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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 20:35:42 GMT
Surely Wilson was at fault for the penalty? I don't know why I'm the Wilson bogeyman, as I said in today's Oatcake, I don't think he deserves all the stick he gets. That said, I'm not going to pretend I didn't see things I did with my own eyes. It's every bit as daft to pretend he's immaculate every week as it is to blame him for everything. But he's still doing more than enough to retain the shirt, yes?
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Post by jarhead on Oct 19, 2014 20:35:43 GMT
It's part of the modern game BUT he pulls his shirt which in my book is a foul. Soft yes but can see why he give it.
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Post by steve66 on Oct 19, 2014 20:36:27 GMT
We kick up a stink when opposition players dive so we can't be ignore our own doing it even if it turned the game in our favour. He cheated the Swansea fans who paid good money to come to Stoke today. I'm not saying Bony should get away with it either obviously. I love Moses but all professional fouls should come with a one game ban Why would any professional footballer go down when about to shoot and potentially score? Sit in Boothen so too far away to see clearly.Not seen tv of it yet either but photo clearly shows Moses shirt being tugged.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 19, 2014 20:36:29 GMT
I don't know why I'm the Wilson bogeyman, as I said in today's Oatcake, I don't think he deserves all the stick he gets. That said, I'm not going to pretend I didn't see things I did with my own eyes. It's every bit as daft to pretend he's immaculate every week as it is to blame him for everything. But he's still doing more than enough to retain the shirt, yes? From Bowen's interview he wasn't going to until Huth was injured.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 19, 2014 20:37:23 GMT
I don't know why I'm the Wilson bogeyman, as I said in today's Oatcake, I don't think he deserves all the stick he gets. That said, I'm not going to pretend I didn't see things I did with my own eyes. It's every bit as daft to pretend he's immaculate every week as it is to blame him for everything. But he's still doing more than enough to retain the shirt, yes? I think if he costs us another goal anytime soon Hughes will drop him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 20:38:52 GMT
But he's still doing more than enough to retain the shirt, yes? I think if he costs us another goal anytime soon Hughes will drop him. Yes or no would have sufficed. Is it that difficult to praise one of our own?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 20:39:54 GMT
But he's still doing more than enough to retain the shirt, yes? From Bowen's interview he wasn't going to until Huth was injured. That's probably true mate.
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Post by Billybigbollox on Oct 19, 2014 20:40:26 GMT
Yes as was the shirt tug on Crouch in the first half. Gary Monk is way over the top with his comments and deserves a swift kick to the gonads. Just posted the same. The one on Crouch was the most nailed on of the lot. They never even mentioned it after the game.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 19, 2014 20:40:54 GMT
But he's still doing more than enough to retain the shirt, yes? I think if he costs us another goal anytime soon Hughes will drop him. For who?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 19, 2014 20:42:16 GMT
Just posted the same. The one on Crouch was the most nailed on of the lot. They never even mentioned it after the game. About 24 minutes in. Shirt pulled at the back stick, it was glossed over very quickly.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 19, 2014 20:42:27 GMT
I think if he costs us another goal anytime soon Hughes will drop him. Yes or no would have sufficed. Is it that difficult to praise one of our own? No. I do it all the time. I've praised the good things Wilson did. I'm not going to pretend to be blind about the worrying things in his game though.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 19, 2014 20:43:01 GMT
I think if he costs us another goal anytime soon Hughes will drop him. For who? How long's Huth out for? Him or Muniesa, I'd imagine. Maybe Cameron.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 20:43:32 GMT
Yes or no would have sufficed. Is it that difficult to praise one of our own? No. I do it all the time. I've praised the good things Wilson did. I'm not going to pretend to be blind about the worrying things in his game though. So he did enough today to retain the shirt?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 19, 2014 20:44:10 GMT
How long's Huth out for? Him or Muniesa, I'd imagine. Maybe Cameron. Fair enough, I don't think he needs dropping tbh, he does get more stick than he deserves, had a great game today.
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Oct 19, 2014 20:47:36 GMT
What's up lads? Sounds like we've gone as soft as Bony and co. Stuff this modern game bollocks, it was nowhere near a penalty. A penalty, to me, is when a player is prevented from continuing on his course when there is no possibility of him being able to do so. Did the defenders touch on Moses' shirt prevent him from getting to the ball, or even slow him down? No. In my mind, that isn't a penalty. In the modern game, sadly, it possibly is. And I say that with gritted teeth, a clenched jaw and curled toes.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 19, 2014 20:48:43 GMT
No. I do it all the time. I've praised the good things Wilson did. I'm not going to pretend to be blind about the worrying things in his game though. So he did enough today to retain the shirt? I'm not sure. I'm not desperate to see him dropped but I'm not convinced by him either. While he's making these lapses most games that see us punished so often, it's hard to be totally confident about him, despite him being mostly pretty good for the rest of the game. On the fence.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 20:48:53 GMT
For all those justifying it: WE GO 1-0 UP AWAY AT THE LIBERTY, NATHAN DYER DOES EXACTLY WHAT MOSES DOES AND WE LOSE 2-1 How do we react? Am I imagining this picture of Moses having his shirt pulled in the box.
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 19, 2014 20:49:36 GMT
Oh good, we've become the sort of supporters who say things like 'he's entitled to throw himself at the floor because somebody touched his shirt'.
In the modern game it's probably a foul. That said, the modern game is a load of absolute shit.
