heisenberg
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Post by heisenberg on Nov 13, 2014 17:35:21 GMT
Mate, I live in Sheffield, we are talking alot more than 20. United fans have adopted a siege mentality on this one. Check the Blades website to gather some indication of how this mob is trying to galvanise sympathy and support through projecting themselves as being victimised by some kind of imaginary feminist mob supported by an imaginary PC media. The vitriol and hatred towards any woman who dares to voice the opinion that sexual violence against women is unacceptable is truly disturbing. I kind of agree with them. Where was this movement with regards to Pennant, Hughes, Marlon King? This odd sort of feminist movement has got Dapper Laughs (who is a twat) banned from TV. Fair enough, but why is Frankie Boyle still around? Ched Evans has the same right to return to work as any ex-offender. To deny him his rights would be shocking and would show the justice service in a bad light. And what the fuck has Nick Clegg got to do with this? The Dapper thing is ridiculous!
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Post by bazzaboy666 on Nov 13, 2014 18:07:12 GMT
Life ruined by the ultra feminist media.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 13, 2014 18:09:39 GMT
Life ruined by the ultra feminist media. Correct.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 18:35:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 20:19:19 GMT
What infuriates me more than anything is peoples blissful ignorance of the sentence received by Ched Evans.
The man has spent 30 months in custody...that's a bloody long time to have your liberty taken away.
Now...phrases like "he's only done half, that's not his sentence" or "why did he get parole, he's a rapist" or "probation shouldn't have let him out" are all I'll informed, misjudged quotes of nonsense.
He was sentenced to a determinate sentence...the determination being 5 years. Under the Criminal Justice Act 2003...an Act of Parliament....this means be will serve half in custody and half on supervision licence in the community. There is no choice or decision...Parliament have already decided that.
Now....He has his matter awaiting an appeal I believe. If so, why would he apologise?
To suggest....oh he has been convicted by a jury of his peers so must accept it is nonsense. Just ask the Birmingham Six!
As for whether he should pursue a career in football? Well that's his choice (maybe his probation officer might have a say ) but it is certainly nothing to do with us.
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Nov 13, 2014 20:46:41 GMT
On a completely different point altogether I turned on final score on Saturday for the first time in ages last Saturday and I was stunned how many female reporters were employed by the bbc on the day. Absolutely staggered. The world is a changin
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 21:06:48 GMT
What infuriates me more than anything is peoples blissful ignorance of the sentence received by Ched Evans. The man has spent 30 months in custody...that's a bloody long time to have your liberty taken away. Now...phrases like "he's only done half, that's not his sentence" or "why did he get parole, he's a rapist" or "probation shouldn't have let him out" are all I'll informed, misjudged quotes of nonsense. He was sentenced to a determinate sentence...the determination being 5 years. Under the Criminal Justice Act 2003...an Act of Parliament....this means be will serve half in custody and half on supervision licence in the community. There is no choice or decision...Parliament have already decided that. Now....He has his matter awaiting an appeal I believe. If so, why would he apologise? To suggest....oh he has been convicted by a jury of his peers so must accept it is nonsense. Just ask the Birmingham Six! As for whether he should pursue a career in football? Well that's his choice (maybe his probation officer might have a say ) but it is certainly nothing to do with us. Hear Here! TEST
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Post by hammered on Nov 14, 2014 0:02:16 GMT
Somebody with a high profile, a sporting gift (if you like) and the potential to earn lots of money does not preclude them from whatever the circumstances of their actions bring them and morally I find it wrong, unless he’s subsequently and irrevocably cleared (unlikely) that he should continue to benefit from his preferred walk in life.
Most professions where much lesser crimes e.g. theft/fraud etc.. preclude offenders from returning to their chosen/preferred roles and in this instance, as a young man and role model to aspiring young footballers his abuse of that privilege isn’t as simple as ticking the box and moving on.
