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Post by homer32 on Nov 3, 2014 8:37:37 GMT
I expect us to get a result at WHL on sunday.Spurs are not playing well and they're in Greece on thurs night playing in the Europa.They can't afford to put a reserve team out either as they're in danger of not qualifying if they lose in Greece .Their results on sunday after playing thurs have been poor and I expect us to get at least a point. If we play as well as we did against WHU we will win.
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Post by jwhpotter on Nov 3, 2014 9:20:42 GMT
Same 11 to start against Spurs? Or will Bards come back in for Geoff or Sidders?
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Post by stokiejoe on Nov 3, 2014 9:27:45 GMT
For me it should be Bardsley back but leave Sidwell in, otherwise unchanged.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Nov 3, 2014 9:35:53 GMT
For me it should be Bardsley back but leave Sidwell in, otherwise unchanged. Would you still play Cameron and if so where? He would be very unlucky to be dropped after his performance on Saturday.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Nov 3, 2014 10:15:39 GMT
Cameron RB. Adam in for Sidwell.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Nov 3, 2014 10:30:42 GMT
Cameron RB. Adam in for Sidwell. Sent from my GT-I9192 using proboards There is no doubt that offensively Geoff offered us something that Bardsley simply can't from right back. He was undoubtedly part of the reason that we clicked as on offensive unit for the first real time this season.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Nov 3, 2014 10:37:48 GMT
Keep a winning team(well, almost?)! Though, I am tempted to put Bardsley in for Cameron to shore up the defence too many changes in the team have hurt us.
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Post by lordb on Nov 3, 2014 13:01:21 GMT
1 change for me: Geoff back to midfield (Sidwell to the bench,harsh but prefer Geoffs greater movement & he's a more naturaly defensive player) with Bardsley back to RB. Wont be upset if he plays the same side though. wont be upset if Crouch comes in either as Spurs have weakness in the air. whoever plays we need same tempo as Saturday. rub of the green with key decisins wouldn't go amiss either.- or at least no howlers against us-
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Post by stokiejoe on Nov 3, 2014 13:11:20 GMT
For me it should be Bardsley back but leave Sidwell in, otherwise unchanged. Would you still play Cameron and if so where? He would be very unlucky to be dropped after his performance on Saturday. No Cameron is second choice right back by his own statements, he did well there but Sidwell is better midfield.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 13:12:39 GMT
Absolute no-brainer. Same XI.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Nov 3, 2014 13:23:04 GMT
1 change for me: Geoff back to midfield (Sidwell to the bench,harsh but prefer Geoffs greater movement & he's a more naturaly defensive player) with Bardsley back to RB. Wont be upset if he plays the same side though. wont be upset if Crouch comes in either as Spurs have weakness in the air. whoever plays we need same tempo as Saturday. rub of the green with key decisins wouldn't go amiss either.- or at least no howlers against us- It is a difficult one, but as it seems that Cameron has openly said he wishes to compete for places at CB and CM, I assume that Bardsley will come back in. And like you say, dropping Sidwell would be a little harsh. I like Wilson myself, but I believe he did himself no favours with his "excitable" lunge in the lead up to their first goal. I wouldn't be against giving Cameron a start at CB this weekend.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Nov 3, 2014 13:25:32 GMT
Absolute no-brainer. Same XI. If we had come away with the three points I agree it would have been.
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Post by jezzascfc on Nov 3, 2014 14:07:10 GMT
Hughes is a big one for rewarding good performances and making players wait to return. He will be tempted to leave well alone, especially as Bardsley has been suffering from a stiff back of late and Geoff looked so good at right back this weekend. If Crouch is free to play, he may bring him straight back in though, as he holds the ball up so well, and it will be a big game for him on his return to WHL.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 3, 2014 14:17:29 GMT
Cameron RB. Adam in for Sidwell. Sent from my GT-I9192 using proboards There is no doubt that offensively Geoff offered us something that Bardsley simply can't from right back. He was undoubtedly part of the reason that we clicked as on offensive unit for the first real time this season. Disagree completely, Bardsley is just as good, if not better, than Cameron going forward, has a much better cross and is less wasteful and knows what he's doing defensively too. Give Cameron ago in midfield by all means but lets not start pretending he can play rb after one game.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Nov 3, 2014 14:22:47 GMT
Hughes is a big one for rewarding good performances and making players wait to return. He will be tempted to leave well alone, especially as Bardsley has been suffering from a stiff back of late and Geoff looked so good at right back this weekend. If Crouch is free to play, he may bring him straight back in though, as he holds the ball up so well, and it will be a big game for him on his return to WHL. I agree about Hughes rewarding good performances, so in light of that who would you see making way for Crouch at the weekend?
