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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jan 3, 2015 18:34:45 GMT
I'm yet to read any convincing argument about why we shouldn't (unless we're waiting for safe standing to be allowed, but Coatesy doesn't seem to be a fan).
We should definitely be looking at growing the fanbase and if that involves flogging cheap tickets to schools for the less glamourous matches, then so be it. It'll help to bring through a new generation of Stokies, people get their seats together for the big matches, brilliant.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 3, 2015 18:39:42 GMT
Any other club in our position would have a three year plan to COMPLETE the ground, starting with the scoreboard corner. During that time they could get off their LAZY ARSES and market the club and sell the tickets. We could piss a 35K stadium IMO as long as the product is right on the pitch, which there is no reason why it shouldn't.
Small minded lazy fools are the only thing stopping us.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jan 3, 2015 18:42:42 GMT
As has been said, let's see how many turn up tomorrow.
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Post by sportsman on Jan 3, 2015 18:48:12 GMT
It's costing more to build bet365 offices than to till a corner in.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 3, 2015 19:10:07 GMT
As has been said, let's see how many turn up tomorrow. It's got no real relevance though has it how many turn up tomorrow. It's like saying 'we only get 200 for under 21 games so we shouldn't fill the corner in'. It's the bread and butter games ie league games we should be measuring it on and by that standard it's a no brainer.
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Post by lordb on Jan 3, 2015 19:29:02 GMT
How about,including a return to terracing (and the pricing that goes with it) we increase capacity to 40000 and build a second 15000 stadium (say on the old Victoria Ground) for diddy games.
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Post by y2j on Jan 3, 2015 19:45:48 GMT
I'm still not convinced either way as empty seats (empty corners etc) would take the fear away for opposing teams & fans. The wind issues would be gone and the atmosphere perhaps dropped because of this. If they do it they need to:
1. Reduce season tkt prices again to say £299. They would still mAke more than we currently do and would appeal to more people.
2. Free tickets for schools outside of Stoke again to attract kids to us.
3. More tkt's for away fans
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Jan 3, 2015 20:01:19 GMT
As has been said, let's see how many turn up tomorrow. I'm not being funny mate, but if we were to change our ground to coincide with cup match attendances, we'd be knocking down one of our stands. As would every other club in the football league. That's how much cup football has fallen, unfortunately.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jan 3, 2015 20:24:46 GMT
As has been said, let's see how many turn up tomorrow. I'm not being funny mate, but if we were to change our ground to coincide with cup match attendances, we'd be knocking down one of our stands. As would every other club in the football league. That's how much cup football has fallen, unfortunately. But why. If people are so desperate to see a game and sit with friends or family then surly it doesn't matter who we are playing. A cup game would be the ideal game for them?
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Post by lordb on Jan 3, 2015 20:25:51 GMT
I'm not being funny mate, but if we were to change our ground to coincide with cup match attendances, we'd be knocking down one of our stands. As would every other club in the football league. That's how much cup football has fallen, unfortunately. But why. If people are so desperate to see a game and sit with friends or family then surly it doesn't matter who we are playing. A cup game would be the ideal game for them? Because people want to watch Premiership games.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jan 3, 2015 20:31:52 GMT
But why. If people are so desperate to see a game and sit with friends or family then surly it doesn't matter who we are playing. A cup game would be the ideal game for them? Because people want to watch Premiership games. Exactly!!!!!!!!!
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Post by lordb on Jan 3, 2015 20:33:05 GMT
And your point is?
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jan 3, 2015 20:35:10 GMT
Prem ponces who will piss off as soon as the going get tough.
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Post by lordb on Jan 3, 2015 20:36:24 GMT
Ok let's make the ground smaller for when we go down.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jan 3, 2015 20:40:25 GMT
Ok let's make the ground smaller for when we go down. Seriously what is the point of expanding when you just know that if we get relegated (at any time) people will stop going in their droves. We will be sat in a stadium that will look shocking.
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Post by andylgr on Jan 3, 2015 20:46:56 GMT
Ok let's make the ground smaller for when we go down. Seriously what is the point of expanding when you just know that if we get relegated (at any time) people will stop going in their droves. We will be sat in a stadium that will look shocking. Nothing like a positive outlook.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jan 3, 2015 20:48:42 GMT
Seriously what is the point of expanding when you just know that if we get relegated (at any time) people will stop going in their droves. We will be sat in a stadium that will look shocking. Nothing like a positive outlook. I can just see it happening mate, that's all. Each to their own but I would leave well alone.
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Post by lordb on Jan 3, 2015 20:52:53 GMT
Why buy good players when we will go down eventually? We will only have to sell them.