I can understand why he continues to show no contrition given his continued “not guilty” stance, but as things stand, Evans under the legal process in this country, is a convicted rapist – a serious, malicious crime of the person and until the appeal process in seen through, should IMO keep his head down and his mouth shut. Sheffield UTD have been naïve underestimating public opinion on this.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 0:44:56 GMT
What infuriates me more than anything is peoples blissful ignorance of the sentence received by Ched Evans. The man has spent 30 months in custody...that's a bloody long time to have your liberty taken away. Now...phrases like "he's only done half, that's not his sentence" or "why did he get parole, he's a rapist" or "probation shouldn't have let him out" are all I'll informed, misjudged quotes of nonsense. He was sentenced to a determinate sentence...the determination being 5 years. Under the Criminal Justice Act 2003...an Act of Parliament....this means be will serve half in custody and half on supervision licence in the community. There is no choice or decision...Parliament have already decided that. Now....He has his matter awaiting an appeal I believe. If so, why would he apologise? To suggest....oh he has been convicted by a jury of his peers so must accept it is nonsense. Just ask the Birmingham Six! As for whether he should pursue a career in football? Well that's his choice (maybe his probation officer might have a say ) but it is certainly nothing to do with us. Hear Here! TEST hear hear?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 0:56:02 GMT
Somebody with a high profile, a sporting gift (if you like) and the potential to earn lots of money does not preclude them from whatever the circumstances of their actions bring them and morally I find it wrong, unless he’s subsequently and irrevocably cleared (unlikely) that he should continue to benefit from his preferred walk in life. Most professions where much lesser crimes e.g. theft/fraud etc.. preclude offenders from returning to their chosen/preferred roles and in this instance, as a young man and role model to aspiring young footballers his abuse of that privilege isn’t as simple as ticking the box and moving on. I can understand why he continues to show no contrition given his continued “not guilty” stance, but as things stand, Evans under the legal process in this country, is a convicted rapist – a serious, malicious crime of the person and until the appeal process in seen through, should IMO keep his head down and his mouth shut. Sheffield UTD have been naïve underestimating public opinion on this. I don't disagree with what you say. The problem is that the public opinion is formulated on ignorance. You wouldn't walk into an operating theatre and pass opinion on how the operation should be done if you had no medical knowledge or training. For some reason though every member of the public thinks they know all about criminal law cus they Googled it or there mate told them. The classic example is the idiot on Question Time earlier who said (paraphrased)..."well if Ched Evans had been put on the Sex Offenders register he wouldn't be able to play football...but because he only did 2.5 years and not 5 he doesn't go on it." This bloke was happy to point this out on national TV! He was blissfully ignorant of the fact that Ched Evans having received a sentence of over 30 months has an indefinite requirement to sign on the Sex Offenders register....but this does not preclude him from playing professional football! Also don't get me started on DLB Logistics who are to withdraw there sponsorship if Utd sign him. They say...'we are a family firm with core values who can't condone rape or violence against women.' Fair point.... but given the nature of their business I would say that none of there staff are DBS checked....so they are blissfully ignorant to the fact they may very well employ the people they vehemently condone.
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Post by Matthews dad on Nov 14, 2014 6:38:35 GMT
Any parent who thinks a footballer is a role model shouldn't really be parents!
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Post by metalhead on Nov 14, 2014 9:34:28 GMT
It's incredible how quickly the media pick up on the hypocrisy of politicians, football managers, public speakers etc, yet when it's a couple of ultra radical feminists it seems to go right over their heads. It's political correctness gone absolutely bat shit crazy.
Just weeks ago, rad fems were dismissing Evans claims of innocence by repeatedly reminding the public that he was found guilty by a jury of 12 people. They insisted that a jury of our peers had reviewed the evidence and that our justice system had been effective in its duty. Jean 'Not Doing It For The Publicity' Hatchet gave a Sky News interview in which she firmly asserted that he'd been found guilty by a jury and his claims of innocence were irrelevant because he was ultimately found guilty.
In an incredible act of hypocrisy, perhaps nervous that his unsafe conviction might be quashed, rad fems are now angrily stating that overturning his conviction would be an injustice to the victim and further proof of our justice systems inability to tackle violence against women.
Let's get this straight, according to rad fems our court system is only effective when its verdict fits in with a feminist agenda. If an innocent man walks free who has been falsely accused of rape then our justice system is totally ineffective.
Can you smell that? Yeah me too. It's called Grade A bullshit.
You either believe in the effectiveness of our justice system or you don't. I don't. There are too many innocent people in jail while other juries are easily manipulated into allowing guilty individuals go.
If this rubbish was being spouted by a politician, he/she would be absolutely torn apart in the media. Yet none of our media outlets have questioned this blatant hypocrisy. They're too scared of being labelled a rape apologist for merely pointing out something that should be highlighted for all to see. This is your typical political correctness, especially as the media have spent weeks painting these militant feminists as the gospel of truth who can do no wrong.
Pointing out that they're actually a bunch of lying, manipulative, morally empty, corrupt, swindlers who will do anything to further their cause would contradict everything they have been saying since before Evans release.