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Nov 3, 2014 14:28:59 GMT
There is no doubt that offensively Geoff offered us something that Bardsley simply can't from right back. He was undoubtedly part of the reason that we clicked as on offensive unit for the first real time this season. Disagree completely, Bardsley is just as good, if not better, than Cameron going forward, has a much better cross and is less wasteful and knows what he's doing defensively too. Give Cameron ago in midfield by all means but lets not start pretending he can play rb after one game. How do you mean after one game? I am not knocking Bardsley in any way, he is the better RB defensively, but in my opinion Cameron offers so much more of a threat going forward. As I have mentioned above, I believe Bardsley will come back into the side at the weekend.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 3, 2014 14:33:00 GMT
Disagree completely, Bardsley is just as good, if not better, than Cameron going forward, has a much better cross and is less wasteful and knows what he's doing defensively too. Give Cameron ago in midfield by all means but lets not start pretending he can play rb after one game. How do you mean after one game? I am not knocking Bardsley in any way, he is the better RB defensively, but in my opinion Cameron offers so much more of a threat going forward. As I have mentioned above, I believe Bardsley will come back into the side at the weekend. I mean after one half decent game at right back, Bardsley was clearly brought in because Cameron wasn't good enough (at RB) and couldn't play the position. We'll just have to agree to disagree with who's better going forward, I just can't see how anyone could think Cameron is the better of the two in that respect.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Nov 3, 2014 14:39:08 GMT
How do you mean after one game? I am not knocking Bardsley in any way, he is the better RB defensively, but in my opinion Cameron offers so much more of a threat going forward. As I have mentioned above, I believe Bardsley will come back into the side at the weekend. I mean after one half decent game at right back, Bardsley was clearly brought in because Cameron wasn't good enough (at RB) and couldn't play the position. We'll just have to agree to disagree with who's better going forward, I just can't see how anyone could think Cameron is the better of the two in that respect. Both players have different attributes they bring to the position. As Cameron himself appears to have ruled himself out of competing at RB, it is probably a debate not worth having right now.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 3, 2014 14:43:30 GMT
I mean after one half decent game at right back, Bardsley was clearly brought in because Cameron wasn't good enough (at RB) and couldn't play the position. We'll just have to agree to disagree with who's better going forward, I just can't see how anyone could think Cameron is the better of the two in that respect. Both players have different attributes they bring to the position. As Cameron himself appears to have ruled himself out of competing at RB, it is probably a debate not worth having right now. Cameron brings bugger all, I know, I know, I'll stop now, tbh I'm hoping Hughes gives Sidwell another go in the midfield, apart from a couple of iffy passes I thought he did quite well, more mobile than Adam and from previous experience may have a goal or two in him.
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Post by jezzascfc on Nov 3, 2014 14:50:16 GMT
Hughes is a big one for rewarding good performances and making players wait to return. He will be tempted to leave well alone, especially as Bardsley has been suffering from a stiff back of late and Geoff looked so good at right back this weekend. If Crouch is free to play, he may bring him straight back in though, as he holds the ball up so well, and it will be a big game for him on his return to WHL. I agree about Hughes rewarding good performances, so in light of that who would you see making way for Crouch at the weekend? I can see him considering the Diouf/Crouch combo that worked at Man City to such good effect (Diouf cutting in from the right), playing two solid central midfielders in SNZ and Sidwell behind Adam and resting Bojan and Walters. That would be tough on the Spaniard after his best game for us, but this is a season of learning the league for him and I imagine Hughes was always going to use him sparingly. As for Walters, he is an honest trier and playing some decent stuff of late, but our away tactics of hitting teams with pace on the counter-attack do not quite fit his skill set. We have a squad of players who bring different things to the table, and we should utilise them to fit the tactics chosen for particular games. At Spurs, we will not dominate possession, so we need a solid base to soak up pressure and then pace to hit them on the counter, allied to Crouch being able to hold the ball up so they do not come straight back at us.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 3, 2014 14:56:28 GMT
Adam in for Sidwell. Sent from my GT-I9192 using proboards I'd normally be with you but leaving Adam out might be the play here. With his history he might get their tepid Sunday crowd going and the Spurs players will be out to wind him up. On the other hand he does appear to be in very good form.
