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Post by passtheoatcakes on Oct 19, 2014 20:45:00 GMT
There is a photo on the BBC website report of the match that shows Rangel does have a handful of Moses' shirt, whether or not it was enough to make him go down, it does show there was something for Oliver to make a decision on. Whether you agree with it or not, the consensus this year from all the ex pros, who now commentate on the games, is that "they're entitled to go down".... unless they're a Stoke player of course! Hansen's exact words (I think it may have been dimwit Shearer) last season on MOTD, 'contact in the box and you should go down'.
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Post by minty1964 on Oct 19, 2014 20:45:21 GMT
we all know this happens week in week out...and the worse offenders are skrtl, terry, ivanovic and koscelny... but the media don't want to highlight this as their special interviews and access to top club players diminishes... to be honest i couldn't give a toss..it was a penalty
but then as chelsea, arsenal, liverpool and manure players and managers alike claim they are being hampered when touched in any way in the area, it's knocking the striker off his stride...then so be it...moses has the right to a penalty also...
it's not what i want football to be and certainly disagree with both pens...but as a previous poster said...we scored the only proper goal of the game,, another said monk is showing the strains of pressure...true, he knows his honeymoon period is over...
and lastly..the standard and bar has now been set..if every ref in every match in the country, on tv or not, in the prem or not, now sends off players for mauling in the area..then i applaud them.....however, the reality of the situation is
we have a young ref wearing his make up for the telly, listening to the media driven galacticos of the top 4 or 5, wanting to be the selected ref for the next euros...AND USING STOKE AS HIS FUCKING SHOWPIECE EXPERIMENT....
we will all watch every match from now on and hopefully batter the FA, Players Union, and refs Association if we see anything in the area of any match that seems untoward :-)
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Post by passtheoatcakes on Oct 19, 2014 20:57:43 GMT
Have to be honest, when i first our penalty at the ground I was fully expecting Moses to get carded for diving. Me and my old man looked at each other as if to say "he's dived", and even now i'm not 100% convinced that he didn't dive. As for their penalty, Shawcross has been doing that every game for 6 years, and a referee is bound to have a word with him at some point. I saw Oliver warn Shawcross and he carried on pulling, so I think it's a 50-50 to be honest. Yes he may have done, he and every other defender in the Premier League and every other football league and football match throughout the world over the same period. There is a world of difference between players dancing and wrestling in the box and the two footed lunge that got Apsellathingy sent off yesterday. One is impossible to eradicate and the other has no place in the modern game. If Crouch had a fiver for every time he was mauled (defenders seem to like to climb all over him and plant a flag on his summit from some reason) he would be an even richer man than he is already. Said it before, if football becomes a clinical totally non contact sport then I am going to take up tiddlywinks.
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Post by mrred on Oct 19, 2014 21:00:55 GMT
Welcome to the Premier League dickhead.
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Post by coates on Oct 19, 2014 21:07:57 GMT
we all know this happens week in week out...and the worse offenders are skrtl, terry, ivanovic and koscelny... but the media don't want to highlight this as their special interviews and access to top club players diminishes... to be honest i couldn't give a toss..it was a penalty but then as chelsea, arsenal, liverpool and manure players and managers alike claim they are being hampered when touched in any way in the area, it's knocking the striker off his stride...then so be it...moses has the right to a penalty also... it's not what i want football to be and certainly disagree with both pens...but as a previous poster said...we scored the only proper goal of the game,, another said monk is showing the strains of pressure...true, he knows his honeymoon period is over... and lastly..the standard and bar has now been set..if every ref in every match in the country, on tv or not, in the prem or not, now sends off players for mauling in the area..then i applaud them.....however, the reality of the situation is we have a young ref wearing his make up for the telly, listening to the media driven galacticos of the top 4 or 5, wanting to be the selected ref for the next euros...AND USING STOKE AS HIS FUCKING SHOWPIECE EXPERIMENT.... we will all watch every match from now on and hopefully batter the FA, Players Union, and refs Association if we see anything in the area of any match that seems untoward :-) You won't see another penalty like what Swansea got today, probably has the fact them folk at bt sport had a good time highlighting ryan when we played qpr.