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Post by mcf on Nov 14, 2014 9:38:21 GMT
Somebody with a high profile, a sporting gift (if you like) and the potential to earn lots of money does not preclude them from whatever the circumstances of their actions bring them and morally I find it wrong, unless he’s subsequently and irrevocably cleared (unlikely) that he should continue to benefit from his preferred walk in life. Most professions where much lesser crimes e.g. theft/fraud etc.. preclude offenders from returning to their chosen/preferred roles and in this instance, as a young man and role model to aspiring young footballers his abuse of that privilege isn’t as simple as ticking the box and moving on. I can understand why he continues to show no contrition given his continued “not guilty” stance, but as things stand, Evans under the legal process in this country, is a convicted rapist – a serious, malicious crime of the person and until the appeal process in seen through, should IMO keep his head down and his mouth shut. Sheffield UTD have been naïve underestimating public opinion on this. I don't disagree with what you say. The problem is that the public opinion is formulated on ignorance. You wouldn't walk into an operating theatre and pass opinion on how the operation should be done if you had no medical knowledge or training. For some reason though every member of the public thinks they know all about criminal law cus they Googled it or there mate told them. The classic example is the idiot on Question Time earlier who said (paraphrased)..."well if Ched Evans had been put on the Sex Offenders register he wouldn't be able to play football...but because he only did 2.5 years and not 5 he doesn't go on it." This bloke was happy to point this out on national TV! He was blissfully ignorant of the fact that Ched Evans having received a sentence of over 30 months has an indefinite requirement to sign on the Sex Offenders register....but this does not preclude him from playing professional football! Also don't get me started on DLB Logistics who are to withdraw there sponsorship if Utd sign him. They say...'we are a family firm with core values who can't condone rape or violence against women.' Fair point.... but given the nature of their business I would say that none of there staff are DBS checked....so they are blissfully ignorant to the fact they may very well employ the people they vehemently condone. was the this the same fucking idiot that suggested he become a plumber.... ...because that job wouldn't see him in contact with women on a 1 on 1 basis would it very often would it!? Staggering how thick some people are in that audience.
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Post by foster on Nov 14, 2014 9:47:21 GMT
As far as I'm concerned (having read up on it a bit), he basically went out like thousands of others each weekend and had sex with a drunk girl who was a willing participant. If I was convicted every time I'd been in that situation in my Uni years I'd no doubt be serving multiple life sentences.
I'm not sure how it's classed as rape since consent seems to to have been given. Indeed, her text messages and willingness to go to the hotel are testament to this. I'm not sure what else she would have been expecting? Perhaps a nice Audrey Hepburn movie accompanied by a hot cup of Ovaltine.
I have no sympathy for the girls who hit the towns at the weekend and get totally shit-faced. Mini skirts up to their arse cracks and throwing themselves at any celeb type who crosses their path. I am aware that this is stereotypical, but it certainly represents a large proportion (especially in Rhyl). The facts concerning the female in question pretty much confirm that she is of this type.
I fully expect him to be cleared.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 14, 2014 9:49:15 GMT
Somebody with a high profile, a sporting gift (if you like) and the potential to earn lots of money does not preclude them from whatever the circumstances of their actions bring them and morally I find it wrong, unless he’s subsequently and irrevocably cleared (unlikely) that he should continue to benefit from his preferred walk in life. Most professions where much lesser crimes e.g. theft/fraud etc.. preclude offenders from returning to their chosen/preferred roles and in this instance, as a young man and role model to aspiring young footballers his abuse of that privilege isn’t as simple as ticking the box and moving on. I can understand why he continues to show no contrition given his continued “not guilty” stance, but as things stand, Evans under the legal process in this country, is a convicted rapist – a serious, malicious crime of the person and until the appeal process in seen through, should IMO keep his head down and his mouth shut. Sheffield UTD have been naïve underestimating public opinion on this. The classic example is the idiot on Question Time earlier who said (paraphrased)..."well if Ched Evans had been put on the Sex Offenders register he wouldn't be able to play football...but because he only did 2.5 years and not 5 he doesn't go on it." This bloke was happy to point this out on national TV! He was blissfully ignorant of the fact that Ched Evans having received a sentence of over 30 months has an indefinite requirement to sign on the Sex Offenders register....but this does not preclude him from playing professional football! I thought the way Question Time handled the topic was nothing short of shameful. A perfectly rehearsed whitewash. Not one member of the panel knew the first thing about the case but they all had well rehearsed answers which fit in nicely with media agenda. When one audience member pointed out that he could be innocent, his opinion was quickly laughed off and the programme moved on. Barely even entertained the possibility that he may be innocent. Shambolic again from the BBC.
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Post by stokiejoe on Nov 14, 2014 9:49:26 GMT
as I see it he has been found guilty of a sex offence and served his time as required by the law. Following his release he should be restricted from certain occupations in accordance with the terms of the sex offenders register. None of this should stop him being a footballer, doubt very much that he would get all this grief if he was a bricklayer or even someone in the public eye like an actor. Clearly he does not have a right to go back to being a footballer but if a club wants to sign him it is a matter of commercial judgement for them. He is bound to get some abuse from some of the crowd. Committed the crime and done his time.
