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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 26, 2014 18:57:59 GMT
You need creative players, but not exclusively creative players - balance is important. I'm an Ireland fan but I thought he was atrocious on Tuesday. I'm not the world's biggest Adam fan but he's playing well and worth his place at the moment for me. Yeah agree with that Rob. We always seem to look a better team with Adam in it most noticeably against Villa and Hull this season along with countless occasions towards the end of TP's reign. Where does all this leave Bojan? Didn't even come off the bench in midweek which thought a little odd given how poor Ireland looked. Strange I've always thought we look better as a team with Ireland in it, he does much more for the team imo, Adam has been okay but he still loses the ball to often for me, wouldn't be surprised see Ireland start even though it wasn't his best game at Sunderland.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 26, 2014 19:06:16 GMT
Yeah agree with that Rob. We always seem to look a better team with Adam in it most noticeably against Villa and Hull this season along with countless occasions towards the end of TP's reign. Where does all this leave Bojan? Didn't even come off the bench in midweek which thought a little odd given how poor Ireland looked. Strange I've always thought we look better as a team with Ireland in it, he does much more for the team imo, Adam has been okay but he still loses the ball to often for me, wouldn't be surprised see Ireland start even though it wasn't his best game at Sunderland. Generally we look better with Ireland in it too but if we are talking about Adam since he signed for us I think he was along with Jerome the fine margin between us sliding into the relegation zone and staying up. Under Hughes we haven't seen a great deal of him in a starting role but even off the bench he's transformed the team at times which was very noticeable against Villa and Hull.
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Post by robstokie on Sept 26, 2014 19:09:51 GMT
I would go for
Bego
Bardsley Wilson Ryan Muniesa
N Zonzi Whelan
Diouf Adam Moses
Crouch
I think the only change we should make from QPR is Muniesa coming in for pieters.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2014 19:13:15 GMT
My team would be nothing like what Hughes will go for Butland Bardsley Shawcross Wilson Muniesa Nzonzi Whelan Moses Adam Assaidi Crouch
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Post by robstokie on Sept 26, 2014 19:22:33 GMT
My team would be nothing like what Hughes will go for Butland Bardsley Shawcross Wilson Muniesa Nzonzi Whelan Moses Adam Assaidi Crouch So, basically, the same team I put with Butland over Bego and Assaidi over Diouf?
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Post by manchesterpotter on Sept 26, 2014 19:26:09 GMT
Please win. Just fucking win this. Just win it. Come on Stoke. Win it. They're shite. Just score more than them. Pleae, please win, you bastards.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 26, 2014 19:28:08 GMT
I'm not convinced they're shite. Got some good players.
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 26, 2014 19:45:45 GMT
Hughes likes Ireland and, when we are playing well, he seems to fit into the attacking midfield role well, keeping the wheels of the machine well oiled, probing from behind the lone forward and getting the wide men involved. If we are struggling he seems to disappear, though, and is not one to help to dig us out of a hole. On the other hand, Charlie has often come on and made things happen, popping up with a goal or an assist, but he frequently looks less impressive when starting (his lack of mobility stands out) and, if we are trying to get back to a fast paced passing game, is Adam really the man for the job?
I think neither is the perfect fit, but I'd be tempted to start Ireland in the advanced midfield role. He contributed to our impressive end to last season and has only been out due to injury.
Muniesa's MoM display at Sunderland certainly deserves some recognition, and Butland must be pushing Asmir hard for a start. Out wide Diouf and Moses are the men in possession and neither Arnie nor Ossie should displace either on current form, whilst Crouch continues to be our best option as the focal point of the attack.
Begovic
Bardsley Shawcross Wilson Muniesa
N'Zonzi Whelan
Diouf Ireland Moses
Crouch
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Post by march4 on Sept 26, 2014 19:50:37 GMT
Same team as QPR please.
