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Post by TheWiseMaster on Nov 12, 2014 20:36:17 GMT
Evans is trying to get the verdict overturned He should have kept his head down until the case review takes place (it has been given priority) - until then he is a convicted and unrepentant rapist and will draw publicity on that basis And should still be allowed any job he wants as long as it doesn't break the terms of his release. It is allowed.... Only public pressure on sponsors and the club etc will keep him out of football Say he had committed murder (not manslaughter which is different) and had served his time - still be allowed to play but would the public allow it?
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Nov 12, 2014 20:37:12 GMT
1 girl, 2 men. Both men sleep with the girl. The girls condition (drunkeness) doesn't change between the 2 men sleeping with her. 1 guilty, 1 not guilty. I can't be bothered to research the case, but something doesn't seem right to me. Irrespective of that, he served his time, so should be free to persue a career. "Can't be bothered" really. Why bother commenting then? Would you be bothered if it was a member of your family?
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Nov 12, 2014 20:40:15 GMT
He was convicted by the legal system of this country. If he has right of appeal I don't understand why he didn't do it earlier. What I truly don't understand is why he is the main topic of a Stoke City message board. So what. Plenty of people have been convicted of crimes even with limited evidence and many haven't with plenty of evidence. What a stupid point you make SGS Sorry what is the point you are trying to make. Which cases do you refer to?
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Nov 12, 2014 20:42:29 GMT
So what. Plenty of people have been convicted of crimes even with limited evidence and many haven't with plenty of evidence. What a stupid point you make SGS Sorry what is the point you are trying to make. Which cases do you refer to? OJ Simpson? SGS
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Nov 12, 2014 20:50:30 GMT
He is criminal and treated appropriately. Enjoy the thread I have had enough of the crap thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2014 20:50:43 GMT
1 girl, 2 men. Both men sleep with the girl. The girls condition (drunkeness) doesn't change between the 2 men sleeping with her. 1 guilty, 1 not guilty. I can't be bothered to research the case, but something doesn't seem right to me. Irrespective of that, he served his time, so should be free to persue a career. "Can't be bothered" really. Why bother commenting then? Would you be bothered if it was a member of your family? Ok, not the best choice of words, and of course, if it was my family then yes, I would have more interest. That said, whether I/you or anybody else likes the justice system or not, he's served his time and should be able to make a living.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 12, 2014 20:51:55 GMT
And should still be allowed any job he wants as long as it doesn't break the terms of his release. It is allowed.... Only public pressure on sponsors and the club etc will keep him out of football Say he had committed murder (not manslaughter which is different) and had served his time - still be allowed to play but would the public allow it? They may not want it, but they wouldn't have a choice, in regards to sponsors I'm sure there'd be at least one willing.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 12, 2014 20:53:06 GMT
He is criminal and treated appropriately. Enjoy the thread I have had enough of the crap thank you. What crap?
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Nov 12, 2014 20:56:43 GMT
Well I don't know whether that was addressed to the right person. But that crap he spouted.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Nov 12, 2014 20:59:48 GMT
Anyhow how is Wilkinson doing these days? I am being told we can't recall Shotton.
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Nov 12, 2014 21:12:36 GMT
Anyhow how is Wilkinson doing these days? I am being told we can't recall Shotton. You still haven't responded to the three cases I highlighted and the link to them being role models yet still made a living out of football afterwards. How is this different to Ched Evans? Or are you just going to run away? SGS
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Post by foster on Nov 12, 2014 21:13:19 GMT
"Can't be bothered" really. Why bother commenting then? Would you be bothered if it was a member of your family? Ok, not the best choice of words, and of course, if it was my family then yes, I would have more interest. That said, whether I/you or anybody else likes the justice system or not, he's served his time and should be able to make a living. I agree with you. Looking at the case the girls behaviour does her no favours and he never forced himself on her. The whole thing stinks and I'd wager other footballers (and posters) have put themselves in similar or more compromising situations with little to no consequences.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Nov 12, 2014 21:21:24 GMT
Anyhow how is Wilkinson doing these days? I am being told we can't recall Shotton. You still haven't responded to the three cases I highlighted and the link to them being role models yet still made a living out of football afterwards. How is this different to Ched Evans? Or are you just going to run away? SGS ThAt really wasn't intended for you
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Post by PolPotter on Nov 12, 2014 21:29:14 GMT
He is a dirty walking hard on of a stinking rapist. Let's roll the red carpet out for him. His rehabilitation shouldn't be in the public's face!
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Nov 12, 2014 21:30:06 GMT
Anyhow how is Wilkinson doing these days? I am being told we can't recall Shotton. You still haven't responded to the three cases I highlighted and the link to them being role models yet still made a living out of football afterwards. How is this different to Ched Evans? Or are you just going to run away? SGS Why do you have to threaten your case is poor. I don't agree with you but I don't post crap either
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Post by ianstokie on Nov 12, 2014 21:36:37 GMT
I don't think it matters if he continues to be employed by SU, or if he continues to be a professional football player. But, would you want to work alongside him, would you want your wife, sister or daughter working alongside him? I wouldn't.