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Post by RAF on Nov 14, 2014 9:56:33 GMT
I see that fucking Jessica Ennis is getting involved. Perhaps she forgot she had tweeted she wished she had got Mike Tyson's autograph when she met him. Fucking hell what a hypocritical thick cunt.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 14, 2014 9:56:42 GMT
I think any reasonable person harbours a bit of doubt about the conviction but that and any perceived feminist agenda are irrelevant to the key point. Should a convict for certain crimes be allowed to earn a living after incarceration? Of course they should. Should professional football be on the list of excluded professions for these crimes? Should it balls.
I just do not buy the 'role model' argument. Are we really expected to believe that people will follow and condone bad behaviour by people just because they kick a football about? What an insult to the intelligence of the populous that is.
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Post by GlennA on Nov 14, 2014 10:12:07 GMT
I have my own views on the Evans case, and all that's clear at the moment is that Sheff Utd or any other football club would have to be barmy to set him back on.
However, I am intrigued by the phrase 'ultra feminist media'. Is this the same media that thrives on the objectification of women like a fish thrives on water, or a different media?
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 14, 2014 10:12:15 GMT
The classic example is the idiot on Question Time earlier who said (paraphrased)..."well if Ched Evans had been put on the Sex Offenders register he wouldn't be able to play football...but because he only did 2.5 years and not 5 he doesn't go on it." This bloke was happy to point this out on national TV! He was blissfully ignorant of the fact that Ched Evans having received a sentence of over 30 months has an indefinite requirement to sign on the Sex Offenders register....but this does not preclude him from playing professional football! I thought the way Question Time handled the topic was nothing short of shameful. A perfectly rehearsed whitewash. Not one member of the panel knew the first thing about the case but they all had well rehearsed answers which fit in nicely with media agenda. When one audience member pointed out that he could be innocent, his opinion was quickly laughed off and the programme moved on. Barely even entertained the possibility that he may be innocent. Shambolic again from the BBC. The point is he is NOT innocent, he's a convicted rapist. Do you really expect someone on TV to speculate on that when there is an impending appeal?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 10:12:27 GMT
I see that fucking Jessica Ennis is getting involved. Perhaps she forgot she had tweeted she wished she had got Mike Tyson's autograph when she met him. Fucking hell what a hypocritical thick cunt. H that was Charlie Webster mate "Webster told BBC Radio 5 Live she felt it would be wrong to continue as a patron of the community foundation if Evans stepped out in Sheffield United colours again. She said: “He says he is innocent, he has shown no remorse.” Webster, who is a member of the Ministry of Justice’s victims’ panel – set up so that those affected by crime can tell ministers how the criminal justice system could better serve victims – said: “I feel like it is my duty and responsibility to stand up to this. “Very few people would be able to walk back into the same job as they did before being a convicted rapist.” In response, Evans’s sister pointed to a tweet which Webster posted on 10 September. It reads: “Just bumped into Mike Tyson in the hotel lobby as I was randomly talking about him! I chickened out on asking for a photo … damn" www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/oct/18/charlie-webster-quit-sheffield-united-ched-evans-return
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Post by RAF on Nov 14, 2014 10:19:49 GMT
I see that fucking Jessica Ennis is getting involved. Perhaps she forgot she had tweeted she wished she had got Mike Tyson's autograph when she met him. Fucking hell what a hypocritical thick cunt. H that was Charlie Webster mate "Webster told BBC Radio 5 Live she felt it would be wrong to continue as a patron of the community foundation if Evans stepped out in Sheffield United colours again. She said: “He says he is innocent, he has shown no remorse.” Webster, who is a member of the Ministry of Justice’s victims’ panel – set up so that those affected by crime can tell ministers how the criminal justice system could better serve victims – said: “I feel like it is my duty and responsibility to stand up to this. “Very few people would be able to walk back into the same job as they did before being a convicted rapist.” In response, Evans’s sister pointed to a tweet which Webster posted on 10 September. It reads: “Just bumped into Mike Tyson in the hotel lobby as I was randomly talking about him! I chickened out on asking for a photo … damn" www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/oct/18/charlie-webster-quit-sheffield-united-ched-evans-returnI saw that, apparently Ennis did the same and got a selfie with him. I shall retract if it's bollocks. H
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 10:24:05 GMT
Firstly RAF Jess Ennis said fuck all about Mike Tyson that was Charlie Webster. Everyone keeps on about this appeal and how he's certainly going to clear his name. The "LAD" is a victim etc etc. I havn't seen one woman post on here so obviously the majority are going to be in support of good old Ched. Its a football forum not Loose Women's forum. Many see it as as long as he can play fuck it. Same as how the Vile reacted to Lee Hughes. If he had the skills of O neil Donaldson or Billy Whitehurst I'm guessing there wouldnt be as much. Check out who the top thread on here is at the minute or who the most talked about footballer is right now. Yep....Mr Convicted Rapist. Seems he's got the majority of this thread defending him and every single male Sheffield United supporter. So much about how the girl is a liar. That filthy slaaag, poor lad was set up blah blah. Lets focus on who the liar is here for a minute. That'l be the bloke who cheated on his "faithfull" GF. Shes stood by her man bless her. Wonder if she'd have done the same if he'd have worked at tesco? Rape is Rape and like it or not Evans is right now a convicted rapist. I dont blame anyone who has their name tied to a club that supports one wanting to withdraw the said support. Why the hell didnt he put all his efforts into quietly appealing and if succesfull THEN do all the media and try to resume his football career? His supporters focusing on this and that but what is he HAS done the crime sentenced to. What the hell has all this got to do with feminsit agenda's? someone put on here that,quote, "feminists are ruining life". Oh ok. Damn these people defending rape. I want fuck that drunk girl with the tiny skirt so I shall. Shes gagging for it. Bullshit. What about the said girl then. Abused and trolled everywhere as are her supporters now. Even Charlie Webster and Jessica Ennis are now getting dogs abuse. If Idve been a succesfull athlete and honoured by my town like fuck would I want thousands sitting in a stand in my name chanting the name of a convicted rapist. All this is bollocks. Money talks and Im sure Evans will have a brilliant chance at appeal. However thats what he should have focused at from the off. Everything however has been sorted by Evans's agent to get maximum publicity. I can see The Scum newspaper buying his story now if he got a succesfull appeal. Im a celebrity or Big Brother would await a 35 year old ched. By the way folks hows John Leslie doing these days???
