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Post by kinetic on Jan 23, 2015 17:20:13 GMT
that means nothing mate....they're specifically talking about grooming for the purposes of prostitution. where exactly does it say that that is the ONLY way/means/method or reason that there is child prostitution? it doesn't even imply that or try to imply that so there's no way you can say that: 1) All child prostitution is a product of grooming or 2) where grooming for prostitution IS present, it all is ALL due to Sunni Muslims. you're using a complete false logic; because Sunni Muslims in Rotherham groomed girls into prostitution therefore all child prostitutes are groomed and therefore all groomed by Sunni Muslims and those figures can be used to extrapolate a figure to calculate the extent within the entire nation..it's the kind of logic that wouldn't stand up in a junior debating society comprised of 11 year olds without being torn to shreds within 30 seconds let alone stand up in any kind of political forum about the state of Islamic extremism in the country today. it's precisely those kind of ridiculous, lazy and generic assumptions and presumptions that lead to the misinformed, ignorant and narrow minded prejudices and hatred of certain sections of society that you're apparently trying to stand against!! you're using exactly the same kind of bizarre and twisted logic that (some by no means all) Sunni Muslims use to justify their hatred of the "West" as an excuse to carry out the abhorrent crimes that a minority of them do! We all know there are scum in all community's but who do you think the disproportionate Pakistanis are as the article say who are involved in it in Brum Sunni ? Yes ask why so many feel it's ok. We don't know the numbers cause government wont release them. Just ask why all born the same why do so many Sunni Muslims think its ok ? what made them think like this ??
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Post by kinetic on Jan 23, 2015 17:32:03 GMT
I think these pair answer it.
Don't upset the Sunni's just let them spread their hate Galloway style.
Henshaw the bigot ??
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Post by boothenpaddock86 on Jan 23, 2015 18:01:44 GMT
Mate dont wind yourself to much about it we all know it's a big problem but it's not exclusively a Sunni Muslim problem,government officials/mps allegedly have a lot to answer for,religion is here to stay for the foreseeable future so we shouldn't alienate people because of their beliefs,these communities are a sick as we are about what is going on.it's time we worked together to stop this behaviour How can we work together when Sunni Islam forbids it. Their way or the highway, there is no integration its not a Religion its a Political movement a life style guide a law maker what you can eat how you can dress how you wash who you marry the full package and everything else/one can go to hell. Not all Sunni muslims take every word in the Koran literally as many Christians don't take the bible literally it's about finding a medium between all religion,in my experience of 13yrs working with Muslims they respect other people and religions,don't take them all to be extremist as they are not
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 18:12:39 GMT
that means nothing mate....they're specifically talking about grooming for the purposes of prostitution. where exactly does it say that that is the ONLY way/means/method or reason that there is child prostitution? it doesn't even imply that or try to imply that so there's no way you can say that: 1) All child prostitution is a product of grooming or 2) where grooming for prostitution IS present, it all is ALL due to Sunni Muslims. you're using a complete false logic; because Sunni Muslims in Rotherham groomed girls into prostitution therefore all child prostitutes are groomed and therefore all groomed by Sunni Muslims and those figures can be used to extrapolate a figure to calculate the extent within the entire nation..it's the kind of logic that wouldn't stand up in a junior debating society comprised of 11 year olds without being torn to shreds within 30 seconds let alone stand up in any kind of political forum about the state of Islamic extremism in the country today. it's precisely those kind of ridiculous, lazy and generic assumptions and presumptions that lead to the misinformed, ignorant and narrow minded prejudices and hatred of certain sections of society that you're apparently trying to stand against!! you're using exactly the same kind of bizarre and twisted logic that (some by no means all) Sunni Muslims use to justify their hatred of the "West" as an excuse to carry out the abhorrent crimes that a minority of them do! We all know there are scum in all community's but who do you think the disproportionate Pakistanis are as the article say who are involved in it in Brum Sunni ? Yes ask why so many feel it's ok. We don't know the numbers cause government wont release them. Just ask why all born the same why do so many Sunni Muslims think its ok ? what made them think like this ?? I'd give it up mate. You're fighting a losing battle with some on here even though the evidence is so stacked against them it's laughable. Their tactics are to try and find any chink in the armour and then muddy the water. The facts of the matter are quite simply as you describe and no matter how others may try to prove otherwise they simply can't. Several Police forces including Greater Manchester , West Yorkshire and several others have already recognised the disproportionate link between the Pakistani and Muslim community in relation to various sex offences of various forms in comparison to whites. That it not to say that they are the sole perpetrators......but the most per capita of their social group in many areas of the country.