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Post by Pugsley on Oct 19, 2014 22:09:48 GMT
In your opinion, which doesn't make you right. Yeah but by your own admission your opinion is that Whelan is always poor because you don't like him. And the suggestion that he doesn't pass forward is pretty easy to disprove because it's, you know, bollocks. I've already said Whelan has been playing OK so stop making shit up. He spends most of the time facing his own goal, you know that is not bollocks.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 19, 2014 22:11:56 GMT
Yeah but by your own admission your opinion is that Whelan is always poor because you don't like him. And the suggestion that he doesn't pass forward is pretty easy to disprove because it's, you know, bollocks. I've already said Whelan has been playing OK so stop making shit up. He spends most of the time facing his own goal, you know that is not bollocks. It is bollocks, and you yourself said last week you can't be doing with Whelan despite the vast, vast majority of fans feeling he was excellent throughout last season, so how is that making shit up?
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 19, 2014 22:16:28 GMT
I've already said Whelan has been playing OK so stop making shit up. He spends most of the time facing his own goal, you know that is not bollocks. It is bollocks, and you yourself said last week you can't be doing with Whelan despite the vast, vast majority of fans feeling he was excellent throughout last season, so how is that making shit up? I've said on this thread he's been playing OK, so how is that me saying he's always poor?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 19, 2014 22:20:00 GMT
It is bollocks, and you yourself said last week you can't be doing with Whelan despite the vast, vast majority of fans feeling he was excellent throughout last season, so how is that making shit up? I've said on this thread he's been playing OK, so how is that me saying he's always poor? Ok is damning with faint praise for starters, you said yourself on a thread last week that you couldn't be doing with him irrespective of how he played. Your mind's made up before a ball's been kicked.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 19, 2014 22:23:59 GMT
I've said on this thread he's been playing OK, so how is that me saying he's always poor? Ok is damning with faint praise for starters, you said yourself on a thread last week that you couldn't be doing with him irrespective of how he played. So what if I did? In my opinion he has been playing OK so it makes you wrong when you say I always say he's poor. It appears you can't handle anyone having a different opinion than yours. Btw, we won the game and Glenn wasn't playing. Last time out with our super defensive shield playing we got mullered 3 at a team that conceded 8 yesterday. Oh I forgot, Wilson was a fault for all of those goals.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 19, 2014 22:25:26 GMT
I would love to know who else you lot would have as Ryan's partner right now? Spoilt with choice are we not?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 19, 2014 22:27:14 GMT
Ok is damning with faint praise for starters, you said yourself on a thread last week that you couldn't be doing with him irrespective of how he played. So what if I did? In my opinion he has been playing OK so it makes you wrong when you say I always say he's poor. It appears you can't handle anyone having a different opinion than yours. I've got no time for blinkered, pre-conceived opinions like yours on Whelan. The 'playing ok' thing's come from nowhere given last week you were telling us he's 'dog shit'.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 19, 2014 22:28:38 GMT
Ok is damning with faint praise for starters, you said yourself on a thread last week that you couldn't be doing with him irrespective of how he played. So what if I did? In my opinion he has been playing OK so it makes you wrong when you say I always say he's poor. It appears you can't handle anyone having a different opinion than yours. Btw, we won the game and Glenn wasn't playing. Last time out with our super defensive shield playing we got mullered 3 at a team that conceded 8 yesterday. Oh I forgot, Wilson was a fault for all of those goals. I didn't say Wilson was at fault for all of those goals but he was for at least one of them. The only reason we didn't 'get mullered 3' today was because they missed two stone cold sitters in the first 10 minutes.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 19, 2014 22:30:41 GMT
Cameron was very good. Intelligent, kept the ball well, used it well. Just what we'd been missing for the first hour or so. Anyone who thinks Whelan doesn't influence games doesn't know anything about football. The first 70 minutes made it pretty clear that he does. Wilson had his usual game. Solid for the vast majority then a couple of dodgy moments where Ryan had to rescue him. He doesn't influence games though does he? Â Influencing games means making the difference, creating chances, scoring goals, RUNNING the game. Â Whelan is a destroyer. Â Cameron showed us what can be done in that role - whether he can keep though performances going for 90 minutes week in week out is another argument but today he was superb. Wilson had a super game up against one of the toughest opponents anyone will face all season - one error when he misjudged a high ball and Ryan read it and cleared it. Â There are few defenders in world football that don't make a mistake a game. Of course he influences games, to say he doesn't, is the same as suggesting that Ryan or Bego don't influence games either.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 19, 2014 22:31:41 GMT
So what if I did? In my opinion he has been playing OK so it makes you wrong when you say I always say he's poor. It appears you can't handle anyone having a different opinion than yours. I've got no time for blinkered, pre-conceived opinions like yours on Whelan. The 'playing ok' thing's come from nowhere given last week you were telling us he's 'dog shit'. How come we won today? All we had was hysteria last week, some from yourself, when we heard Glenn wasn't playing? Last time he played we got a shoeing from one of the worst teams in the league. Irreplaceable was bandied about ffs.