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 19, 2014 21:30:15 GMT
A few years ago Steve 'not that one' Davies of Crewe held a major emergency press conference to announce to the world's press (sadly limited to a bloke from the Crewe Chronicle who shared his notes with The Sentinel later) that he would never allow his teams to play like nasty Stoke do, especially on set pieces.
Happily, nobody at Stoke gave a damn because he's a Third Division nobody who we don't even have to acknowledge. Monk can be put in the same category.
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Post by swampySCFC on Oct 19, 2014 21:32:35 GMT
Gary Monk is a twat. Simples
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 21:51:22 GMT
Gary Monk. Rhyming slang?
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Post by ChiefWiggum on Oct 19, 2014 22:32:18 GMT
I remember last season when Liverpool played Villa, Suarez gets in the box, runs towards Guzan and throws himself to the ground when there was no contact but the referee was the wrong side. Every fucker on MOTD wanking themselves into a frenzy about how clever he was to win the penalty and it was great play. And don't get me started on that Sterling fucker against us last season... But now a Stoke player does it he should be burnt at the stake.
I agree that diving is wrong and it's ruining the game and yes it was a soft penalty for Victor today but it just shows how biased the media are about it towards the bigger clubs. And Gary Monk clearly has a short memory calling Victor a cheat and a disgrace when Bony was falling over whenever one of our defenders went near him.
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Post by 2004 on Oct 19, 2014 22:44:38 GMT
Complete overeaction from an inexperienced manager.
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Post by Linx on Oct 20, 2014 5:35:32 GMT
The ref's decisions were a useful diversion from one salient fact: Swansea have not won a game since August. Monk is not responding well to his first big test as a manager, is he?
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 20, 2014 6:05:44 GMT
The ref's decisions were a useful diversion from one salient fact: Swansea have not won a game since August. Monk is not responding well to his first big test as a manager, is he? Typical manager - deflect attention from what he is responsible for onto something else. I don't think he is fooling too many Swansea fans though. They lost the game because they didn't score when they were on top in the first half and couldn't respond to Stoke's change in approach in the second.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 20, 2014 6:07:54 GMT
'If I'd done that, I wouldn't be able to go home, its the sort of person I am'
What an absolute fucking bellend.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 6:34:21 GMT
Let's look at the evidence here. Spells Garry with two r's - tick Wears a Gilet - tick hmmmm.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Oct 20, 2014 6:37:38 GMT
I remember last season when Liverpool played Villa, Suarez gets in the box, runs towards Guzan and throws himself to the ground when there was no contact but the referee was the wrong side. Every fucker on MOTD wanking themselves into a frenzy about how clever he was to win the penalty and it was great play. And don't get me started on that Sterling fucker against us last season... But now a Stoke player does it he should be burnt at the stake. I agree that diving is wrong and it's ruining the game and yes it was a soft penalty for Victor today but it just shows how biased the media are about it towards the bigger clubs. And Gary Monk clearly has a short memory calling Victor a cheat and a disgrace when Bony was falling over whenever one of our defenders went near him. This, especially with reference to Sterling against us.
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Post by StoKeith on Oct 20, 2014 6:42:12 GMT
For me, it boils down to whether you think a player should be allowed to "flop" to highlight a bit of contact. Both Bony and Moses flopped after a bit of contact and won penalties. If Monk is going to criticise Moses (a proper monk would never criticise Moses), then he should castigate Bony for the same crime.
If anything, Bony was holding Shawcross just as much, so he managed to foul and dive at the same time. Impressive cheating from Bony to be fair.
Also, everyone seemed to miss Taylor's shirt tug on Crouch in the first half. Predictably, Niall Quinn described it as "clever defending", when it was a clear foul in the box on replay. Can't blame the ref for missing that one though as it was very sneaky cheating. But Gary Monk is OK with cheating as long as it's his players doing it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 10:03:50 GMT
Why didn't monk mention the blatant dive by Bony to try and get a second penalty. Wouldn't have been moaning then, would he?
