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Post by lordb on Jan 4, 2015 10:25:49 GMT
Yes definitely. £3m outlay Get your money back fairly soon and then you make money thereafter. No brainer.
Presume the opposite corner would be much more expensive,as such would be hesitant to commit to that.
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Post by Billybigbollox on Jan 4, 2015 10:30:13 GMT
You're a single parent of three, but the kids only come over twice a week. Do you A: buy a two seater smart car? Do you B: buy a sensible four seater hatchback? Mazda mx 5. It's a fanny magnet, smart car will never get you laid.
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Post by Gods on Jan 4, 2015 10:35:17 GMT
I'd like to see us do it but I am 100% certain the business case is non existent.
So we get 2000 extra seats and lets split the difference and say they the result is that our gates go up by 1000 on average.
Those extra seats would be occupied by season ticket holders, pay of the day'ers for Prem games and Cup games and be occupied by a mixture of adults and concessions, lets be generous and say the average paid per seats is £20.
So roughly 20 games a season, with an additional 1000 ticket sales at an extra £20 per seat equates to an additional £400k in revenue per annum.
Of course those extra seats would need to be administered, sold, cleaned, maintained all of those good things so lets say that costs an extra £100k per annum so the net extra revenue is about £300k per annum.
Anyone know what the cost would be to extend the corner? I have no idea but if it were say £3 million then the payback would be 10 years and that assumes we stay in the Premier League for the next years, if we don't then all bets are off, it's a wash out.
I simply can't imagine that Bet365 would typically entertain any project which has such a long pay back and such a high risk.
I feel like it needs someone to take a risk of the kind they would not usually make.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jan 4, 2015 10:35:46 GMT
I really don't think we'd have much bother shifting another 2500 seats. A bit of creative marketing from the club would go a long way. There's two universities local that we should be targeting for a start. If all else fails and we cant shift the tickets we could always give more to the away fans.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2015 10:49:49 GMT
I reckon any Leeds - Sheffield - Bolton - Blackburn - Ipswich - Norwich - Derby - Nottingham fans reading this would now immediately conclude:-
HAHAH ! they're in the premiership right now but do not believe they are going to stay there for the long haul
Whereas - We (Stoke) should be thinking = EVERTON - ASTON VILLA - SPURS etc i.e. 30k+ clubs that hardly / don't worry about relegation
recognising they're established and massively difficult to dislodge
Never a better time to do the right thing ground wise - if anything about 1 -2 years overdue - even our fans dither
A 30K stadium opens the door to this type of thinking (allows us to take on internantional games too) and takes us beyond a 'Fucking West Brom yo -yo ' type mentality
Have you seen their corners ? = embarrassing joke of a club
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Post by ceejays on Jan 4, 2015 11:08:00 GMT
The reason they dont fill in the corners is to do with making the Britannia a fortress. It creates blustery conditions which as Shawcross said after Man U 'we are used to it '. Question is have we now progressed beyond the smaller pitch,blustery conditions,siege mentality that has kept us in the premier league ? Guess current home record would support filling in the corners but once done that 'advantage' that was the brainchild of TP has gone
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Post by localloser on Jan 4, 2015 11:54:31 GMT
Apologies if this has already been mentioned in this thread but the other thing that has to be borne in mind when considering increasing the ground capacity is the infrastructure.. Already people are (rightly) complaining that it takes a ridiculous length of time to get away after a game. Adding extra people would merely add to the chaos. There needs to be a whole-systems approach to this, and the powers that be need to have a five year plan based on staying in the Premier league. They have started along the right lines with the improvements to the academy and the training facilities but they do need to have a clear vision of where they need to be in 5 years time rather than having short-term, knee-jerk responses to changing situations. Then, as others have repeatedly said in other threads, the club then needs to put this out in the public domain so that everyone is in the picture.
But there does need to be an improvement in the access arrangements, both for cars and pedestrians.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 4, 2015 11:57:03 GMT
The reason they dont fill in the corners is to do with making the Britannia a fortress. It creates blustery conditions which as Shawcross said after Man U 'we are used to it '. Question is have we now progressed beyond the smaller pitch,blustery conditions,siege mentality that has kept us in the premier league ? Guess current home record would support filling in the corners but once done that 'advantage' that was the brainchild of TP has gone Do you really believe this rubbish?