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 18:19:54 GMT
that means nothing mate....they're specifically talking about grooming for the purposes of prostitution. where exactly does it say that that is the ONLY way/means/method or reason that there is child prostitution? it doesn't even imply that or try to imply that so there's no way you can say that: 1) All child prostitution is a product of grooming or 2) where grooming for prostitution IS present, it all is ALL due to Sunni Muslims. you're using a complete false logic; because Sunni Muslims in Rotherham groomed girls into prostitution therefore all child prostitutes are groomed and therefore all groomed by Sunni Muslims and those figures can be used to extrapolate a figure to calculate the extent within the entire nation..it's the kind of logic that wouldn't stand up in a junior debating society comprised of 11 year olds without being torn to shreds within 30 seconds let alone stand up in any kind of political forum about the state of Islamic extremism in the country today. it's precisely those kind of ridiculous, lazy and generic assumptions and presumptions that lead to the misinformed, ignorant and narrow minded prejudices and hatred of certain sections of society that you're apparently trying to stand against!! you're using exactly the same kind of bizarre and twisted logic that (some by no means all) Sunni Muslims use to justify their hatred of the "West" as an excuse to carry out the abhorrent crimes that a minority of them do! We all know there are scum in all community's but who do you think the disproportionate Pakistanis are as the article say who are involved in it in Brum Sunni ? Yes ask why so many feel it's ok. We don't know the numbers cause government wont release them. Just ask why all born the same why do so many Sunni Muslims think its ok ? what made them think like this ?? so you're admitting then that you actually have no facts or figures whatsoever to base your idea that "All sunni muslims are cunts" on then? Before you start tarring everyone with the same brush simply because of their particular sect of islam as being blind sheep who simply do what they're told, i suggest you read back over some of your own disgusting sweeping generalisations based on nothing but internet research (and particularly bad research at that) put together with your personal beliefs,twisted logic (using the term logic in it's loosest sense there) and wild accusations and assumptions and take a look in the mirror!!! Your ignorant and catch all assumptions are equally as blind to the facts,misplaced,inaccurate and dangerous in today's society as the beliefs you're disagreeing with.you're the kind of person that makes me ashamed to call myself British!
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Post by kinetic on Jan 23, 2015 18:36:47 GMT
How can we work together when Sunni Islam forbids it. Their way or the highway, there is no integration its not a Religion its a Political movement a life style guide a law maker what you can eat how you can dress how you wash who you marry the full package and everything else/one can go to hell. Not all Sunni muslims take every word in the Koran literally as many Christians don't take the bible literally it's about finding a medium between all religion,in my experience of 13yrs working with Muslims they respect other people and religions,don't take them all to be extremist as they are not I hope that's true. Cause the option are unthinkable. There most probs is Sunnis who don't follow their Religion/Death cult. Fact of the matter is thought the core value of Sunni Islam is based on the belief that the Prophet Muhammad died without appointing a successor to lead the Muslim community. So every Sunni Mosque teaches this like say that's the core value of it. So as of today every UK Sunni Mosque Cleric preaches the Quran as literal. Hopefully a new generation will see through the bullshit, I don't know ! I look around my town all I see is more and more Bearded adolescents dressed in robes with a women 5 paces behind them. I don't see it getting better. Hopefully I am wrong Christianity got its house kinnda in order 500yr ago so who knows. The Governments option of more appeasement wont help though. Sure they tried that with another Fascist ideology in the 1930s. That worked. Fingers need be pointed they have to get upset. Its what sorted Christianity out.
