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Post by Nick1984 on Jan 10, 2015 19:28:34 GMT
www.barenakedislam.com/A lot of discussion lately about Islam and how it is linked to the terrorist attacks not only in the past week, but throughout the modern age. What links the atrocities we see every day in the news the a book written over a millennia ago? "These terrorise don't represent Islam, Islam is about peace"www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/qurayza_jews.htm"In AD 627, Muhammad committed an atrocity against the last remaining major tribe of Jews in Medina: the Qurayza.
He beheaded the men and the pubescent boys and enslaved the women and children. In doing this, he wiped an entire tribe "off the map" to use the language of the President of Iran, recently.""These terrorists don't represent Islam, Muhammad would never have allowed this."wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Killings_Ordered_or_Supported_by_Muhammad"Kill 'Asma' bint Marwan for opposing Muhammad with poetry and for provoking others to attack him"
"Kill the Jewish poet Abu Afak for opposing Muhammad through poetry"Poets, cartoonists, Muhammad ordered them dead for opposing him through literature.  
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Post by salopstick on Jan 10, 2015 19:48:57 GMT
A bit harsh considering the killing done in the name of Christ
But Islamic extremism is definitely a scourge on this planet It is very difficult to change the opinion of a fanatic
Whilst they believe killing in the name of Islam leads to a death in paradise can't see it changing anytime soon.
The main leaders of Islam and rulers of some of the more scarier Islamic nations need to do more to stop this rise imo
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Post by harryburrows on Jan 10, 2015 20:03:15 GMT
A bit harsh considering the killing done in the name of Christ But Islamic extremism is definitely a scourge on this planet It is very difficult to change the opinion of a fanatic Whilst they believe killing in the name of Islam leads to a death in paradise can't see it changing anytime soon. The main leaders of Islam and rulers of some of the more scarier Islamic nations need to do more to stop this rise imo The only way to end this extremism is for the mainstream Muslim community to change its approach . A few moderate clerics offering apologies isn't good enough . They have stood by for too long and allowed this cancer to grow within their faith . Extremists are killing plenty of fellow Muslims in Nigeria , Syria, afghan and Pakistan they need to face up to their responsibilities |
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Post by Nick1984 on Jan 10, 2015 20:04:17 GMT
A bit harsh considering the killing done in the name of Christ But Islamic extremism is definitely a scourge on this planet It is very difficult to change the opinion of a fanatic Whilst they believe killing in the name of Islam leads to a death in paradise can't see it changing anytime soon. The main leaders of Islam and rulers of some of the more scarier Islamic nations need to do more to stop this rise imoWhen the governments of countries like Saudi Arabia have laws like this... www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/09/saudi-blogger-first-lashes-raif-badawi...it's hard to see them doing anything. A representative of the Saudi government condemned the terrorist attacks yesterday, although I'm pretty sure anyone who draws cartoons of Muhammad in SA would be beheaded. |
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Post by boothenboy75 on Jan 10, 2015 20:10:09 GMT
A bit like all religions, there are those that believe nearly every word of the fairy tale. It does seem that Islam entertains a far greater number of these zealots than anywhere else. If only a country could be found to let them entertain there fantasies. Any ideas where?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 20:11:18 GMT
All religion is an advanced form of mental illness
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Post by salopstick on Jan 10, 2015 20:20:30 GMT
And the killing in the name of Islam in Africa is separate to the Middle East so I don't take the accusations that it's all to do with western policies
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jan 10, 2015 20:24:58 GMT
Our problem in UK is that we are in the pockets of Saudi Arabia because of oil and probably because they provide funding for Conservatives or whoever is in governement. The French are much more fundamental in their opposition to anyhting that threatens their identity probably because of the occupation by the Nazis during WW2. This is the same with Russia and Israel. We have to break this link with Saudi Arabia if we have any chance of defeating Islamic fundamentalism. Will it happen that is the question?
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Post by desman2 on Jan 10, 2015 20:28:10 GMT
And the killing in the name of Islam in Africa is separate to the Middle East so I don't take the accusations that it's all to do with western policies Using the "its all the fault of the west" excuse is an excuse owned by the progressive liberal left to justify their totally irrational dogma. |
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Post by Nick1984 on Jan 10, 2015 20:28:40 GMT
Our problem in UK is that we are in the pockets of Saudi Arabia because of oil and probably because they provide funding for Conservatives or whoever is in governement. The French are much more fundamental in their opposition to anyhting that threatens their identity probably because of the occupation by the Nazis during WW2. This is the same with Russia and Israel. We have to break this link with Saudi Arabia if we have any chance of defeating Islamic fundamentalism. Will it happen that is the question?It's a matter of time... www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/9523903/Saudis-may-run-out-of-oil-to-export-by-2030.html |
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Post by Linx on Jan 10, 2015 20:28:43 GMT
The trouble with Islam is that it is still in the Middle Ages.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 21:24:14 GMT
The trouble with Islam is that it is still in the Middle Ages. It is ....from the wearing of inappropriate clothing to the eating with your fingers , to the arranged marriages and the mutilation of female genitalia. No one can argue that this is acceptable in 2015 . Forty years ago we put a man on the moon . 500 years ago we used utensils to eat with. I will never accept that all Muslims follow this practise , or have Jihadist ideals but the fact is that's its a numbers game. If you have 5 million currently living in this country , then what proportion are 'bad eggs'. ? I don't know is the answer. What I do know is that there are 1000 who have chose to fight in the name of their religion. I also know that the barbaric slaughter of innocent citizens is absolutely abhorrent and beyond contempt. If the EDL or BNP did the same in this country then the detractors or defenders of the radicals may have a strong defence to their argument ....but they don't. |
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Post by pieman72 on Jan 10, 2015 21:48:40 GMT
I am not religious but everyone hates Stoke City and Everyone throughout history has persecuted the Jews. So I think we have a lot in common never mind the spuds I may turn to Judaism as a stoke fan
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Post by dobing1863 on Jan 10, 2015 21:59:57 GMT
I think a lot of killing in the name of Christ took place in the Middle Ages ,we have moved on unlike these morons
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Post by Nick1984 on Jan 10, 2015 22:38:42 GMT
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jan 10, 2015 22:54:03 GMT
And the killing in the name of Islam in Africa is separate to the Middle East so I don't take the accusations that it's all to do with western policies Whilst not falling for the "it's all about western policies" bollocks either, Boko Haram (the Muslim nutters in Africa) translates to Western Education is Forbidden, so in effect, it's the same deluded cause. Either they get educated like western society, and eventually realise that all religion is nonsense, or it will only continue to get worse. |
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 10, 2015 23:31:00 GMT
And the killing in the name of Islam in Africa is separate to the Middle East so I don't take the accusations that it's all to do with western policies Whilst not falling for the "it's all about western policies" bollocks either, Boko Haram (the Muslim nutters in Africa) translates to Western Education is Forbidden, so in effect, it's the same deluded cause. Either they get educated like western society, and eventually realise that all religion is nonsense, or it will only continue to get worse. We will welcome them with open arms  |
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Post by starkiller on Jan 10, 2015 23:40:05 GMT
The biggest perpetrators of war and slaughter are western countries/leaders, and this has been the case for centuries. Dwarfing the casualties caused by Muslims.
