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Post by Scrotnig on Jan 27, 2015 20:43:24 GMT
We're one of the worlds 30 richest football clubs, so in the grand scheme of things, we can afford to keep Bojan. A few grand in medical bills or at least £15 million on a replacement? Exactly. We'll be paying the medical bills anyway. It's not that. It's after that. Potentially having a player who is struggling to shake off the after effects of a nasty injury, the cost of which prevents us from signing someone else. Perhaps he'll be amazing on his first day back at the office. I hope so, but that isn't always the case, and how long should we hold onto him, hoping he'll "turn the corner", preventing us signing someone else, while his resale value plummets.... Look, this is a horrible chain of posts. Actually it's making me rather upset posting this stuff. Harsh realities, whether actual or potential, can be like that.. Let's just cross the bridge when or if we come to it. I hope he makes it.
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Post by Davef on Jan 27, 2015 20:43:36 GMT
The poor bloke has just been told he's got 6 months out after just recapturing his form and giving us some of the best moments since promotion. I don't give a shit about "no room for sentimentality in football". Get behind the lad and have some bloody faith. There's nothing wrong with faith of course - but it's not terribly tangible. The only tangible thing is - we have absolutely no guarantee that he can return to the team and recapture his previous brilliance. With this injury, somce certainly do, but many others do not, or at least not with the same club, because the team moves on in that time and they get left behind, faced with a combination of old and new. At that point, a fresh start is probably better for him, and us. I don't expect many to agree with me and that's just a fact of life and a fact of football but let's see who's right and who's wrong in 12 months - and I do hope it's me that's wrong. It's not a case of being proven right or wrong. You're just talking nonsense. No club has ever - or will ever - discard a contracted player because they've picked up a long term injury. It's completely irrelevant. I'm not even sure why you decided to post it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 20:43:57 GMT
I have only read the last couple of pages of this thread since I heard the news. I really cannot understand how anybody could write him off as of today. The real tragedy is his, rather than Stokes; by which I mean that although I am desperately sad for Stoke City, I am actually more concerned about him. It must be devastating for him to have been a bit of an outcast for a couple of years and then to finally play at a club where he is adored and is rekindling the sort of reputation that he enjoyed when he was younger, before suffering an injury like this. For my part, I will continue to hope that he gets back to full fitness and that he even comes back stronger. I see no point in being a pessimist; we have no idea how well or poorly he will recover. I'm sure that this has been said in earlier posts, but we should sing his name, let him know that we are thinking of him and that we want him back. In short, we should make him feel as wanted as we have done this far. We nursed Rory Delap back to become a player who we would have been relegated without; we can do the same with Bojan. He obviously has the strength of character to overcome this; we should just support him in his endeavours to do so. And on a side note; lets get the remaining points as fast as possible!!! Nobody's said we shouldn't support him or help him or do anything we can for him, but when he's fit again he won't be as good and he certainly won't fit into what will by then be an entirely different team, unless you think Hughes is daft enough to leave things exactly as they are ready for Bojan to return. You can't just pick up where you left off, it takes time, Stoke don't have that time, or the money, so when he's fit, get rid and get someone else. Let him sort out his rehabilitation / not-being-really-all-that-good-because-he-hasn't-played-for-a-year elsewhere while we bring in someone as good or better as he has been recently for us. Sorry, I'm not going to pretend it's pleasant but we are playing at the top level now. Arsenal had the money to be able to carry Ramsey for years until he was eventually back to where he should be, if we do that it means we lack someone decent while it's all going on because we can't afford it. He's finished for us. Let's remember the good times, and move on. Do me a fucking favour. No, really.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 27, 2015 20:45:02 GMT