Three cheers for the Premier League.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 19, 2014 20:49:48 GMT
What's up lads? Sounds like we've gone as soft as Bony and co. Stuff this modern game bollocks, it was nowhere near a penalty. A penalty, to me, is when a player is prevented from continuing on his course when there is no possibility of him being able to do so. Did the defenders touch on Moses' shirt prevent him from getting to the ball, or even slow him down? No. In my mind, that isn't a penalty. In the modern game, sadly, it possibly is. And I say that with gritted teeth, a clenched jaw and curled toes. A penalty is when a foul is committed in the penalty area. A tug of the shirt is a foul. Manhandling a bloke is a foul. That's what the rules say.
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Oct 19, 2014 20:55:36 GMT
What's up lads? Sounds like we've gone as soft as Bony and co. Stuff this modern game bollocks, it was nowhere near a penalty. A penalty, to me, is when a player is prevented from continuing on his course when there is no possibility of him being able to do so. Did the defenders touch on Moses' shirt prevent him from getting to the ball, or even slow him down? No. In my mind, that isn't a penalty. In the modern game, sadly, it possibly is. And I say that with gritted teeth, a clenched jaw and curled toes. A penalty is when a foul is committed in the penalty area. A tug of the shirt is a foul. Manhandling a bloke is a foul. That's what the rules say. What I'm trying to say is Moses could have carried on and so probably should have done. Technically it is a penalty, but that's the referee's decision to make, Not Moses'.
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Post by mrred on Oct 19, 2014 20:56:59 GMT
Gary 'fucking' Monk seems to think it as never in a million years. Real shame...
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 19, 2014 20:57:47 GMT
A penalty is when a foul is committed in the penalty area. A tug of the shirt is a foul. Manhandling a bloke is a foul. That's what the rules say. What I'm trying to say is Moses could have carried on and so probably should have done. Technically it is a penalty, but that's the referee's decision to make, Not Moses'. Yeah, the dive was unedifying. But it was still a penalty.
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Post by redwhitesingfight on Oct 19, 2014 20:58:14 GMT
Any player in a red and white shirt can do no wrong. Its as simple as that.
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Oct 19, 2014 21:00:49 GMT
What I'm trying to say is Moses could have carried on and so probably should have done. Technically it is a penalty, but that's the referee's decision to make, Not Moses'. Yeah, the dive was unedifying. But it was still a penalty. Unfortunately, you are correct.
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Post by minty1964 on Oct 19, 2014 21:02:22 GMT
reference shawcross 1st then moses 2nd incidents... we all know this happens week in week out...and the worse offenders are skrtl, terry, ivanovic and koscelny... but the media don't want to highlight this as their special interviews and access to top club players diminishes... to be honest i couldn't give a toss..it was a penalty but then as chelsea, arsenal, liverpool and manure players and managers alike claim they are being hampered when touched in any way in the area, it's knocking the striker off his stride...then so be it...moses has the right to a penalty also... it's not what i want football to be and certainly disagree with both pens...but as a previous poster said...we scored the only proper goal of the game,, another said monk is showing the strains of pressure...true, he knows his honeymoon period is over... and lastly..the standard and bar has now been set..if every ref in every match in the country, on tv or not, in the prem or not, now sends off players for mauling in the area..then i applaud them.....however, the reality of the situation is we have a young ref wearing his make up for the telly, listening to the media driven galacticos of the top 4 or 5, wanting to be the selected ref for the next euros...AND USING STOKE AS HIS FUCKING SHOWPIECE EXPERIMENT.... we will all watch every match from now on and hopefully batter the FA, Players Union, and refs Association if we see anything in the area of any match that seems untoward :-) Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/235781/gary-monk-blown-lid?page=4#ixzz3GcvHQPwx
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Post by Davef on Oct 19, 2014 21:02:38 GMT
A penalty is when a foul is committed in the penalty area. A tug of the shirt is a foul. Manhandling a bloke is a foul. That's what the rules say. What I'm trying to say is Moses could have carried on and so probably should have done. Technically it is a penalty, but that's the referee's decision to make, Not Moses'. Moses was fouled. Had he carried on and nothing come of it we'd possibly have lost that game. When players like Rangel - and it has to be said, Ryan - stop fouling in that manner, then there will be no excuse for players to go to ground easily. I really don't see why people are so outraged at players trying to gain an advantage in this way. Defenders get away with much, much more than attacking players are given by referees. They are cheating just as much as forwards. If Rangel had made absolutely no contact with Moses and our player had conned the referee a la Ashley Young, then that would have been a different matter, but I'm quite comfortable with Moses' action today.
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Post by mattythestokie on Oct 19, 2014 21:04:53 GMT
Clear dive for me. He grabs his shirt, but doesn't pull it and certainly doesn't do anywhere near enough to make him go down. If that was against us, it would be hell on hear.
Then again, it's about time we stopped playing by the rules and getting mugged off by everyone else.
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Post by tonk1985 on Oct 19, 2014 21:08:43 GMT
Who ever started this thread want take a long hard look we had a ref that gave everything to Swansea and we were the ome team so ssumtimes u have to fight fire with fire gud on u Moses
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Post by ianstokie on Oct 19, 2014 21:08:51 GMT
Michael Owen would say,
"He's entitled to go down"
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 19, 2014 21:09:29 GMT
We kick up a stink when opposition players dive so we can't be ignore our own doing it even if it turned the game in our favour. He cheated the Swansea fans who paid good money to come to Stoke today. I'm not saying Bony should get away with it either obviously. I love Moses but all professional fouls should come with a one game ban Is that because TP says so?
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