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Post by Fred Merger on Nov 3, 2014 15:07:04 GMT
How do you mean after one game? I am not knocking Bardsley in any way, he is the better RB defensively, but in my opinion Cameron offers so much more of a threat going forward. As I have mentioned above, I believe Bardsley will come back into the side at the weekend. I mean after one half decent game at right back, Bardsley was clearly brought in because Cameron wasn't good enough (at RB) and couldn't play the position. We'll just have to agree to disagree with who's better going forward, I just can't see how anyone could think Cameron is the better of the two in that respect. Agreed bardsley was brought in to give us more discipline at right back after the number of goals gcam cost us last season through going walkabout.Did anyone notice when he tripped over that ball in injury time ,who was running in to lash it into the net ,yes charlie adam.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Nov 3, 2014 15:42:47 GMT
I agree about Hughes rewarding good performances, so in light of that who would you see making way for Crouch at the weekend? I can see him considering the Diouf/Crouch combo that worked at Man City to such good effect (Diouf cutting in from the right), playing two solid central midfielders in SNZ and Sidwell behind Adam and resting Bojan and Walters. That would be tough on the Spaniard after his best game for us, but this is a season of learning the league for him and I imagine Hughes was always going to use him sparingly. As for Walters, he is an honest trier and playing some decent stuff of late, but our away tactics of hitting teams with pace on the counter-attack do not quite fit his skill set. We have a squad of players who bring different things to the table, and we should utilise them to fit the tactics chosen for particular games. At Spurs, we will not dominate possession, so we need a solid base to soak up pressure and then pace to hit them on the counter, allied to Crouch being able to hold the ball up so they do not come straight back at us. That is a very well reasoned case for dropping arguably the best two players on the field last Saturday. Horses for courses, but is it in Hughes' M.O?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 3, 2014 15:50:06 GMT
I agree about Hughes rewarding good performances, so in light of that who would you see making way for Crouch at the weekend? I can see him considering the Diouf/Crouch combo that worked at Man City to such good effect (Diouf cutting in from the right), playing two solid central midfielders in SNZ and Sidwell behind Adam and resting Bojan and Walters. That would be tough on the Spaniard after his best game for us, but this is a season of learning the league for him and I imagine Hughes was always going to use him sparingly. As for Walters, he is an honest trier and playing some decent stuff of late, but our away tactics of hitting teams with pace on the counter-attack do not quite fit his skill set. We have a squad of players who bring different things to the table, and we should utilise them to fit the tactics chosen for particular games. At Spurs, we will not dominate possession, so we need a solid base to soak up pressure and then pace to hit them on the counter, allied to Crouch being able to hold the ball up so they do not come straight back at us. Neither should be dropped or rested, I can understand why you would bring Crouch in but I'd stick with the two and then change it if needed, Tottenham look pretty poor this season and we should get at them like we did West Ham, Walters dominated their full back and I don't see why we wouldn't give him another chance to do it again.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Nov 3, 2014 15:51:58 GMT
Both players have different attributes they bring to the position. As Cameron himself appears to have ruled himself out of competing at RB, it is probably a debate not worth having right now. Cameron brings bugger all, I know, I know, I'll stop now, tbh I'm hoping Hughes gives Sidwell another go in the midfield, apart from a couple of iffy passes I thought he did quite well, more mobile than Adam and from previous experience may have a goal or two in him. Haha you just can't help yourself can you. While on the subject of right backs, care to pick the bones out of Wilkinson running around like a headless chicken for Millwall on the weekend Agreed regarding Sidwell though.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 3, 2014 15:58:57 GMT
Cameron brings bugger all, I know, I know, I'll stop now, tbh I'm hoping Hughes gives Sidwell another go in the midfield, apart from a couple of iffy passes I thought he did quite well, more mobile than Adam and from previous experience may have a goal or two in him. Haha you just can't help yourself can you. While on the subject of right backs, care to pick the bones out of Wilkinson running around like a headless chicken for Millwall on the weekend Agreed regarding Sidwell though. Haha Wilko can do no wrong
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 3, 2014 15:58:55 GMT
I'd only change Bardsley for Cameron; tough decision but B is the better RB IMO and has played excellently all season.
I'd prefer to keep Sidwell and keep playing him to give him chance to improve and only drop him if he doesn't cut it.
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Post by 2004 on Nov 3, 2014 16:15:33 GMT
Bego Bardsley Ryan Wilson Erik Geoff Zonz SJW Bojan Victor Mame
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 3, 2014 17:17:41 GMT
Stick with the same 11 that started v WHU. they have earned it.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Nov 3, 2014 17:35:45 GMT
Stick with the same 11 that started v WHU. they have earned it. This ^. Les has got to keep the troops happy and so far good performances have been rewarded with players keeping their places in the starting XI. I don't think Crouch and Bardsley deserved to be dropped either but you cant argue with the football that was on show on Saturday.
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