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Post by salopstick on Nov 14, 2014 10:30:16 GMT
Ched Evan's conviction will be overturned.
it is scandoulous that he as a celebrity footballer and a bit of a dick was tried in the community he is from where people (jury, local police, prosecutors) were predjudiced against him from the start.
it is very unsafe
the same people condemning him will then say how it proves our justice system can get it wrong but make amends
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Post by mcf on Nov 14, 2014 10:31:04 GMT
that was Charlie Webster mate "Webster told BBC Radio 5 Live she felt it would be wrong to continue as a patron of the community foundation if Evans stepped out in Sheffield United colours again. She said: “He says he is innocent, he has shown no remorse.” Webster, who is a member of the Ministry of Justice’s victims’ panel – set up so that those affected by crime can tell ministers how the criminal justice system could better serve victims – said: “I feel like it is my duty and responsibility to stand up to this. “Very few people would be able to walk back into the same job as they did before being a convicted rapist.” In response, Evans’s sister pointed to a tweet which Webster posted on 10 September. It reads: “Just bumped into Mike Tyson in the hotel lobby as I was randomly talking about him! I chickened out on asking for a photo … damn" www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/oct/18/charlie-webster-quit-sheffield-united-ched-evans-returnI saw that, apparently Ennis did the same and got a selfie with him. I shall retract if it's bollocks. H Wouldn't surprise me. The do-gooding, hypocritical wankstains that scar this country make you fucking sick. If it is true then we should set up campaigns to rid Ennis of her medal and Webster of her job for their desire to be pictured with rapists. should keep their fucking mouths shut....as that jug eared Lineker been at it too? Maybe the media should dig out a few of his stories too..
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 14, 2014 10:34:02 GMT
Ched Evan's conviction will be overturned. it is scandoulous that he as a celebrity footballer and a bit of a dick was tried in the community he is from where people (jury, local police, prosecutors) were predjudiced against him from the start. it is very unsafe the same people condemning him will then say how it proves our justice system can get it wrong but make amends All well and good and maybe right. So why doesn't he keep his head down, concentrate on his appeal and if he wins then fine we can all move on? No, we have sleazy videos, his thick as shit gf tweeting left right and chelsea and Gordon fucking Taylor shoe horning him back into football.