The poor bloke has just been told he's got 6 months out after just recapturing his form and giving us some of the best moments since promotion. I don't give a shit about "no room for sentimentality in football". Get behind the lad and have some bloody faith. There's nothing wrong with faith of course - but it's not terribly tangible. The only tangible thing is - we have absolutely no guarantee that he can return to the team and recapture his previous brilliance. With this injury, somce certainly do, but many others do not, or at least not with the same club, because the team moves on in that time and they get left behind, faced with a combination of old and new. At that point, a fresh start is probably better for him, and us. I don't expect many to agree with me and that's just a fact of life and a fact of football but let's see who's right and who's wrong in 12 months - and I do hope it's me that's wrong. You have no guarantee that he won't make a full recovery either. This guy is our best asset at this point, it's clear the team is being taken in a direction by Hughes, and it's one that suits players like Bojan. To write him off less than a day into his recovery because he might not get back to the way he was is downright ludicrous. Would Ferguson have done it with Roy Keane?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 20:45:02 GMT
We're one of the worlds 30 richest football clubs, so in the grand scheme of things, we can afford to keep Bojan. A few grand in medical bills or at least £15 million on a replacement? Exactly. We'll be paying the medical bills anyway. It's not that. It's after that. Potentially having a player who is struggling to shake off the after effects of a nasty injury, the cost of which prevents us from signing someone else.Perhaps he'll be amazing on his first day back at the office. I hope so, but that isn't always the case, and how long should we hold onto him, hoping he'll "turn the corner", preventing us signing someone else, while his resale value plummets.... Look, this is a horrible chain of posts. Actually it's making me rather upset posting this stuff. Harsh realities, whether actual or potential, can be like that.. Let's just cross the bridge when or if we come to it. I hope he makes it. What cost? He's cost us 500k. With his wages on top of that you are probably nowhere near what we paid for Dave Kitson. Don't talk utter shit.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jan 27, 2015 20:45:04 GMT
come on mate he's a wind up merchant, maybe a spammer. Give over, I've been here for years. My posts are my honest opinion, I don't have to just blindly agree with everyone else, I'm trying to take a step back and look at it from a different angle. "Blind hope" isn't my style, not these days anyhow.
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Post by 1982stokie on Jan 27, 2015 20:45:37 GMT
Bojan must be nigh on inconsolable, if I was in his position of just recovering my early career form at a club that basically adored me I'd be fucking devastated. Definitely need a few songs for him on Saturday, let the little fella know we're with him every step of the way. I haven't felt this gutted about anything for a very long time. When I first heard the news one of my first thoughts was how the hell will you cope with this
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Post by Beardy200 on Jan 27, 2015 20:46:42 GMT
We're one of the worlds 30 richest football clubs, so in the grand scheme of things, we can afford to keep Bojan. A few grand in medical bills or at least £15 million on a replacement? Exactly. We'll be paying the medical bills anyway. It's not that. It's after that. Potentially having a player who is struggling to shake off the after effects of a nasty injury, the cost of which prevents us from signing someone else. Perhaps he'll be amazing on his first day back at the office. I hope so, but that isn't always the case, and how long should we hold onto him, hoping he'll "turn the corner", preventing us signing someone else, while his resale value plummets.... Look, this is a horrible chain of posts. Actually it's making me rather upset posting this stuff. Harsh realities, whether actual or potential, can be like that.. Let's just cross the bridge when or if we come to it. I hope he makes it. At least you can now admit there's a chance. Better than 'he's finished' ;D
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Post by Scrotnig on Jan 27, 2015 20:47:01 GMT
It's not a case of being proven right or wrong. You're just talking nonsense. No club has ever - or will ever - discard a contracted player because they've picked up a long term injury. It's completely irrelevant. I'm not even sure why you decided to post it. Over-dramatic. I never said discard him. I said we have to consider selling him when he's back to full fitness, if he isn't the player he was. He's picked up a serious injury. It happens. There is no guarantee he will be of any use to us when he recovers. If he isn't, we may need to sell him. is that really so ludicrous?