I appreciate the calls for Muniesa and his chance will soon come.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 26, 2014 20:10:11 GMT
Adam behind Crouch never works. Too slow.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2014 20:15:31 GMT
Same team as QPR please. I appreciate the calls for Muniesa and his chance will soon come. Muniesa in for Pieters,apart from that I agree
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 26, 2014 20:30:13 GMT
I would go for Bego Bardsley Wilson Ryan Muniesa N Zonzi Whelan Diouf Adam Moses Crouch I think the only change we should make from QPR is Muniesa coming in for pieters. Adam didn't play in the hole at QPR - we played 4-3-3. I agree with sticking with the same team as against QPR but I'd stick with the same formation too. I didn't think Muniesa was great against Sunderland defensively and would stick with Pieters at left back, although I can see an argument for Muniesa possibly replacing Adam in a 4-3-3 if he has to play. I wouldn't be disappointed if the Huthmeister returned either.
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Post by heavysoul on Sept 26, 2014 20:41:17 GMT
Hopefully The Brit will become a fortress again Castle are there for the taking they are really poor.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 26, 2014 20:42:13 GMT
I would go for Bego Bardsley Wilson Ryan Muniesa N Zonzi Whelan Diouf Adam Moses Crouch I think the only change we should make from QPR is Muniesa coming in for pieters. Adam didn't play in the hole at QPR - we played 4-3-3. I agree with sticking with the same team as against QPR but I'd stick with the same formation too. I didn't think Muniesa was great against Sunderland defensively and would stick with Pieters at left back, although I can see an argument for Muniesa possibly replacing Adam in a 4-3-3 if he has to play. I wouldn't be disappointed if the Huthmeister returned either. I'm not sure putting in a defender for our most creative midfielder at home for a team who've lost two from two and not yet scored on home soil sends out the right message, Paul?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 26, 2014 20:45:36 GMT
Are they that poor? Finished 10th last season, made some good signings, dicked by Southampton but otherwise not too bad?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 26, 2014 20:48:22 GMT
Adam didn't play in the hole at QPR - we played 4-3-3. I agree with sticking with the same team as against QPR but I'd stick with the same formation too. I didn't think Muniesa was great against Sunderland defensively and would stick with Pieters at left back, although I can see an argument for Muniesa possibly replacing Adam in a 4-3-3 if he has to play. I wouldn't be disappointed if the Huthmeister returned either. I'm not sure putting in a defender for our most creative midfielder at home for a team who've lost two from two and not yet scored on home soil sends out the right message, Paul? Yeah I said I'd start Adam but if Muniesa HAS to play I can see an argument for POSSIBLY playing him in a midfield three. I explained why I'd stick with Pieters at left back.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 26, 2014 20:49:48 GMT
Are they that poor? Finished 10th last season, made some good signings, dicked by Southampton but otherwise not too bad? They've won one in twelve league games Rob and lost nine of them.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 26, 2014 20:53:48 GMT
I'm not sure putting in a defender for our most creative midfielder at home for a team who've lost two from two and not yet scored on home soil sends out the right message, Paul? Yeah I said I'd start Adam but if Muniesa HAS to play I can see an argument for POSSIBLY playing him in a midfield three. I explained why I'd stick with Pieters at left back. I'd start Pieters too. In the current set up I wonder if centre half is Muni's fastest track to the first team?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 26, 2014 20:54:04 GMT
Are they that poor? Finished 10th last season, made some good signings, dicked by Southampton but otherwise not too bad? They've won one in twelve league games Rob and lost nine of them. From what I've seen of them this season, apart from Southampton they've not been terrible. If they replace Pardew with someone sensible they should have a decent season. Wasn't a piece of piss last season, don't see it being one on Monday.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 26, 2014 20:58:16 GMT
Yeah I said I'd start Adam but if Muniesa HAS to play I can see an argument for POSSIBLY playing him in a midfield three. I explained why I'd stick with Pieters at left back. I'd start Pieters too. In the current set up I wonder if centre half is Muni's fastest track to the first team? Maybe but he's just scored two cracking goals, by getting forward into the box - he clearly knows how to finish too. A LOT of people are suggesting that he should be tried in midfield and you can see why. I'd still go with Adam but only if we set up in a 4-3-3.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 26, 2014 20:59:12 GMT