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Post by mcf on Nov 14, 2014 10:37:27 GMT
Firstly RAF Jess Ennis said fuck all about Mike Tyson that was Charlie Webster. Everyone keeps on about this appeal and how he's certainly going to clear his name. The "LAD" is a victim etc etc. I havn't seen one woman post on here so obviously the majority are going to be in support of good old Ched. Its a football forum not Loose Women's forum. Many see it as as long as he can play fuck it. Same as how the Vile reacted to Lee Hughes. If he had the skills of O neil Donaldson or Billy Whitehurst I'm guessing there wouldnt be as much. Check out who the top thread on here is at the minute or who the most talked about footballer is right now. Yep....Mr Convicted Rapist. Seems he's got the majority of this thread defending him and every single male Sheffield United supporter. So much about how the girl is a liar. That filthy slaaag, poor lad was set up blah blah. Lets focus on who the liar is here for a minute. That'l be the bloke who cheated on his "faithfull" GF. Shes stood by her man bless her. Wonder if she'd have done the same if he'd have worked at tesco? Rape is Rape and like it or not Evans is right now a convicted rapist. I dont blame anyone who has their name tied to a club that supports one wanting to withdraw the said support. Why the hell didnt he put all his efforts into quietly appealing and if succesfull THEN do all the media and try to resume his football career? His supporters focusing on this and that but what is he HAS done the crime sentenced to. What the hell has all this got to do with feminsit agenda's? someone put on here that,quote, "feminists are ruining life". Oh ok. Damn these people defending rape. I want fuck that drunk girl with the tiny skirt so I shall. Shes gagging for it. Bullshit. What about the said girl then. Abused and trolled everywhere as are her supporters now. Even Charlie Webster and Jessica Ennis are now getting dogs abuse. If Idve been a succesfull athlete and honoured by my town like fuck would I want thousands sitting in a stand in my name chanting the name of a convicted rapist. All this is bollocks. Money talks and Im sure Evans will have a brilliant chance at appeal. However thats what he should have focused at from the off. Everything however has been sorted by Evans's agent to get maximum publicity. I can see The Scum newspaper buying his story now if he got a succesfull appeal. Im a celebrity or Big Brother would await a 35 year old ched. By the way folks hows John Leslie doing these days??? Ennis should have kept her name off the stand then. She either supports the club or she doesn't. Just comes across as a fucking idiot for wanting it removed over this so I'm glad she's getting dog's abuse. These people need a taste of their own medicine when they come out with comments that are basically helping to ruin people's lives. The girl is a bit of a victim too. Who's fault is that though? Who insisted that the case went to court? Evans will probably make a shit load of money and he will need to given our 'forgiving' public won't let him work. If found innocent then I'm guessing us taxpayers will be throwing him a few quid.
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Post by RAF on Nov 14, 2014 11:30:07 GMT
Firstly RAF Jess Ennis said fuck all about Mike Tyson that was Charlie Webster. Everyone keeps on about this appeal and how he's certainly going to clear his name. The "LAD" is a victim etc etc. I havn't seen one woman post on here so obviously the majority are going to be in support of good old Ched. Its a football forum not Loose Women's forum. Many see it as as long as he can play fuck it. Same as how the Vile reacted to Lee Hughes. If he had the skills of O neil Donaldson or Billy Whitehurst I'm guessing there wouldnt be as much. Check out who the top thread on here is at the minute or who the most talked about footballer is right now. Yep....Mr Convicted Rapist. Seems he's got the majority of this thread defending him and every single male Sheffield United supporter. So much about how the girl is a liar. That filthy slaaag, poor lad was set up blah blah. Lets focus on who the liar is here for a minute. That'l be the bloke who cheated on his "faithfull" GF. Shes stood by her man bless her. Wonder if she'd have done the same if he'd have worked at tesco? Rape is Rape and like it or not Evans is right now a convicted rapist. I dont blame anyone who has their name tied to a club that supports one wanting to withdraw the said support. Why the hell didnt he put all his efforts into quietly appealing and if succesfull THEN do all the media and try to resume his football career? His supporters focusing on this and that but what is he HAS done the crime sentenced to. What the hell has all this got to do with feminsit agenda's? someone put on here that,quote, "feminists are ruining life". Oh ok. Damn these people defending rape. I want fuck that drunk girl with the tiny skirt so I shall. Shes gagging for it. Bullshit. What about the said girl then. Abused and trolled everywhere as are her supporters now. Even Charlie Webster and Jessica Ennis are now getting dogs abuse. If Idve been a succesfull athlete and honoured by my town like fuck would I want thousands sitting in a stand in my name chanting the name of a convicted rapist. All this is bollocks. Money talks and Im sure Evans will have a brilliant chance at appeal. However thats what he should have focused at from the off. Everything however has been sorted by Evans's agent to get maximum publicity. I can see The Scum newspaper buying his story now if he got a succesfull appeal. Im a celebrity or Big Brother would await a 35 year old ched. By the way folks hows John Leslie doing these days??? As I've said I've also read that Ennis has had a selfie taken with Tyson when she met him, maybe two stories are getting mixed into one? I'm not in support of Evans, more indignant of the hypocritical self righteous bollocks that gets spewed all over the media and by celebrities who should keep their gobs shut if they aren't whiter than white.(No racist undertones before anyone starts) H