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Post by Beardy200 on Jan 27, 2015 20:48:07 GMT
come on mate he's a wind up merchant, maybe a spammer. Give over, I've been here for years. My posts are my honest opinion, I don't have to just blindly agree with everyone else, I'm trying to take a step back and look at it from a different angle. "Blind hope" isn't my style, not these days anyhow. We can see you prefer blind misery
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Post by Scrotnig on Jan 27, 2015 20:49:49 GMT
At least you can now admit there's a chance. Better than 'he's finished' ;D Yeah, there's a chance. There's always a chance. Last night there was a chance this would turn out not to be a serious injury, and how'd that turn out? You can enjoy the best - and Bojan was certainly that - but you've got to be prepared for the worst. And the worst could be, that we've already seen the best of him. we need to be prepared for that, as a club and as fans. No sentimentality. Personally, I do think he's finished, with us. It's just an opinion though. We'll see.
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Post by Beardy200 on Jan 27, 2015 20:50:44 GMT
It's not a case of being proven right or wrong. You're just talking nonsense. No club has ever - or will ever - discard a contracted player because they've picked up a long term injury. It's completely irrelevant. I'm not even sure why you decided to post it. Over-dramatic. I never said discard him. I said we have to consider selling him when he's back to full fitness, if he isn't the player he was. He's picked up a serious injury. It happens. There is no guarantee he will be of any use to us when he recovers. If he isn't, we may need to sell him. is that really so ludicrous? Not at all except you didn't really say that. You said he's finished and we should get rid ASAP.
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Post by butler64 on Jan 27, 2015 20:50:50 GMT
We're one of the worlds 30 richest football clubs, so in the grand scheme of things, we can afford to keep Bojan. A few grand in medical bills or at least £15 million on a replacement? Exactly. We'll be paying the medical bills anyway. It's not that. It's after that. Potentially having a player who is struggling to shake off the after effects of a nasty injury, the cost of which prevents us from signing someone else. Perhaps he'll be amazing on his first day back at the office. I hope so, but that isn't always the case, and how long should we hold onto him, hoping he'll "turn the corner", preventing us signing someone else, while his resale value plummets.... Look, this is a horrible chain of posts. Actually it's making me rather upset posting this stuff. Harsh realities, whether actual or potential, can be like that.. Let's just cross the bridge when or if we come to it. I hope he makes it. Maybe you should have a word with Bojan and advise him to retire now as he is clearly finished in your eyes. Personally I'd rather wait and see as I think he will make a full recovery. He is young and has time on his side and writing him off the day after the injury is extremely premature.
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Post by stokeoptimist on Jan 27, 2015 20:52:14 GMT
I'm sure Muni will help him through it as he suffered the same injury at Barca!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 27, 2015 20:52:19 GMT
It's not a case of being proven right or wrong. You're just talking nonsense. No club has ever - or will ever - discard a contracted player because they've picked up a long term injury. It's completely irrelevant. I'm not even sure why you decided to post it. Over-dramatic. I never said discard him. I said we have to consider selling him when he's back to full fitness, if he isn't the player he was. He's picked up a serious injury. It happens. There is no guarantee he will be of any use to us when he recovers. If he isn't, we may need to sell him. is that really so ludicrous? So what you're actually saying is that we should not make any rash decisions now and simply wait and assess the situation once he's back to full fitness?
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Post by Kjones9 on Jan 27, 2015 20:53:21 GMT
I'm sure Muni will help him through it as he suffered the same injury at Barca! As he ever played again?
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Post by bigcashprizes on Jan 27, 2015 20:54:02 GMT
Blimey, there's some gloomy guses on here.
My crystal ball has just shown me...
We'll win the fuckin FA Cup at long last. Piss through the Europa group next season. Draw Barca in the knockout round after they finish 3rd in their champs league group. A tense 1-1 down Stoke will ensue and the world will finally find out whether Messi can do it on a wet thursday in Stoke. (can he fuck).
Ten mins to go at the camp nou, 0-0, when Bo Krkic embarks on a mazy dribble through the midfield, leaving the catalan defenders sliding like soggy cabbages into oblivion, before pinging it into the top bin with minimal backlift.