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Post by kinetic on Jan 23, 2015 18:39:05 GMT
We all know there are scum in all community's but who do you think the disproportionate Pakistanis are as the article say who are involved in it in Brum Sunni ? Yes ask why so many feel it's ok. We don't know the numbers cause government wont release them. Just ask why all born the same why do so many Sunni Muslims think its ok ? what made them think like this ?? I'd give it up mate. You're fighting a losing battle with some on here even though the evidence is so stacked against them it's laughable. Their tactics are to try and find any chink in the armour and then muddy the water. The facts of the matter are quite simply as you describe and no matter how others may try to prove otherwise they simply can't. Several Police forces including Greater Manchester , West Yorkshire and several others have already recognised the disproportionate link between the Pakistani and Muslim community in relation to various sex offences of various forms in comparison to whites. That it not to say that they are the sole perpetrators......but the most per capita of their social group in many areas of the country. Work in another hour. I be glad get there for a change.
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Post by kinetic on Jan 23, 2015 18:42:10 GMT
We all know there are scum in all community's but who do you think the disproportionate Pakistanis are as the article say who are involved in it in Brum Sunni ? Yes ask why so many feel it's ok. We don't know the numbers cause government wont release them. Just ask why all born the same why do so many Sunni Muslims think its ok ? what made them think like this ?? so you're admitting then that you actually have no facts or figures whatsoever to base your idea that "All sunni muslims are cunts" on then? Before you start tarring everyone with the same brush simply because of their particular sect of islam as being blind sheep who simply do what they're told, i suggest you read back over some of your own disgusting sweeping generalisations based on nothing but internet research (and particularly bad research at that) put together with your personal beliefs,twisted logic (using the term logic in it's loosest sense there) and wild accusations and assumptions and take a look in the mirror!!! Your ignorant and catch all assumptions are equally as blind to the facts,misplaced,inaccurate and dangerous in today's society as the beliefs you're disagreeing with.you're the kind of person that makes me ashamed to call myself British! Core value of Sunni Islam ??? good night soppy bollox.
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Post by boothenpaddock86 on Jan 23, 2015 18:44:07 GMT
Not all Sunni muslims take every word in the Koran literally as many Christians don't take the bible literally it's about finding a medium between all religion,in my experience of 13yrs working with Muslims they respect other people and religions,don't take them all to be extremist as they are not I hope that's true. Cause the option are unthinkable. There most probs is Sunnis who don't follow their Religion/Death cult. Fact of the matter is thought the core value of Sunni Islam is based on the belief that the Prophet Muhammad died without appointing a successor to lead the Muslim community. So every Sunni Mosque teaches this like say that's the core value of it. So as of today every UK Sunni Mosque Cleric preaches the Quran as literal. Hopefully a new generation will see through the bullshit, I don't know ! I look around my town all I see is more and more Bearded adolescents dressed in robes with a women 5 paces behind them. I don't see it getting better. Hopefully I am wrong Christianity got its house kinnda in order 500yr ago so who knows. The Governments option of more appeasement wont help though. Sure they tried that with another Fascist ideology in the 1930s. That worked. Fingers need be pointed they have to get upset. Its what sorted Christianity out. Good post,they can't do it on their own though,it's takes integration and understanding not alienation to solve this problem,they are just as keen to build a better society as we are
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jan 23, 2015 21:00:15 GMT
Well maybe they can start off by not grooming young white girls & getting them involved in drugs & prostitution.
A problem of massive proportions.
Paedophilia on a mass scale allowed to continue for decades.