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Post by metalhead on Nov 14, 2014 11:34:53 GMT
I have my own views on the Evans case, and all that's clear at the moment is that Sheff Utd or any other football club would have to be barmy to set him back on. However, I am intrigued by the phrase 'ultra feminist media'. Is this the same media that thrives on the objectification of women like a fish thrives on water, or a different media? What are you babbling on about mate? Don't confuse red tops with legitimate media organizations, please. The way this has been handled from a purely media perspective has pandered to feminism. The petition, which was set up by militant feminists has now had about 170k signatures. EVERY TIME the BBC talk about Ched Evans, they remind us of this petition, like it is somehow an indicator of how angry people are. What they've consistently failed to mention (in fact, not a single mainstream media organization has mentioned it yet) is that thousands of the signatures are actually fakes. Militant feminists have even admitted there's some fake names, however they've unsurprisingly blamed it on football fans from different teams. I would be more inclined to say that lying, manipulation and forgery are standard traits of the global radical feminist movement. Fake signatures are exactly what rad fems would do in this circumstance. The media are being incredibly politically correct over this. Why do you think Sky News interviewed Jean 'Genuinely, I'm Not, I Promise, I'M NOT, Doing This For The Publicity' Hatchet? It's a great way of painting themselves as self righteous and all knowing. Let's be honest, in the wake of the Brenda Leyland affair, Sky News needed a bit of a distraction. I thought the way Question Time handled the topic was nothing short of shameful. A perfectly rehearsed whitewash. Not one member of the panel knew the first thing about the case but they all had well rehearsed answers which fit in nicely with media agenda. When one audience member pointed out that he could be innocent, his opinion was quickly laughed off and the programme moved on. Barely even entertained the possibility that he may be innocent. Shambolic again from the BBC. The point is he is NOT innocent, he's a convicted rapist. Do you really expect someone on TV to speculate on that when there is an impending appeal? Ahhh, so as someone who is incredibly confident in the fairness of our judicial system, you will not be complaining if his conviction is subsequently overturned. Very good. I assume you'll return to this thread and inform us all that justice has prevailed, if Evans is released? Thought not. I don't expect anyone to speculate, I expect the coverage to be balanced, especially from the BBC. Nobody has to speculate of his innocence, but to laugh off such a suggestion as if it is automatically false is absolutely disgusting. It's a sickening bias that the BBC have taken in. There's also some irony when the BBC start preaching morality about rape, wouldn't you agree? Firstly RAF Jess Ennis said fuck all about Mike Tyson that was Charlie Webster. Everyone keeps on about this appeal and how he's certainly going to clear his name. The "LAD" is a victim etc etc. I havn't seen one woman post on here so obviously the majority are going to be in support of good old Ched. Its a football forum not Loose Women's forum. Many see it as as long as he can play fuck it. Same as how the Vile reacted to Lee Hughes. If he had the skills of O neil Donaldson or Billy Whitehurst I'm guessing there wouldnt be as much. Check out who the top thread on here is at the minute or who the most talked about footballer is right now. Yep....Mr Convicted Rapist. Seems he's got the majority of this thread defending him and every single male Sheffield United supporter. So much about how the girl is a liar. That filthy slaaag, poor lad was set up blah blah. Lets focus on who the liar is here for a minute. That'l be the bloke who cheated on his "faithfull" GF. Shes stood by her man bless her. Wonder if she'd have done the same if he'd have worked at tesco? Rape is Rape and like it or not Evans is right now a convicted rapist. I dont blame anyone who has their name tied to a club that supports one wanting to withdraw the said support. Why the hell didnt he put all his efforts into quietly appealing and if succesfull THEN do all the media and try to resume his football career? His supporters focusing on this and that but what is he HAS done the crime sentenced to. What the hell has all this got to do with feminsit agenda's? someone put on here that,quote, "feminists are ruining life". Oh ok. Damn these people defending rape. I want fuck that drunk girl with the tiny skirt so I shall. Shes gagging for it. Bullshit. What about the said girl then. Abused and trolled everywhere as are her supporters now. Even Charlie Webster and Jessica Ennis are now getting dogs abuse. If Idve been a succesfull athlete and honoured by my town like fuck would I want thousands sitting in a stand in my name chanting the name of a convicted rapist. All this is bollocks. Money talks and Im sure Evans will have a brilliant chance at appeal. However thats what he should have focused at from the off. Everything however has been sorted by Evans's agent to get maximum publicity. I can see The Scum newspaper buying his story now if he got a succesfull appeal. Im a celebrity or Big Brother would await a 35 year old ched. By the way folks hows John Leslie doing these days??? Fuck me, reading that was painful mate. Ever heard of a paragraph or a comma? OK, so from your block of text, I'll just pull out my favourite corkers and point out why you're a fucking moron wrong. "Everyone keeps on about this appeal and how he's certainly going to clear his name. The "LAD" is a victim etc etc."Actually, as someone who's posted fairly consistently about this whole affair, I haven't once said that he's certainly going to clear his name. I actually don't trust our justice system to come to such a verdict. I imagine the evidence could be overwhelming yet somehow they'd fuck it up and put another potentially innocent man in jail. "If he