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Post by pottersrule on Nov 12, 2014 21:44:29 GMT
Lee Hughes didn't try to over turn it did he, thats probably why, if Evans came out after his time and quietly got on with things then I'm pretty sure it would't be getting the same exposure. If you're innocent though you wouldn't drop it, would you? I'll be very surprised if he doesn't win his appeal Has lost one already,and he's not at the second appeal stage yet.His case is being reviewed to see if an appeal is warranted.
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Post by stokeoptimist on Nov 12, 2014 21:46:10 GMT
Just read the case notes and there are some real inconsistencies in this one, he could just as easily got off like his mate.
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 12, 2014 21:52:37 GMT
What I find most disturbing is so called football fans singing the name of a convicted rapist at a football match. This shows that attitudes towards violence against women have not really evolved. I wouldn't like to think my daughter would ever be left alone with any of those twats singing Evans' name.
I'm a school teacher if I had been convicted of rape would I be able to just waltz back into my day job with shouts of joy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2014 21:58:52 GMT
He's a convicted rapist I get it but (especially the bbc) keep referring him as convicted rapist ched evans. Mike Tyson isn't referred as convicted rapist Mike Tyson A lot of people will have egg on their faces if his case his reviewed and he wins why will people have 'egg on their faces'? he is a convicted rapist isn't he? I think there is a serious misunderstanding here. Many are opposed to him being re-employed as a footballer, not in some other profession. We can all sit here spouting the usual shit about most footballers not wanting to be role models, being little scumbags etc, but it is a very highly remunerated profession in the public eye, whether you like it or not they will be heralded as role models by the supporters of that team and no, whilst he is a convicted and unrepentant rapist then it is wrong for him to be a very highly paid footballer. I wouldn't want stoke to employ a convicted rapist but then again I am satisfied that Stoke has principles, despite the fucking bollocks spouted on this thread by a few people
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2014 22:01:17 GMT
What I find most disturbing is so called football fans singing the name of a convicted rapist at a football match. This shows that attitudes towards violence against women have not really evolved. I wouldn't like to think my daughter would ever be left alone with any of those twats singing Evans' name. I'm a school teacher if I had been convicted of rape would I be able to just waltz back into my day job with shouts of joy. Spot on. Some of the attitudes this story has exposed amongst some football fans has disgusted me.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 12, 2014 22:11:51 GMT
He's a convicted rapist I get it but (especially the bbc) keep referring him as convicted rapist ched evans. Mike Tyson isn't referred as convicted rapist Mike Tyson A lot of people will have egg on their faces if his case his reviewed and he wins why will people have 'egg on their faces'? he is a convicted rapist isn't he? I think there is a serious misunderstanding here. Many are opposed to him being re-employed as a footballer, not in some other profession. We can all sit here spouting the usual shit about most footballers not wanting to be role models, being little scumbags etc, but it is a very highly remunerated profession in the public eye, whether you like it or not they will be heralded as role models by the supporters of that team and no, whilst he is a convicted and unrepentant rapist then it is wrong for him to be a very highly paid footballer. I wouldn't want stoke to employ a convicted rapist but then again I am satisfied that Stoke has principles, despite the fucking bollocks spouted on this thread by a few people Why does it matter how much money he would get paid, that shouldn't have any bearing on anything.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2014 22:14:04 GMT
Maybe something to do with the message it sends out, these players are role models. Are you talking about the same message that Liam Lawrence and his 2 mates sent out when they spit-roasted a young girl and filmed it and then uploaded it? Maybe you are talking about Lee Hughes who was responsible for a car crash, that he ran away from at the scene, that resulted in a fella losing his life, leaving his family devastated Perhaps the case of Luke McCormack who ended the lives of 2 children as a result of being over the limit and driving his car into the back of another and off the motorway. All 3 cases have resulted in all forging a career out of Football following either exposure or a prison sentence. Please enlighten us as to how the situation with Ched Evans is different SGS well liam Lawrence didn't rape anybody did he? the other two are gross-negligence manslaughter - death by dangerous driving cases. this was a rape case. very very different circumstances, different crimes elicit different reactions amongst the public, as we can see from some people's reaction to this case, and some posts on this thread where apparently some people seem to think it is ok to trivialise rape
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 12, 2014 22:17:01 GMT
Are you talking about the same message that Liam Lawrence and his 2 mates sent out when they spit-roasted a young girl and filmed it and then uploaded it? Maybe you are talking about Lee Hughes who was responsible for a car crash, that he ran away from at the scene, that resulted in a fella losing his life, leaving his family devastated Perhaps the case of Luke McCormack who ended the lives of 2 children as a result of being over the limit and driving his car into the back of another and off the motorway. All 3 cases have resulted in all forging a career out of Football following either exposure or a prison sentence. Please enlighten us as to how the situation with Ched Evans is different SGS well liam Lawrence didn't rape anybody did he? the other two are gross-negligence manslaughter - death by dangerous driving cases. this was a rape case. very very different circumstances, different crimes elicit different reactions amongst the public, as we can see from some people's reaction to this case, and some posts on this thread where apparently some people seem to think it is ok to trivialise rapeNo ones done that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2014 22:25:13 GMT