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Post by NassauDave on Oct 20, 2014 10:12:26 GMT
He can fuck right off back to Dads Army.
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Post by chuckrocky on Oct 20, 2014 11:05:07 GMT
"It was one of the most blatant dives you'll ever see, you can go and watch a million games now and you wont see more of a dive than that" Attachment Deleted
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Post by chayzenbacon on Oct 20, 2014 11:06:02 GMT
He can fuck right off back to Dads Army. You've lost me there bud
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Post by brumstokie on Oct 20, 2014 11:08:26 GMT
He can fuck right off back to Dads Army. You've lost me there bud Reference to his Brylcreem hairstyle?
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Post by jeycov on Oct 20, 2014 21:12:50 GMT
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Post by jester on Oct 20, 2014 21:28:07 GMT
Dear Mr Monk, Thought you were quite a decent fellow until yesterday (bollocks to that thought) Sorry Stokies if this has already been covered but I knew there was something controversial about Chico Flores (he the very same who equalised against us last season.) Studied Youtube footage of Andy Carroll's sending off last season. At worst,he brushed the top of his hair,clear to see,yet the scumbag rolls around and around as if castrated. Please have a good look Monk,because if you are serious about cheats then try fining Chico retrospectively,sorry you can't the cheating git doesn't play for you anymore.
Your'e a sore loser because you should have been well ahead at half time but weren't. Have a good look at the penalty,it was soft,but one camera angle indicates an arm movement from Rangel.
The only other comment I've got to make is this
F O B T S
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 20, 2014 22:15:24 GMT
Let's look at the evidence here. Spells Garry with two r's - tick Wears a Gilet - tick hmmmm. Body warmer wanker.
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Post by NassauDave on Oct 21, 2014 3:26:08 GMT
He can fuck right off back to Dads Army. You've lost me there bud He looks like an extra from the original show.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Oct 21, 2014 6:22:51 GMT
The rookie Monk is now exposed as a complete liar by fabricating all that bollocks about having sent a dossier of evidence to Mike Riley showing the bias against Swansea, this is a quote from the article on BBC Football website yesterday under the title "Swansea boss could face FA charges".......
Monk had said about Riley: "I've sent a DVD off, with a letter, but I've had no contact from Mike Riley. "I think that's very poor leadership from him. He is clearly not listening and I have to go above him, and hopefully we will get the answers. "We just want to know why there is no consistency in the big decisions that have changed games for us."
"The correspondence from Swansea was received by PGMOL on Monday morning," said a spokesperson. "Mike will no doubt be speaking to Garry this week."
In addition there are now two photos doing the rounds of Rangel pulling on Moses shirt to impede him. Both are taken a split second apart but the first clearly shows him holding his shirt and the second shows Moses falling over with Rangel still holding onto his shirt. The FA have to throw the book at Monk for bringing the game into disrepute and for the vitriol spat out when interviewed accusing Victor Moses of cheating and Mike Riley of poor leadership. Why can't people now be honest and apologise for heat of the moment comments that threaten to affect a players career. Similar to the aftermath of Ramseygate IMO. PS I have both pictures on my Flickr account but don't know how to upload it onto here.
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Post by gilberto on Oct 21, 2014 7:45:11 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 21, 2014 9:02:16 GMT
I don't want him to apologise, the damage is already done. I do however want the press to remind him of 'if my players do that, they won't play the next game' WHENEVER one of his players goes down next.
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 21, 2014 9:15:33 GMT
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 21, 2014 9:41:53 GMT
Looks like a pen to me.
The Sky commentary team thought the first was a definite penalty then spent the rest of the match going on about how strong Bony is - so how the hell do end up on the ground?
Bony had hold of Ryan. Ryan had hold of Bony. Williams stuck a leg out to trip Ryan. Bony thru himself onto the ground.
Incredibly generous.
Ian Wright on 606 thought the first was a pen but said MH will have right to be angry if refs don't continue to apply this interpretation of the law: (1) Why should we be the ones to suffer as this law is implemented. (2) It won't be applied in future weeks will it.
So on the basis of last night's game where the same grappling went unpunished - Sunday was the implementation of a rule specific for us.
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