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Oct 19, 2014 22:32:21 GMT
I like Glenn, been a different player underHughes. However Cameron does back up the point that a DM can drive forward & make things happen as well as fulfilling his defensive duties. Perfect example was against Belgium in the world cup. He never cost 25 mil either.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 19, 2014 22:33:04 GMT
He doesn't influence games though does he? Influencing games means making the difference, creating chances, scoring goals, RUNNING the game. Whelan is a destroyer. Cameron showed us what can be done in that role - whether he can keep though performances going for 90 minutes week in week out is another argument but today he was superb. Wilson had a super game up against one of the toughest opponents anyone will face all season - one error when he misjudged a high ball and Ryan read it and cleared it. There are few defenders in world football that don't make a mistake a game. Of course he influences games, to say he doesn't is the same as suggesting that Ryan or Bego doesn't influence games either. oh hello, Rob's got his mate in to give him a hand.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 19, 2014 22:33:42 GMT
I've got no time for blinkered, pre-conceived opinions like yours on Whelan. The 'playing ok' thing's come from nowhere given last week you were telling us he's 'dog shit'. How come we won today? All we had was hysteria last week, some from yourself, when we heard Glenn wasn't playing? Last time he played we got a shoeing from one of the worst teams in the league. Irreplaceable was bandied about ffs. We got away with it today. First half we were wide open and lucky not to be two or three down. Second half we were better and they tried to sit on the point.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 19, 2014 22:34:08 GMT
Of course he influences games, to say he doesn't is the same as suggesting that Ryan or Bego doesn't influence games either. oh hello, Rob's got his mate in to give him a hand. How old are you? Christ mate.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 19, 2014 22:34:23 GMT
I would love to know who else you lot would have as Ryan's partner right now? Spoilt with choice are we not? Anyone?
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 19, 2014 22:35:12 GMT
oh hello, Rob's got his mate in to give him a hand. How old are you? Christ mate. Now you can't take a light hearted crack. Get over yourself ffs.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 19, 2014 22:35:14 GMT
I like Glenn, been a different player underHughes. However Cameron does back up the point that a DM can drive forward & make things happen as well as furfilling his defensive duties. Perfect example was against Belgium in the world cup. He never cost 25 mil either. It was a good 20 minute cameo in which 7 of his 15 passes still went backwards. Can't help feeling people are getting carried away.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 19, 2014 22:35:44 GMT
How old are you? Christ mate. Now you can't take a light hearted crack. Get over yourself ffs. You should be on Mock The Week mate. You'd fit right in.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 19, 2014 22:35:47 GMT
I've got no time for blinkered, pre-conceived opinions like yours on Whelan. The 'playing ok' thing's come from nowhere given last week you were telling us he's 'dog shit'. How come we won today? Â All we had was hysteria last week, some from yourself, when we heard Glenn wasn't playing? Â Last time he played we got a shoeing from one of the worst teams in the league. Irreplaceable was bandied about ffs. Ah right we won today and lost last time out because Glenn Whelan was and wasn't playing. Brilliant Pugsley.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 19, 2014 22:36:45 GMT
How come we won today? All we had was hysteria last week, some from yourself, when we heard Glenn wasn't playing? Last time he played we got a shoeing from one of the worst teams in the league. Irreplaceable was bandied about ffs. We got away with it today. First half we were wide open and lucky not to be two or three down. Second half we were better and they tried to sit on the point. Today had bugger all to do with Wilson - it was the shocking decision of Hughes to play a midfield three that got over run. We got away with that and he saw the error and thankfully corrected second half
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 19, 2014 22:37:43 GMT
We got away with it today. First half we were wide open and lucky not to be two or three down. Second half we were better and they tried to sit on the point. Today had bugger all to do with Wilson - it was the shocking decision of Hughes to play a midfield three that got over run. We got away with that and he saw the error and thankfully corrected second half I agree. I haven't blamed Wilson.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 19, 2014 22:39:31 GMT