Clive Tyldesley starts orgasming down the mic, "they thought he was finished, but they don't call him the neck end lazarus for nothing!!"
Then sweet little Bo pulls his shorts and pants off to reveal half a dozen locketts oatcakes which he proceeds to swing round his head whilst singing "ole ole ole ole, longton longton" he may or may not pin Lionel to the ground at this point and rub his arse crack up and down his argie chin. The vision gets a bit hazy then. Sure we'll hang on for the victory though
Stop twisting your melons men
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Post by Beardy200 on Jan 27, 2015 20:54:01 GMT
Over-dramatic. I never said discard him. I said we have to consider selling him when he's back to full fitness, if he isn't the player he was. He's picked up a serious injury. It happens. There is no guarantee he will be of any use to us when he recovers. If he isn't, we may need to sell him. is that really so ludicrous? So what you're actually saying is that we should not make any rash decisions now and simply wait and assess the situation once he's back to full fitness? Revolutionary idea isn't it Spence? I can't believe we didn't see it ;D
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Post by butler64 on Jan 27, 2015 20:56:00 GMT
I'm sure Muni will help him through it as he suffered the same injury at Barca! As he ever played again? Yes - but obviously Barcelona thought he was not the same player after the injury so decided to cash in on him and let him come to us
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 21:01:18 GMT
At least you can now admit there's a chance. Better than 'he's finished' ;D Yeah, there's a chance. There's always a chance. Last night there was a chance this would turn out not to be a serious injury, and how'd that turn out? You can enjoy the best - and Bojan was certainly that - but you've got to be prepared for the worst. And the worst could be, that we've already seen the best of him. we need to be prepared for that, as a club and as fans. No sentimentality. Personally, I do think he's finished, with us. It's just an opinion though. We'll see. maybe Arsenal should have discarded Theo Walcott recently? - oops, he's back in the first team playing again - older than Bojan isn't he? Perhaps somebody should have taken a gun and done the humane thing with Allesandro Del Piero when he ruptured his ligament just before his 24th Birthday, same age as Bojan, and a player who went on to have a very long career. Also a very similar player to Bojan After a ligament injury there is a greater recurrence of knee injury but he won't be the first player we have had that had to be looked after a bit. you are talking absolute rubbish mate, he will be back fully fit at the start of next season
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Post by Scrotnig on Jan 27, 2015 21:01:43 GMT
So what you're actually saying is that we should not make any rash decisions now and simply wait and assess the situation once he's back to full fitness? Well, we can't exactly sell him now, so we don't actually have a great deal of choice in that.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jan 27, 2015 21:04:32 GMT
maybe Arsenal should have discarded Theo Walcott recently? - oops, he's back in the first team playing again - older than Bojan isn't he? Perhaps somebody should have taken a gun and done the humane thing with Allesandro Del Piero when he ruptured his ligament just before his 24th Birthday, same age as Bojan, and a player who went on to have a very long career. Also a very similar player to Bojan After a ligament injury there is a greater recurrence of knee injury but he won't be the first player we have had that had to be looked after a bit. you are talking absolute rubbish mate, he will be back fully fit at the start of next season You've hit on another aspect there, which I haven't really covered, but let's throw this one out as well. Often, in cases like this, the affected player has a tendency to become what might be called "injury prone". Even if they do recover their form. There's no point people citing examples where it doesn't happen, because there are plenty of examples where it does as well. It can go either way. Is that a risk we are happy to take?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 21:04:44 GMT
So what you're actually saying is that we should not make any rash decisions now and simply wait and assess the situation once he's back to full fitness? Well, we can't exactly sell him now, so we don't actually have a great deal of choice in that. I have always found pedaling backwards to be far harder than pedaling forwards.