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Post by kbillyh on Jan 23, 2015 21:22:41 GMT
Well maybe they can start off by not grooming young white girls & getting them involved in drugs & prostitution. A problem of massive proportions. Paedophilia on a mass scale allowed to continue for decades. Who you on about there whizz, our Asian neighbors or the privately educated elite?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jan 23, 2015 22:06:06 GMT
Hopefully I am wrong Christianity got its house kinnda in order 500yr ago so who knows. If you haven't heard anything about Christianity & young boys over the last 500 years I'd love to know what planet you're living on.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 23, 2015 22:57:34 GMT
I hope that's true. Cause the option are unthinkable. There most probs is Sunnis who don't follow their Religion/Death cult. Fact of the matter is thought the core value of Sunni Islam is based on the belief that the Prophet Muhammad died without appointing a successor to lead the Muslim community. So every Sunni Mosque teaches this like say that's the core value of it. So as of today every UK Sunni Mosque Cleric preaches the Quran as literal. Hopefully a new generation will see through the bullshit, I don't know ! I look around my town all I see is more and more Bearded adolescents dressed in robes with a women 5 paces behind them. I don't see it getting better. Hopefully I am wrong Christianity got its house kinnda in order 500yr ago so who knows. The Governments option of more appeasement wont help though. Sure they tried that with another Fascist ideology in the 1930s. That worked. Fingers need be pointed they have to get upset. Its what sorted Christianity out. Good post,they can't do it on their own though,it's takes integration and understanding not alienation to solve this problem,they are just as keen to build a better society as we are
It takes two to tango, they are just as keen to build a better society bull shit and that is becoming more transparent by the day.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 23, 2015 23:05:11 GMT
Well maybe they can start off by not grooming young white girls & getting them involved in drugs & prostitution. A problem of massive proportions. Paedophilia on a mass scale allowed to continue for decades. Vulnerable young white girls to be more precise, a problem ignored by many including our police force/service I wonder why ? what have we allowed to happen we should hang our heads in shame, to think of those who gave their lives for this.
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Post by jonah77 on Jan 24, 2015 6:07:27 GMT
Hopefully I am wrong Christianity got its house kinnda in order 500yr ago so who knows. If you haven't heard anything about Christianity & young boys over the last 500 years I'd love to know what planet you're living on. I'm pretty sure you know he's on about Christianity stopping attempts to forcibly convert the whole world, not a bunch of perverted catholic priests.
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Post by kinetic on Jan 24, 2015 7:25:37 GMT
Hopefully I am wrong Christianity got its house kinnda in order 500yr ago so who knows. If you haven't heard anything about Christianity & young boys over the last 500 years I'd love to know what planet you're living on. I know I aint Wordsworth but I thought the KINDDA might have been a big fuck off clue ??? I was more getting at preaching the fire and brimstone BS. Only one case of sexual assault in a religious place of prayer I can remember in my local area in the last ten years ?? Yeah you guest it a Sunni mosque/madrasa In Tunstall. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-12335032All the way back to the early 90s I think not 100% but I think if you want find any nonce priests around here ?
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Post by kinetic on Jan 24, 2015 7:46:18 GMT
I hope that's true. Cause the option are unthinkable. There most probs is Sunnis who don't follow their Religion/Death cult. Fact of the matter is thought the core value of Sunni Islam is based on the belief that the Prophet Muhammad died without appointing a successor to lead the Muslim community. So every Sunni Mosque teaches this like say that's the core value of it. So as of today every UK Sunni Mosque Cleric preaches the Quran as literal. Hopefully a new generation will see through the bullshit, I don't know ! I look around my town all I see is more and more Bearded adolescents dressed in robes with a women 5 paces behind them. I don't see it getting better. Hopefully I am wrong Christianity got its house kinnda in order 500yr ago so who knows. The Governments option of more appeasement wont help though. Sure they tried that with another Fascist ideology in the 1930s. That worked. Fingers need be pointed they have to get upset. Its what sorted Christianity out. Good post,they can't do it on their own though,it's takes integration and understanding not alienation to solve this problem,they are just as keen to build a better society as we are This is worth a listen Shag the leader of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community with his thought's on fighting extremism in the wider Muslim community. They would know best Sunnis have persecuted them for centuries. You wont agree with everything hes got say but I thought it was interesting when he mentions his followers are refused service in the local Muslim shops. If they will still persecute followers of the same book what chance has the infidel got ?? www.lbc.co.uk/muslim-spiritual-leader-arm-all-police-to-stop-extremists-103527
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 24, 2015 9:16:43 GMT
We all know there are scum in all community's but who do you think the disproportionate Pakistanis are as the article say who are involved in it in Brum Sunni ? Yes ask why so many feel it's ok. We don't know the numbers cause government wont release them. Just ask why all born the same why do so many Sunni Muslims think its ok ? what made them think like this ?? so you're admitting then that you actually have no facts or figures whatsoever to base your idea that "All sunni muslims are cunts" on then? Before you start tarring everyone with the same brush simply because of their particular sect of islam as being blind sheep who simply do what they're told, i suggest you read back over some of your own disgusting sweeping generalisations based on nothing but internet research (and particularly bad research at that) put together with your personal beliefs,twisted logic (using the term logic in it's loosest sense there) and wild accusations and assumptions and take a look in the mirror!!! Your ignorant and catch all assumptions are equally as blind to the facts,misplaced,inaccurate and dangerous in today's society as the beliefs you're disagreeing with.you're the kind of person that makes me ashamed to call myself British! I would like to call myself English, however it would most likely be taken as a racist term in my own country , time for change you fucking bet it is.
