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Post by kidsgroveboxxy on Jan 23, 2015 22:33:04 GMT
For those younger readers (and older), it's just a reminder that one of Britain's greatest politicians died 50 years ago. Take a moment to remember him and all the others who gave their all in the war effort.
RIP
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Post by craig67 on Jan 23, 2015 23:33:44 GMT
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Post by kidsgroveboxxy on Jan 23, 2015 23:58:48 GMT
A left-ist article isn't going to take away that during the war years he was influential in helping Britain and the Allies gaining victory.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 0:31:52 GMT
A left-ist article isn't going to take away that during the war years he was influential in helping Britain and the Allies gaining victory. He wasn't influenial. He was single handedly solely responsible for our ultimate victory. He was the architect supreme. I am a labour supporter too. I am also very fair and pragmatic. It's just very sad that many others aren't the same. give credit where it's due I say..... Speak your mind and and don't let politics shroud your allegiences and you won't go far wrong.... Power to the People !
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Post by craig67 on Jan 24, 2015 1:38:54 GMT
A left-ist article isn't going to take away that during the war years he was influential in helping Britain and the Allies gaining victory. I was simply putting up an article that was on the BBC newsite yesterday-make of it what you will. Some of it defends his comments-other bits don't.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 24, 2015 9:49:02 GMT
Sending in soldiers to break up strikers. Shooting strikers. For that reason, I'm out.
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Post by dutchpeter72 on Jan 24, 2015 10:00:22 GMT
Sending in soldiers to break up strikers. Shooting strikers. For that reason, I'm out. I don't think any of our great historical figures are squeaky clean. However it's a fact, if it wasn't for him you really would be 'out' The US navy has a vessel called the USS Winston S Churchill, I think we missed an opportunity to name one of the new aircraft carriers after him.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jan 24, 2015 10:22:20 GMT
He's running in the 3:25 at Uttoxeter today.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 10:54:40 GMT
A left-ist article isn't going to take away that during the war years he was influential in helping Britain and the Allies gaining victory. Rest assured , they will seek to do so .....the fact that they are at Liberty to do so will be lost on the people that engage in the ridicule of him .
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 10:55:08 GMT
My father was an Officer in the RAF in the late 50's/Early 60's, he wrote a paper as part of his promotion application and suggested Churchil was a war mongerer, he got absolutely carpeted for it, had his application shredded and left shortly after. His theory was based on events such as carpet bombing German cities during the war, in my opinion, he should have maybe kept these thoughts to himself, especially so soon after the war, however, nowadays a lot of scholars and historians do kind of agree. But that in mind, a great wartime leader, but very wanting in peace time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 11:03:45 GMT
My father was an Officer in the RAF in the late 50's/Early 60's, he wrote a paper as part of his promotion application and suggested Churchil was a war mongerer, he got absolutely carpeted for it, had his application shredded and left shortly after. His theory was based on events such as carpet bombing German cities during the war, in my opinion, he should have maybe kept these thoughts to himself, especially so soon after the war, however, nowadays a lot of scholars and historians do kind of agree. But that in mind, a great wartime leader, but very wanting in peace time. Possibly so ......but during a world war you don't want a peace time leader at the helm , you want someone who is in the mould of Churchill, who despite being described as a " war monger " was never such ,one of his most famous quotes was "Jaw,Jaw is better than War, War ".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 11:11:57 GMT
My father was an Officer in the RAF in the late 50's/Early 60's, he wrote a paper as part of his promotion application and suggested Churchil was a war mongerer, he got absolutely carpeted for it, had his application shredded and left shortly after. His theory was based on events such as carpet bombing German cities during the war, in my opinion, he should have maybe kept these thoughts to himself, especially so soon after the war, however, nowadays a lot of scholars and historians do kind of agree. But that in mind, a great wartime leader, but very wanting in peace time. Possibly so ......but during a world war you don't want a peace time leader at the helm , you want someone who is in the mould of Churchill, who despite being described as a " war monger " was never such ,one of his most famous quotes was "Jaw,Jaw is better than War, War ". 100% agree with ya there Bish. Funnily enough was talking about you today, played golf with Trentham64, he is totally racked off with the oatie these days, full of keyboard warriors that do not have a clue about Stoke, or footie in general. We both agreed that you are one of the good un's that the oatie should be proud of.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 11:17:30 GMT
Possibly so ......but during a world war you don't want a peace time leader at the helm , you want someone who is in the mould of Churchill, who despite being described as a " war monger " was never such ,one of his most famous quotes was "Jaw,Jaw is better than War, War ". 100% agree with ya there Bish. Funnily enough was talking about you today, played golf with Trentham64, he is totally racked off with the oatie these days, full of keyboard warriors that do not have a clue about Stoke, or footie in general. We both agreed that you are one of the good un's that the oatie should be proud of. That's very kind of you Shang, Trentham is ok and he should get himself back on here .....treat it all with the indifference it deserves mate .
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jan 24, 2015 12:03:10 GMT
It is my opinion that Churchill learned a very harsh lesson as First Lord of The Admiralty in WW1 when he opened up a second front against the Ottomans in the Dardanelles thinking they would be an easy push over. They were not and cost the Allies dearly in losses of both men and equipment. He would not spread his forces so thinly again during WW2. A great leader and we owe him much. As mumf said his leadership at that point in history transcended all politics and I am always surprised that our country does not commemorate him more than we do. Perhaps one of our new aircraft carriers should be named after him instead of The Prince of Wale.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 24, 2015 12:51:31 GMT
Iconic, but not infallible.
One of the giants of the 20th century.