why will people have 'egg on their faces'? he is a convicted rapist isn't he? I think there is a serious misunderstanding here. Many are opposed to him being re-employed as a footballer, not in some other profession. We can all sit here spouting the usual shit about most footballers not wanting to be role models, being little scumbags etc, but it is a very highly remunerated profession in the public eye, whether you like it or not they will be heralded as role models by the supporters of that team and no, whilst he is a convicted and unrepentant rapist then it is wrong for him to be a very highly paid footballer. I wouldn't want stoke to employ a convicted rapist but then again I am satisfied that Stoke has principles, despite the fucking bollocks spouted on this thread by a few people Why does it matter how much money he would get paid, that shouldn't have any bearing on anything. highly paid mainly because their job is a high profile one in the public eye. they go hand in hand and to my mind, if you occupy such a position in any profession then you must be held to high standards of conduct and behaviour.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2014 22:33:58 GMT
well liam Lawrence didn't rape anybody did he? the other two are gross-negligence manslaughter - death by dangerous driving cases. this was a rape case. very very different circumstances, different crimes elicit different reactions amongst the public, as we can see from some people's reaction to this case, and some posts on this thread where apparently some people seem to think it is ok to trivialise rapeNo ones done that. your opinion isn't it? I strongly disagree with you and there are four posters on this thread who have posted utter shit about the case, trivialising what happened. This was a case that ended in a jury deciding that a rape was committed. I can totally understand the very difficult debate about when someone should be allowed to get on with their life after having served their punishment for a serious offence. There are no easy answers to that. It is pretty despicable though when you have some fucking knob, sitting behind his keyboard on this message board, judging the young lady who was the victim of the rape, making stupid comments like her behaviour 'does her no favours' when they have no fucking idea who she is and what happened. if you don't think that comments like that show worrying attitudes about violence against women then you are a bit of a thick twat yourself aren't you?
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 12, 2014 22:36:18 GMT
I love the fact that footballers think everything should be in their favour with no come back. "I want to get my face on all sorts of shit so suckers can buy it to line my pockets but don't bother me with all that role model business"is pretty much how it goes. Whether they like it or not, rightly or wrongly, they are role models. People look up to them, people want to be them.
This Evans character, in my opinion, comes from the very bottom of the cess pool. An odious individual who has trivialised his crime and expects things to be handed back to him on a plate. If he believes he is innocent then fine, get your head down and prove it then work your way back in. If I was a Blades fan i'd be livid.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 12, 2014 22:50:21 GMT
your opinion isn't it? I strongly disagree with you and there are four posters on this thread who have posted utter shit about the case, trivialising what happened. This was a case that ended in a jury deciding that a rape was committed. I can totally understand the very difficult debate about when someone should be allowed to get on with their life after having served their punishment for a serious offence. There are no easy answers to that. It is pretty despicable though when you have some fucking knob, sitting behind his keyboard on this message board, judging the young lady who was the victim of the rape, making stupid comments like her behaviour 'does her no favours' when they have no fucking idea who she is and what happened. if you don't think that comments like that show worrying attitudes about violence against women then you are a bit of a thick twat yourself aren't you? The info is out there for all to see and to form an opinion on what she is or isn't like, whether he was rightly or wrongly convicted etc, so I don't see a problem with someone having an opinion on it, whether I agree or disagree is another matter, it certainly doesn't make someone a "thick twat" as you so eloquently put it.
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Post by sportsman on Nov 12, 2014 23:47:04 GMT
Oh well if a jury has decided he's guilty that's it then. Tell that to Peter barlow.
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Post by mcf on Nov 13, 2014 7:59:59 GMT
And should still be allowed any job he wants as long as it doesn't break the terms of his release. It is allowed.... Only public pressure on sponsors and the club etc will keep him out of football Say he had committed murder (not manslaughter which is different) and had served his time - still be allowed to play but would the public allow it? To be fair, the public are just a bunch of thick cunts though aren't they? Doesn't our country and therefore taxpayers money get spent on getting ex criminals into work and here we have a public doing their level best to ensure that this bloke can't work. I hope a number of journalists start digging on some of these sanctimonious twats and see how angelic they are. Whether he was guilty or not, he's done his time otherwise what is the fucking point of our system. Might as well bin it right now if it can't be honoured.
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