But don't let that simple fact stop the hysteria.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 23:44:24 GMT
The biggest perpetrators of war and slaughter are western countries/leaders, and this has been the case for centuries. Dwarfing the casualties caused by Muslims. But don't let that simple fact stop the hysteria. No...not true . The biggest perpetrators are Africa and Asia . C'mon .... "But don't let that simple fact stop the hysteria"  |
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 10, 2015 23:45:15 GMT
The biggest perpetrators of war and slaughter are western countries/leaders, and this has been the case for centuries. Dwarfing the casualties caused by Muslims. But don't let that simple fact stop the hysteria. So you find the recent atrocities acceptable do you. |
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Post by starkiller on Jan 10, 2015 23:51:36 GMT
The biggest perpetrators of war and slaughter are western countries/leaders, and this has been the case for centuries. Dwarfing the casualties caused by Muslims. But don't let that simple fact stop the hysteria. So you find the recent atrocities acceptable do you. Let's just retrace those mental gymnastics... |
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Post by starkiller on Jan 10, 2015 23:55:51 GMT
The biggest perpetrators of war and slaughter are western countries/leaders, and this has been the case for centuries. Dwarfing the casualties caused by Muslims. But don't let that simple fact stop the hysteria. No...not true . The biggest perpetrators are Africa and Asia . C'mon .... "But don't let that simple fact stop the hysteria" Yeah, of course. Must be all of that sailing around the world and invading they did, as well as all of the nukes they've got... |
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 10, 2015 23:59:40 GMT
So you find the recent atrocities acceptable do you. Let's just retrace those mental gymnastics... Straight forward answer will do yes or no, no need for mental gymnastics or is that to straight forward for yourself, the fence that you sit on is pretty much fucked duck. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 0:02:28 GMT
No...not true . The biggest perpetrators are Africa and Asia . C'mon .... "But don't let that simple fact stop the hysteria" Yeah, of course. Must be all of that sailing around the world and invading they did, as well as all of the nukes they've got... So why do you spout shit that you know is bullshit. You're just fucking daft beyond belief. David Icke Mark II Who do you think you are kidding ? Huddy's fair game I suppose ...but his empire is a two bedroomed flat and is easy prey. |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 11, 2015 0:12:27 GMT
Yeah, of course. Must be all of that sailing around the world and invading they did, as well as all of the nukes they've got... So why do you spout shit that you know is bullshit. You're just fucking daft beyond belief. David Icke Mark II Who do you think you are kidding ? Huddy's fair game I suppose ...but his empire is a two bedroomed flat and is easy prey. Insults and cheap jibes...the words of a man who's lost the plot and the argument. Go WUM somewhere else eh? |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 11, 2015 0:16:36 GMT
 Says it all really... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 0:16:57 GMT
So why do you spout shit that you know is bullshit. You're just fucking daft beyond belief. David Icke Mark II Who do you think you are kidding ? Huddy's fair game I suppose ...but his empire is a two bedroomed flat and is easy prey. Insults and cheap jibes...the words of a man who's lost the plot and the argument. Go WUM somewhere else eh? That wasn't a cheap jibe ...that was an honest appraisal of you and of those you associate with, |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 0:20:31 GMT
Says it all really... Why do you keep posting provocative anti western propaganda ? Do you think we can't access such politically sensitive material ourselves. Even I can ...and I'm from Fegg Hayes. |
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Post by desman2 on Jan 11, 2015 0:24:19 GMT
Says it all really... Actually Huddy mate its 2,012 |
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Post by britsabroad on Jan 11, 2015 0:25:39 GMT
All the bringing up other religions / atrocities etc is just a diversion by people who have nothing useful to say but want to be invited to the party anyway. All theyre doing is stopping the others finding the answer to the problem.
Ive a fairly pragmatic view of all this; ive not read the Qu'ran but im sure from what i know that Islam as a faith is no worse than any other, but Islam as an organised religion is a problem that needs to be accepted before it can be addressed. We cant keep labelling these people as outliers when there are tens/hundreds of thousands across MEA lining up to hurt all of us.
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