stick because at every turn he took us further than you said he'd be able to. We should all be eternally grateful for the Pulis and Coates era. He restored pride to Stoke City Football Club Most Stoke fans would agree with that post mate It's great isn't it. It tells me why I think what I think and yet not one word of it convinced me that Pulis type football is anything but desperately boring and negative shite that I never want to see as the clubs way again. I repeat that includes avoiding a heavy defeat cup final day out or watching the reserves in Spain. I
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 9, 2015 22:37:44 GMT
With Stoke gates averaging around 13,000 between 1985/2000 and 26,997 from 2008/13, most Chairman would think it was a slight exaggeration to say if football was the Pulis way it would be all but dead. Where was the trend going then Geoff? Has that trend been reversed now perchance? Are you trying to tell me that the football methods adopted by Mr Pulis to achieve his success is one supporters crave to see? You can watch it to your hearts content. I'm just telling you that I never want to watch it's like again and if that means I don't get the glory of watching us defend our way through a cup final ever again I will take that all day long! Each to their own of course. Was that the same period that saw us record the biggest semi final win at the new Wembley, beat Newcastle 4-0, draw with Chelsea, beat Wolves 3-0 and Arsenal 3-1 before turning up battered, bruised and bandaged up before giving a team worth 300M a game in our only Cup Final appearance? You're right truly horrific times to be a Stoke fan. I don't know how I got through it all, looking back.
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Post by RAF on Feb 9, 2015 22:38:45 GMT
Each individual fan can express a subjective view of Pulisball and there will be hugely different views of the quality of it and in that respect Mark Wolstanton is perfectly entitled to his view. Where the views expressed by Mark hold no validity is when you get onto hard facts and statistics, in fact he rarely if ever refers to any facts. According to him Pulisball is the death knell of football and yet Stoke had their highest ever average gates, reached their first ever Cup Final, went further into Europe than ever before and maintained their poison as a PL club. If anyone on this Board wants to have a serious argument about the achievements of Tony Pulis, let them start by trying to deny the facts and statistics. If you are going to quote facts then get them right, it wasn't our first ever Cup Final , you pompous toss piece. Deny those FACTS! H
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Post by geoff321 on Feb 9, 2015 22:40:27 GMT
Thought you had blocked me H.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 9, 2015 22:40:41 GMT
You might not recall but I remember being in the boothen end losing at home to Leicester to chants of
We want waddington out
History will righty be as kind to Tony Pulis as it has been to Tony both gave more than we were entitled to ask in our cause and the Nile should be saved for others who short changed is badly in between .
I argued with Tony pulis selections and tactics as many did , and his spending on certain players but he moved this club on for all his foibles in a way In which only Washington can compare and for that we should be grateful and history will show it as such he deserves a standing ovation at the Brit and a good defeat to take with it next season .
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Post by upthefud on Feb 9, 2015 22:40:49 GMT
Most Stoke fans would agree with that post mate It's great isn't it. It tells me why I think what I think and yet not one word of it convinced me that Pulis type football is anything but desperately boring and negative shite that I never want to see as the clubs way again. I repeat that includes avoiding a heavy defeat cup final day out or watching the reserves in Spain. I I'm not trying to convince you that your eyes are wrong. If we all saw the game the same way it'd be pointless going. What I'm saying is you steadfastly refuse to give the man the credit he richly deserves
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Post by discokaraoke on Feb 9, 2015 22:43:23 GMT
History will say he delivered Premier League football after 26 years in the wilderness and kept us there against all the odds. It'll say he left a mid-table top flight team in the richest league in the world with very sound foundations which have been superbly built on. It'll also say he delivered European football and a very first FA Cup final appearanceThe man sweat blood and tears for this club, proving doubters wrong right from the very first "you don't know what you're doing" chants at the Bescott. You cannot dispute what he achieved was simply magnificent no matter what your opinions on the style. Things like the Villa game after his mothers death and his on going charity work to the area will be forgotten over time as will his style as you say. I just think Mark you give him so much stick because at every turn he took us further than you said he'd be able to. We should all be eternally grateful for the Pulis and Coates era. He restored pride to Stoke City Football Club Most Stoke fans would agree with that post mate He left a club he nearly relegated, We had all the luck you needed to get to a cup final that year, and the bollox about he delivered European football was a result by default !
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Feb 9, 2015 22:43:24 GMT
Each individual fan can express a subjective view of Pulisball and there will be hugely different views of the quality of it and in that respect Mark Wolstanton is perfectly entitled to his view. Where the views expressed by Mark hold no validity is when you get onto hard facts and statistics, in fact he rarely if ever refers to any facts. According to him Pulisball is the death knell of football and yet Stoke had their highest ever average gates, reached their first ever Cup Final, went further into Europe than ever before and maintained their poison as a PL club. If anyone on this Board wants to have a serious argument about the achievements of Tony Pulis, let them start by trying to deny the facts and statistics. Yeah sorry about that Geoff. I know it's quaint but I watch football for the joy of it rather than as a subject with which to practice my mathematical skills on. I think it was Bristol Mick who first pointed out that Pulis football was best viewed in the results column of the newspaper. Never a truer word eh Geoff?