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Post by barmystokie1 on Jan 4, 2015 12:27:38 GMT
Its small time mentality plain and simple after 7 years to just think about c.2000 seats in purely financial terms in my opinion.
Granted the additional income will be relative peanuts in comparison with the TV money we receive, however the single most important reason to build the corner is that the average age of match day go-ers across the Premiership is increasing and therefore a long-term strategy is required in order to negate this trend. Stoke should use the additional capacity to encourage families to regularly attend in order to reduce the average age otherwise it will eventually hurt us in the long-term. This is because it is usually those brought up actually attending matches who get Stoke trapped in their blood who will continue to do so throughout their lives (where possible) no matter what league we find ourselves in. Moreover, these kids when they grow up from the age of 16-30 will normally become part of the "hard core" away following and the ones creating the so called "atmosphere" that most would argue have a genuine effect on our results.
Combine these genuinely important reasons for Stoke's bread & butter in terms of us actually winning matches with the many factors others have mentioned such as showing ambition, trying to host european matches, improving aesthetics etc... makes it a no brainer for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2015 12:43:40 GMT
Stoke City is a world wide brand mind
its not now just about Stoke on Trent (and the 6 sometimes medieval villages of which it comprises)
its about a corridor 15 - 20 miles wide, either side of the M6 from Thelwall viadust down to the midlands (past Stafford)
its about international fans clubs in Scandanavia extending to the US and beyond
As Ive said before, to those on here still in their 'mud huts' - insular and obsolete and 'smalltown'
STOKE CITY - Its a massive worldwide brand now
a 30k stadium is a minimum requirement - and its overdue
some people need to 'get with the programme' as they say
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Post by lordb on Jan 4, 2015 12:47:08 GMT
I'd like to see us do it but I am 100% certain the business case is non existent. So we get 2000 extra seats and lets split the difference and say they the result is that our gates go up by 1000 on average. Those extra seats would be occupied by season ticket holders, pay of the day'ers for Prem games and Cup games and be occupied by a mixture of adults and concessions, lets be generous and say the average paid per seats is £20. So roughly 20 games a season, with an additional 1000 ticket sales at an extra £20 per seat equates to an additional £400k in revenue per annum. Of course those extra seats would need to be administered, sold, cleaned, maintained all of those good things so lets say that costs an extra £100k per annum so the net extra revenue is about £300k per annum. Anyone know what the cost would be to extend the corner? I have no idea but if it were say £3 million then the payback would be 10 years and that assumes we stay in the Premier League for the next years, if we don't then all bets are off, it's a wash out. I simply can't imagine that Bet365 would typically entertain any project which has such a long pay back and such a high risk. I feel like it needs someone to take a risk of the kind they would not usually make. If they were only going to go up by 1000 I wouldn't do it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2015 12:54:43 GMT
It about the choice it brings in ticketing and pricing too - greater capacity to be flexible
its a 'total bugger' being a walk in these-days - surely any fan knows this
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Post by fortressbritannia on Jan 4, 2015 13:03:05 GMT
In the event of us increasing the capacity wouldn't we have to offer an increased away allocation. Aren't the present rules that you have to offer away teams 10% of the capacity or 3,000 tickets (whichever is the lowest) I'm not sure on whether that is still the case.
I've never been in the south stand wouldn't work needed to be done in the concourse to separate supporters? Also wouldn't season tickets holders in the south stand be forced to move, to potentially more expensive seats or seats with a worse view plus could they get seats together?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2015 13:27:49 GMT
Whilst I believe this in time, might be crucial to the future of our club, I therefor cannot express how passionate I feel and care about this issue
Been coming down since 1970 and have witnessed many times since then the club faced with massive choices as to a future direction
- it frankly amazes me a decision was taken to move to a new ground - but we can stand back now and admit
it was correct
So
Whilst us 'armchair strategisits' debate this at length I believe an absolutely clear direction on this is essential from our club
are we extending or not this coming summer ?
and if not WHY NOT ?
But when you take all in perspective right now - RIGHT NOW - Actually this is not even a 'big call' in the overall scheme of things anymore when you look at it
and, that's what frustrates me most of all
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