How come we won today? All we had was hysteria last week, some from yourself, when we heard Glenn wasn't playing? Last time he played we got a shoeing from one of the worst teams in the league. Irreplaceable was bandied about ffs. Ah right we won today and lost last time out because Glenn Whelan was and wasn't playing. Brilliant Pugsley. The point is that we won when the likes of you were saying a player was irreplaceable. Wrong again. I look forward to the told you so brigade when Wilson gets left out and we win a game.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 19, 2014 22:40:08 GMT
We got away with it today. First half we were wide open and lucky not to be two or three down. Second half we were better and they tried to sit on the point. Today had bugger all to do with Wilson - it was the shocking decision of Hughes to play a midfield three that got over run. We got away with that and he saw the error and thankfully corrected second half Not really sure what your point has got to do with Wilson mate and Rob has said many times that he wouldn't play Ireland and Adam in the same midfield.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 19, 2014 22:40:12 GMT
Today had bugger all to do with Wilson - it was the shocking decision of Hughes to play a midfield three that got over run. We got away with that and he saw the error and thankfully corrected second half I agree. I haven't blamed Wilson. I was commenting on the sentiment of the thread. As stated earlier, given where we are at present, who replaces Wilson anyway? We are not spoilt for choice
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Post by lordb on Oct 19, 2014 22:41:42 GMT
I think what we can all agree on is a midfield of Nzonzi,Adam and Ireland doesn't work sadly. Be interesting choice next week
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Oct 19, 2014 22:42:46 GMT
I like Glenn, been a different player underHughes. However Cameron does back up the point that a DM can drive forward & make things happen as well as furfilling his defensive duties. Perfect example was against Belgium in the world cup. He never cost 25 mil either. It was a good 20 minute cameo in which 7 of his 15 passes still went backwards. Can't help feeling people are getting carried away. Its not about a 20 minute cameo tho Rob. He did it for 120 against Belgium. He was outstanding. I like Whelan, he has become a different player under Hughes. However like I said on another thread all DM's are different. Geoff not only has the vision to create/pick a pass going forward but the athleticism to get up & down the pitch. He also is good on the ball and had great awareness. I think them 2 seasons at full back will of helped massively.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 19, 2014 22:44:48 GMT
It was a good 20 minute cameo in which 7 of his 15 passes still went backwards. Can't help feeling people are getting carried away. Its not about a 20 minute cameo tho Rob. He did it for 120 against Belgium. He was outstanding. I like Whelan, he has become a different player under Hughes. However like I said on another thread all DM's are different. Geoff not only has the vision to create/pick a pass going forward but the athleticism to get up & down the pitch. He also is good on the ball and had great awareness. I think them 2 seasons at full back will of helped massively. Which is absolutely right - See the Korean lad for Swansea today.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 19, 2014 22:44:50 GMT
Ah right we won today and lost last time out because Glenn Whelan was and wasn't playing. Brilliant Pugsley. The point is that we won when the likes of you were saying a player was irreplaceable. Wrong again. I look forward to the told you so brigade when Wilson gets left out and we win a game. There's not one person on here who said he was irreplaceable mate. More, a lot of (indeed most) of the people on here appreciate him, when you (openly admit that you) don't rate him.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 19, 2014 22:46:30 GMT
It was a good 20 minute cameo in which 7 of his 15 passes still went backwards. Can't help feeling people are getting carried away. Its not about a 20 minute cameo tho Rob. He did it for 120 against Belgium. He was outstanding. I like Whelan, he has become a different player under Hughes. However like I said on another thread all DM's are different. Geoff not only has the vision to create/pick a pass going forward but the athleticism to get up & down the pitch. He also is good on the ball and had great awareness. I think them 2 seasons at full back will of helped massively. I didn't think he was outstanding in that game either Ash. I'm happy for him to get a go there at Southampton though.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 19, 2014 22:46:58 GMT
The point is that we won when the likes of you were saying a player was irreplaceable. Wrong again. I look forward to the told you so brigade when Wilson gets left out and we win a game. There's not one person on here who said he was irreplaceable mate. More, a lot of (indeed most) of the people on here appreciate him, when you (openly admit that) you don't rate him. I don't rate him no, i've said that position could do more than Whelan offers which was PROVEN today in a 20 minute spell by Geoff Cameron (who I don't rate that highly either!!!)
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