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 9, 2015 22:43:41 GMT
Each individual fan can express a subjective view of Pulisball and there will be hugely different views of the quality of it and in that respect Mark Wolstanton is perfectly entitled to his view. Where the views expressed by Mark hold no validity is when you get onto hard facts and statistics, in fact he rarely if ever refers to any facts. According to him Pulisball is the death knell of football and yet Stoke had their highest ever average gates, reached their first ever Cup Final, went further into Europe than ever before and maintained their poison as a PL club. If anyone on this Board wants to have a serious argument about the achievements of Tony Pulis, let them start by trying to deny the facts and statistics. Lol, freudian slip or what?!?!?!?!!
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Post by geoff321 on Feb 9, 2015 22:46:12 GMT
No I meant that Pugs, it's the first word I think of when TP is mentioned.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 9, 2015 22:47:29 GMT
Most Stoke fans would agree with that post mate He left a club he nearly relegated, We had all the luck you needed to get to a cup final that year, and the bollox about he delivered European football was a result by default ! I presume you wont be going to the Cup Final of we make it this year then? We've beat Trentham Romans and Blue Mugge so far (and were second best for long periods of both matches) Pathetic stuff, eh?
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Post by skip on Feb 9, 2015 22:48:19 GMT
He was as brilliant as he was cynical but you can't keep that up at one club forever.
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Post by RAF on Feb 9, 2015 22:49:48 GMT
Thought you had blocked me H. Unfortunately for me even though I blocked you when people quote you I see it, so I thought I'd see where this particular conversation was going. It only took me 3 seconds to de-bunk your 'factual' post. H
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Post by geoff321 on Feb 9, 2015 22:52:31 GMT
First ever F.A. Cup Final, so yes you are correct but I think you knew what I meant H.
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Post by skip on Feb 9, 2015 22:54:51 GMT
Dear Geoff. Do you know Tony Pulis personally? Come on, admit it!
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Feb 9, 2015 22:55:59 GMT
It's great isn't it. It tells me why I think what I think and yet not one word of it convinced me that Pulis type football is anything but desperately boring and negative shite that I never want to see as the clubs way again. I repeat that includes avoiding a heavy defeat cup final day out or watching the reserves in Spain. I I'm not trying to convince you that your eyes are wrong. If we all saw the game the same way it'd be pointless going. What I'm saying is you steadfastly refuse to give the man the credit he richly deserves And I'm saying that a manager who sets out to reduce football to nothing more than a death struggle every single fucking week won't get a jot of credit from me. If you want to applaud such blatantly destructive and frankly cowardly methods that is up to you. I'll save my plaudits for managers who have the belief and vision to set out to win football matches. Managers like Mark Hughes for example. Do you understand? I just haven't time for a well funded manager who is so scared of defeat never mind glorify him because it worked for a while.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 9, 2015 22:56:05 GMT
He left a club he nearly relegated, We had all the luck you needed to get to a cup final that year, and the bollox about he delivered European football was a result by default ! I presume you wont be going to the Cup Final of we make it this year then? We've beat Trentham Romans and Blue Mugge so far (and were second best for long periods of both matches) Pathetic stuff, eh? Were we to get to this seasons cup final, I'm pretty sure we will at least make an attempt at winning it rather than trying to avoid heavy defeat. I half expect that if you offered TP a 1-0 defeat on cup final day, he'd have taken it. ;-) :-)
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Post by upthefud on Feb 9, 2015 23:00:47 GMT
I'm not trying to convince you that your eyes are wrong. If we all saw the game the same way it'd be pointless going. What I'm saying is you steadfastly refuse to give the man the credit he richly deserves And I'm saying that a manager who sets out to reduce football to nothing more than a death struggle every single fucking week won't get a jot of credit from me. If you want to applaud such blatantly destructive and frankly cowardly methods that is up to you. I'll save my plaudits for managers who have the belief and vision to set out to win football matches. Managers like Mark Hughes for example. Do you understand? I just haven't time for a well funded manager who is so scared of defeat never mind glorify him because it worked for a while. Without Pulis there'd be no Mark Hughes, just more Steve Quiterill's or Brian Little's. It must really grate on you just how successful he was. How he and Coates are the reason we are back on the footballing map. Did you celebrate promotion? Survival? I wonder what you'd have made of Waddo's wall
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