WW2 was undoubtedly his finest hour. Outside of that, lots of questions. But when this country, and the free world frankly, needed a leader, he stood tall. A quite amazing man. His speeches still sound awesome today; they were more than that back in the '40s.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 13:43:08 GMT
Iconic, but not infallible. One of the giants of the 20th century. WW2 was undoubtedly his finest hour. Outside of that, lots of questions. But when this country, and the free world frankly, needed a leader, he stood tall. A quite amazing man. His speeches still sound awesome today; they were more than that back in the '40s. Exactly so and extremely well put .
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jan 24, 2015 15:13:23 GMT
Wasn't Churchill famous for his put down of Nancy Astor.... Astor: Sir, you are drunk Churchill: yes and you madam are ugly. However tomorrow I will be sober.
Or something like that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 15:47:02 GMT
He's running in the 3:25 at Uttoxeter today. Came 1st 3-1
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Post by jonah77 on Jan 24, 2015 15:58:08 GMT
Iconic, but not infallible. One of the giants of the 20th century. WW2 was undoubtedly his finest hour. Outside of that, lots of questions. But when this country, and the free world frankly, needed a leader, he stood tall. A quite amazing man. His speeches still sound awesome today; they were more than that back in the '40s. You've put it perfectly mate. He was far from perfect but when his country needed him most he wasn't found wanting A true Titan of British history who will no doubt have his history revised by do gooders able to rewrite it because of his spirit
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Post by dutchpeter72 on Jan 24, 2015 16:12:34 GMT
Apparently, during World War Two Churchill was on the toilet when one of his secretaries knocked on the door. Secretary: "Prime Minister, the Lord privvy seal is here to see you" Churchill: "Tell the Privvy seal, I'm sealed in the Privvy and can only deal with one shit at a time." Well, it made me laugh
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Post by craig67 on Jan 24, 2015 16:40:57 GMT
Wasn't Churchill famous for his put down of Nancy Astor.... Astor: Sir, you are drunk Churchill: yes and you madam are ugly. However tomorrow I will be sober. Or something like that. Or was it. Astor:If you were my husband I would poison you. Churchill:If you were my wife I would take it.
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Post by murphthesurf on Jan 24, 2015 20:22:38 GMT
Great, great, GREAT man. I doubt the world will ever see his like again.
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Post by murphthesurf on Jan 24, 2015 20:24:32 GMT
Wasn't Churchill famous for his put down of Nancy Astor.... Astor: Sir, you are drunk Churchill: yes and you madam are ugly. However tomorrow I will be sober. Or something like that. Or was it. Astor:If you were my husband I would poison you. Churchill:If you were my wife I would take it. Lady Astor: “Winston, if I were your wife I’d put poison in your coffee.” Churchill: “Nancy, if I were your husband I’d drink it.” and: “I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly.”
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Post by craig67 on Jan 24, 2015 20:38:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 21:49:16 GMT
Some lazy journalism, rather than left wing bias. Another example of judging past attitudes and mores by today's standards. Even the greatest can be held to account in this way. Try listening to Bowie's "Five Years" or even some of the Monty Python classic sketches without cringing at some of the language (and yes, I am aware that Python was intended to be humorous but even so . . .)
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 25, 2015 0:18:15 GMT
A left-ist article isn't going to take away that during the war years he was influential in helping Britain and the Allies gaining victory. Rest assured , they will seek to do so .....the fact that they are at Liberty to do so will be lost on the people that engage in the ridicule of him . And yet if Germany had won the war your hero was ready to fcuk off and abandon us.... such a hero eh? The man was lucky to be in the right place at the right time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 2:02:47 GMT
Rest assured , they will seek to do so .....the fact that they are at Liberty to do so will be lost on the people that engage in the ridicule of him . And yet if Germany had won the war your hero was ready to fcuk off and abandon us.... such a hero eh? The man was lucky to be in the right place at the right time. I'm not quite sure what to make of this remark. Is it the work of a narrow minded ultra left wing lunatic , or someone who is clinically insane ? Suffice to say , that if Churchill had been an homosexual or of Middle Eastern decent then you may have been more compassionate and respectful. The fact that he was without doubt our greatest Prime Minister of all time seems lost on the likes of yourself , purely on the grounds of his politics. You have once again revealed yourself to be someone who should be pitied and possibly ridiculed , but I'll leave that to others. I am quite simply astounded. "The man was lucky to be in the right place at the right time " May I suggest that your right place is in a mental institution. Mumf
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 4:52:49 GMT
Wasn't Churchill famous for his put down of Nancy Astor.... Astor: Sir, you are drunk Churchill: yes and you madam are ugly. However tomorrow I will be sober. Or something like that. Or was it. Astor:If you were my husband I would poison you. Churchill:If you were my wife I would take it. Both are correct I think.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 25, 2015 8:41:59 GMT
And yet if Germany had won the war your hero was ready to fcuk off and abandon us.... such a hero eh? The man was lucky to be in the right place at the right time. I'm not quite sure what to make of this remark. Is it the work of a narrow minded ultra left wing lunatic , or someone who is clinically insane ? Suffice to say , that if Churchill had been an homosexual or of Middle Eastern decent then you may have been more compassionate and respectful. The fact that he was without doubt our greatest Prime Minister of all time seems lost on the likes of yourself , purely on the grounds of his politics. You have once again revealed yourself to be someone who should be pitied and possibly ridiculed , but I'll leave that to others. I am quite simply astounded. "The man was lucky to be in the right place at the right time " May I suggest that your right place is in a mental institution. Mumf All true...check it if you like matey. Also check out his role at Galipoli...frightening stuff.
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Post by harryburrows on Jan 25, 2015 8:51:50 GMT
Churchill was a great wartime leader of course, not everything he did was to his credit . His role in using the Black & Tans in Ireland for instance
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