had the skills of O neil Donaldson or Billy Whitehurst I'm guessing there wouldnt be as much."This is an odd one. Are we talking about Ched Evans or Wayne Rooney here? He isn't exactly a brilliant player mate. He's probably no better than Billy Whitehurst lol. He's a decent League 1 player, who would sneak into a few Championship teams. He's nowhere near Premiership quality. You sound a bit fucking daft when you make out he's a world beater. "Check out who the top thread on here is at the minute or who the most talked about footballer is right now. Yep....Mr Convicted Rapist."Got anything else we can talk about? Maybe you can set the agenda. The reason we're talking about Evans is because it's in the news... if Stoke were playing this weekend we'd be talking about that. "So much about how the girl is a liar. That filthy slaaag, poor lad was set up blah blah. Lets focus on who the liar is here for a minute. That'l be the bloke who cheated on his "faithfull" GF."I don't think I've read that the girl is a 'filthy slag' as you so eloquently put it. However, her character is always going to be called into question considering her history. A couple of other rape accusations against sportsmen and some rather shady looking tweets leave a bitter taste for many people. As I said in this thread a few times, Evans will have to live with cheating on his girlfriend who has stood by him. It doesn't make him a rapist though. "Shes stood by her man bless her. Wonder if she'd have done the same if he'd have worked at tesco?"As I've pointed out about 10 fucking times, she comes from a family of jewel dealers. He father is worth MILLIONS. Her family makes about 50 million a year. Not quite as much as Bet365 no, but enough to ensure they're not eating rice for tea every night while living on the breadline. I assure you, the £500k Evans will make over three years (if he resigns for SUFC) isn't even pocket money to her. She probably gets that for birthday you daft twat. Instead of running your ridiculous false assumptions off, why don't you do a bit of reading? If you'd spend 30 seconds on Google, you'd know that the only reason Ched Evans is able to afford his case (he certainly hasn't got the money) is because her father is funding his legal battle. Muppet. "Why the hell didnt he put all his efforts into quietly appealing and if succesfull THEN do all the media and try to resume his football career?"Are you for real mate? You sound like you're from a black and white film. WEEKS before his release, the media were printing stories about him. How the fuck could he go about his appeal quietly? The media in this country don't do quiet. He was released from jail at 3am in the morning and there were paparazzi waiting outside to take photos!!! He had absolutely no chance of keeping his appeal quiet. The day he was released, the BBC phoned his girlfriend and asked for an interview. If you want to blame anyone for that, blame the media! "His supporters focusing on this and that but what is he HAS done the crime sentenced to"? ? ? What the hell has all this got to do with feminsit agenda's? someone put on here that,quote, "feminists are ruining life".Feminsit? Nice. I actually don't call it a feminist agenda, but a radical feminist agenda. Unfortunately, as you clearly don't know your head from your arse, I really can't be arsed explaining the difference between the two in detail, but ultimately, radical feminists are pretty much female supremacists and this is a great way of them parading their agenda around the media, that males are violent beasts and that females are damsels in distress and can't put a foot wrong. Males = evil. Females = saints. They're the kind of people who would call you a vile human being for going to football mate. Don't think they're your friend. They aren't. They hate you just as much as they hate me. You're a man after all. "Damn these people defending rape. I want fuck that drunk girl with the tiny skirt so I shall."Nobody is defending rape at all. People are questioning the legitimacy of his conviction, not the same thing. She was wearing shorts by the way. "Abused and trolled everywhere as are her supporters now."I don't know about the abuse to her but anyone who thinks it's okay to abuse her is pretty despicable. Right now, Evans is guilty, therefore she shouldn't be subject to abuse. I agree. Her supporters, aka, radical feminists, are just as abusive as trolls you complain about, if not more so. Only a couple of weeks ago, a fairly well known rad fem on Twitter, effectively told me that if she had a gun with two bullets, she would shoot me, let me bleed out in pain and then put it to my head and finish me off. The crime? I asked Jean "I'm serious now, none of this is for publicity, at all, even if I did go on Sky News and give an interview to the Mirror" Hatchet whether she believed a female could assault a male... in any way shape or form. No surprise, females can't abuse males, sexually or not. If you're a female, and you stab a male with a knife, he deserved it. Equality eh? Lovely people. Regardless, her supporters trolled me for days, the worst being the one I described above. Anyway, hope this clear its up for you mate....
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Post by mcf on Nov 14, 2014 11:39:52 GMT
Only a couple of weeks ago, a fairly well known rad fem on Twitter, effectively told me that if she had a gun with two bullets, she would shoot me, let me bleed out in pain and then put it to my head and finish me off. The crime? I asked Jean "I'm serious now, none of this is for publicity, at all, even if I did go on Sky News and give an interview to the Mirror" Hatchet whether she believed a female could assault a male... in any way shape or form. No surprise, females can't abuse males, sexually or not. If you're a female, and you stab a male with a knife, he deserved it. Equality eh? Lovely people. Regardless, her supporters trolled me for days, the worst being the one I described above.
Hope you asked how on earth she would be able to shoot you with Mr Sheen in one hand and a duster in the other.
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