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Post by stokeramblers on Jan 27, 2015 21:06:13 GMT
maybe Arsenal should have discarded Theo Walcott recently? - oops, he's back in the first team playing again - older than Bojan isn't he? Perhaps somebody should have taken a gun and done the humane thing with Allesandro Del Piero when he ruptured his ligament just before his 24th Birthday, same age as Bojan, and a player who went on to have a very long career. Also a very similar player to Bojan After a ligament injury there is a greater recurrence of knee injury but he won't be the first player we have had that had to be looked after a bit. you are talking absolute rubbish mate, he will be back fully fit at the start of next season You've hit on another aspect there, which I haven't really covered, but let's throw this one out as well. Often, in cases like this, the affected player has a tendency to become what might be called "injury prone". Even if they do recover their form. There's no point people citing examples where it doesn't happen, because there are plenty of examples where it does as well. It can go either way. Is that a risk we are happy to take? Ricardo Fuller was 'injury prone' when we signed him. I wish we hadn't bothered, the useless lump he turned out to be
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Post by jonnybravo on Jan 27, 2015 21:07:34 GMT
Well we're all gutted but we have to move on and it's a great opportunity for Ireland or Adam to step up and take this chance to shine, or we need a big money signing to give us a boost.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 27, 2015 21:08:34 GMT
So what you're actually saying is that we should not make any rash decisions now and simply wait and assess the situation once he's back to full fitness? Well, we can't exactly sell him now, so we don't actually have a great deal of choice in that. Go back and read your contributions to this thread fella, you were saying that Bojan was finished here and we neaded to get rid of him - period. Now you're saying that DEPENDING on how he is when he gets back to full fitness then we might have to CONSIDER selling him. You're contradicting yourself.
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Post by scfcrmagic on Jan 27, 2015 21:12:52 GMT
I'm gutted he's out for the rest of the season,,but the important thing is giving the injury time to heal properly ..and letting Bojan know he's supported by the fans ...he's a Stokie now ...so let's show him what that means !! He's young enough to recover...and he was a steal at the price we paid for him..so time is on his and our side !! Get well soon Bojan ...and if you need owt let us know !!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 21:13:18 GMT
Alan Shearer did OK after his ACL, there is no danger of Bojan being finished he will be fine. Get rid my arse.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 21:14:29 GMT
You've hit on another aspect there, which I haven't really covered, but let's throw this one out as well. Often, in cases like this, the affected player has a tendency to become what might be called "injury prone". Even if they do recover their form. There's no point people citing examples where it doesn't happen, because there are plenty of examples where it does as well. It can go either way. Is that a risk we are happy to take? Ricardo Fuller was 'injury prone' when we signed him. I wish we hadn't bothered, the useless lump he turned out to be Indeed, Riccy also ruptured his cruciate and was out for 8 months, long before he joined us
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 21:20:30 GMT
maybe Arsenal should have discarded Theo Walcott recently? - oops, he's back in the first team playing again - older than Bojan isn't he? Perhaps somebody should have taken a gun and done the humane thing with Allesandro Del Piero when he ruptured his ligament just before his 24th Birthday, same age as Bojan, and a player who went on to have a very long career. Also a very similar player to Bojan After a ligament injury there is a greater recurrence of knee injury but he won't be the first player we have had that had to be looked after a bit. you are talking absolute rubbish mate, he will be back fully fit at the start of next season You've hit on another aspect there, which I haven't really covered, but let's throw this one out as well. Often, in cases like this, the affected player has a tendency to become what might be called "injury prone". Even if they do recover their form. There's no point people citing examples where it doesn't happen, because there are plenty of examples where it does as well. It can go either way. Is that a risk we are happy to take? Yes, I just had an acl injury myself and had regular physio from a physio that deals with international footballers and rugby union players, she explained that acl injuries are easier to recover from with excellent surgical reconstruction procedures in place if that is what is needed. A lot of players have recovered from that injury and carried on, far more than those whose careers have nose-dived, perhaps you are thinking of players who suffered the other cruciate ligament injury. Maybe you just enjoy causing a bit of drama and being overly-negative
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