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Post by boothenpaddock86 on Jan 24, 2015 16:31:07 GMT
Good post,they can't do it on their own though,it's takes integration and understanding not alienation to solve this problem,they are just as keen to build a better society as we are This is worth a listen Shag the leader of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community with his thought's on fighting extremism in the wider Muslim community. They would know best Sunnis have persecuted them for centuries. You wont agree with everything hes got say but I thought it was interesting when he mentions his followers are refused service in the local Muslim shops. If they will still persecute followers of the same book what chance has the infidel got ?? www.lbc.co.uk/muslim-spiritual-leader-arm-all-police-to-stop-extremists-103527Yes it's an honest interview,although I don't agree with arming police I think it's a very good idea to record sermons and even publish online,I've been to a speech given by the Ahmadiyya Muslim community at my local town hall found them very welcoming and positive(free food and drink etc) any objection to this would raise suspicions about their motives and rightly so
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Post by Nick1984 on Jan 25, 2015 20:39:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 23:48:09 GMT
e I never realised how sunny it was in Rochdale.....
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Post by kinetic on Jan 26, 2015 12:23:52 GMT
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 29, 2015 19:38:57 GMT
Now we have Pakistani scum going out Jew bashing on the streets of England.
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Post by elsidibe on Jan 29, 2015 21:32:23 GMT
Now we have Pakistani scum going out Jew bashing on the streets of England. How do you know they're Pakistani, or was the "stani" bit unintentional?
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 29, 2015 21:39:23 GMT
Now we have Pakistani scum going out Jew bashing on the streets of England. How do you know they're Pakistani, or was the "stani" bit unintentional? Try doing some research , not understanding the stani quote are you a racist, they originate from Pakistan I believe the plural is Pakistani's as in fact there was more than one who carried out this cowardly attack , I think scum is about right in this context do you ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 21:40:19 GMT
Now we have Pakistani scum going out Jew bashing on the streets of England. How do you know they're Pakistani, or was the "stani" bit unintentional? Good point , but for purposes of free and open debate and not wishing to be pedantic , let's just settle on 'Fuzzie' ....
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 29, 2015 21:59:35 GMT
How do you know they're Pakistani, or was the "stani" bit unintentional? Good point , but for purposes of free and open debate and not wishing to be pedantic , let's just settle on 'Fuzzie' .... They could have been Australian, what would we call them then god forbid Aussies how racist would that be .
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Post by elsidibe on Jan 29, 2015 22:26:46 GMT
How do you know they're Pakistani, or was the "stani" bit unintentional? Good point , but for purposes of free and open debate and not wishing to be pedantic , let's just settle on 'Fuzzie' .... I've never understood your definition of "Fuzzie" to be honest mumf. Can you elaborate? And can it apply to UK nationals?
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Post by elsidibe on Jan 29, 2015 22:36:02 GMT
How do you know they're Pakistani, or was the "stani" bit unintentional? Try doing some research , not understanding the stani quote are you a racist, they originate from Pakistan I believe the plural is Pakistani's as in fact there was more than one who carried out this cowardly attack , I think scum is about right in this context do you ? I agree they're horrible cowardly little scummers yes but how is their Pakistani heritage (if they have any) relevant to them being bad people? When Stephen Lawrence was stabbed, did you refer to his assailants as "white scum" or "Caucasian scum"?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 23:44:33 GMT
Good point , but for purposes of free and open debate and not wishing to be pedantic , let's just settle on 'Fuzzie' .... I've never understood your definition of "Fuzzie" to be honest mumf. Can you elaborate? And can it apply to UK nationals? My definition of 'Fuzzie' as opposed to the historical reference is slightly different. My definition is ' non specific foreign generic nationality '.
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