We had a 28000 capacity from 1997 to 2008,we didn't need it. Was it really a problem?
If we end up with a stadium with tons of empty seats the argument US that it will ruin the atmosphere. I don't believe that adding less than 2000 extra seats will be a problem.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 3, 2015 20:58:32 GMT
Ok let's make the ground smaller for when we go down. Seriously what is the point of expanding when you just know that if we get relegated (at any time) people will stop going in their droves. We will be sat in a stadium that will look shocking. I'd rather have a half empty stadium with the corners filled than a half empty stadium with big gaps in the corners. It's about aesthetics as well
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Post by parttimelurker on Jan 3, 2015 21:01:02 GMT
If the club thinks that they will make money then they'll build them, if they don't, they won't.
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Post by foster on Jan 3, 2015 23:03:42 GMT
Nothing like a positive outlook. I can just see it happening mate, that's all. Each to their own but I would leave well alone. I think you need to get with the times. You lack faith in both the clubs ambition, capacity to grow, and fans. Completely adverse to any change whatsoever.
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Jan 3, 2015 23:10:52 GMT
You're a single parent of three, but the kids only come over twice a week.
Do you A: buy a two seater smart car?
Do you B: buy a sensible four seater hatchback?
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Post by Gods on Jan 3, 2015 23:14:54 GMT
If we do extend it would be nice to at least get over the magical 30,000 mark and join that elite club. Given I am certain there is no business case to be made which would pass even the weakest of the Bet365 usual criteria then in essence it is a vanity project. But to have a vanity project which takes us from 27,500 to 29,500 I don't quite see the point of. Would be like having a penis extension which took you from 7 and a half inches to seven and seven eights, you'd have to go for the full eight inches right or not at all
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Post by keasie1863 on Jan 4, 2015 9:19:26 GMT
Ok let's make the ground smaller for when we go down. Seriously what is the point of expanding when you just know that if we get relegated (at any time) people will stop going in their droves. We will be sat in a stadium that will look shocking. "live for today". Worry about tomorrow, if and when it happens.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jan 4, 2015 9:51:21 GMT
Seriously what is the point of expanding when you just know that if we get relegated (at any time) people will stop going in their droves. We will be sat in a stadium that will look shocking. You can't keep saying "What if we get relegated?" and use that as a reason to never expand. What if we don't get relegated for another 25 years? Spend five of those seasons in Europe, sixteen of them in the top-half? We've already missed out on 6/7 years where we could have had more people in the ground, lets not miss out on anymore.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jan 4, 2015 9:59:43 GMT
But it isn't just relegation. Once the novelty wears off or prices go up, which they prob will if we expand then people will drift away. There is no waiting list for season tickets and there are empty seats for nearly every game. If they didn't give tickets away there would be empty seats at every game. Block the corners off if needs must but the extra seating would be a waste of money in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2015 10:06:49 GMT
Increase the capacity and grow the fan base. Or in laymans terms, get off your lazy backsides and do your job!
If the businessmen at this club can't sell tickets now they never will.
Get into the schools and youth clubs and promote the club. Cheaper tickets if needed but get bums on seats.
A 3 year old could do it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2015 10:12:07 GMT
'it'll be empty when we get relegated'
Such a mindset DESERVES relegation
We're talking 2500 seats here and one corner (footings in Planning done)
JESUS CHRIST - I Despair !
This is what holds you back folks !
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Post by lordb on Jan 4, 2015 10:16:46 GMT
But it isn't just relegation. Once the novelty wears off or prices go up, which they prob will if we expand then people will drift away. There is no waiting list for season tickets and there are empty seats for nearly every game. If they didn't give tickets away there would be empty seats at every game. Block the corners off if needs must but the extra seating would be a waste of money in my opinion. 'Once the novelty wears off' It's been just the seven years since promotion. Novelty hasn't worn off,instead 10000+ extra Stokies have committed to week in week out to going to the game. That's despite the worst economic crisis since the thirties,that's despite every Stoke match being free in pubs a cross the area. If you removed 5000 seats there wouldn't be a waiting list and there would be odd seats not sold as that's how crowds work in all seater stadiums. 1900 extra seats. The idea that at least 1800 of those wouldn't be sold for every single Premiership game is absurd. Frankly I could understand the anti arguments if we were looking at a large extension,an extra 10000 at huge cost would be risky. 1900 for reportedly less than £3m is no risk at all.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Jan 4, 2015 10:21:28 GMT
Haha. Would you invest in it if it was your cash? I certainly wouldn't!
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