They've won one in twelve league games Rob and lost nine of them. From what I've seen of them this season, apart from Southampton they've not been terrible. If they replace Pardew with someone sensible they should have a decent season. Wasn't a piece of piss last season, don't see it being one on Monday. It won't be easy but 'playing a decent side in decent form' wont be an excuse, they're in a rotten run and I haven't seen a great deal to suggest a great deal of bad luck has played a part either.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 26, 2014 21:01:35 GMT
From what I've seen of them this season, apart from Southampton they've not been terrible. If they replace Pardew with someone sensible they should have a decent season. Wasn't a piece of piss last season, don't see it being one on Monday. It won't be easy but 'playing a decent side in decent form' wont be an excuse, they're in a rotten run and I haven't seen a great deal to suggest a great deal of bad luck has played a part either. No they're not in decent form, but I think anyone writing them off as shite and dismissing them out of hand might be in for a nasty surprise. There's goals in their side so we'll have to try and stay awake at the back.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 26, 2014 21:13:19 GMT
If he's going 433 then Adam has to start if its 4231 then Ireland has to start behind Crouch
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 26, 2014 21:22:32 GMT
IMO:
Bego
Bardsley Wilson Ryan Pieters
N Zonzi Whelan
Diouf Adam Moses
Crouch
I wouldn't take any chances of weakening the defence until the attack are consistently scoring 2 or 3 goals, which they are not; Tuesday's goals were by a defender. I suspect MH may prefer Ireland to Adam, which on Tuesday's evidence would be a mistake.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 26, 2014 21:27:34 GMT
IMO: Bego Bardsley Wilson Ryan Pieters N Zonzi Whelan Diouf Adam Moses Crouch I wouldn't take any chances of weakening the defence until the attack are consistently scoring 2 or 3 goals, which they are not; Tuesday's goals were by a defender. I suspect MH may prefer Ireland to Adam, which on Tuesday's evidence would be a mistake. I'm 99% certain that will be the side (with Ireland for Adam as you say) that he will pick coke.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 26, 2014 22:18:58 GMT
They've won one in twelve league games Rob and lost nine of them. From what I've seen of them this season, apart from Southampton they've not been terrible. If they replace Pardew with someone sensible they should have a decent season. Wasn't a piece of piss last season, don't see it being one on Monday. It's a game we should be winning though given they are in abysmal form and we have lost our first 2 home games of the season.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 26, 2014 22:21:14 GMT
From what I've seen of them this season, apart from Southampton they've not been terrible. If they replace Pardew with someone sensible they should have a decent season. Wasn't a piece of piss last season, don't see it being one on Monday. It's a game we should be winning though given they are in abysmal form and we have lost our first 2 home games of the season. Dunno about 'should'. It's winnable, yeah. On paper it's our toughest home game of the season so far. Saying that, I think we'll edge it,
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 26, 2014 22:30:38 GMT
It's a game we should be winning though given they are in abysmal form and we have lost our first 2 home games of the season. Dunno about 'should'. It's winnable, yeah. On paper it's our toughest home game of the season so far. Saying that, I think we'll edge it, It shouldn't be. We might make it look like that. Let's be honest Newcastle are in absolute chaos and their fans will be no doubt calling for the managers head before a ball has been kicked. If we can't win at home to Villa, Leicester and a side in worse form than ourselves who are on the brink of sacking their manager then one or two questions do need to be asked. We need the 3 points on Saturday no running away from it imo.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 26, 2014 22:32:58 GMT
IMO: Bego Bardsley Wilson Ryan Pieters N Zonzi Whelan Diouf Adam Moses Crouch I wouldn't take any chances of weakening the defence until the attack are consistently scoring 2 or 3 goals, which they are not; Tuesday's goals were by a defender. I suspect MH may prefer Ireland to Adam, which on Tuesday's evidence would be a mistake. I'm 99% certain that will be the side (with Ireland for Adam as you say) that he will pick coke. If he did play Ireland instead of Adam then that would certainly raise one or two eyebrows I imagine. Particularly given we have got positive results in the only two games Adam has started in this season.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 26, 2014 22:33:57 GMT
Dunno about 'should'. It's winnable, yeah. On paper it's our toughest home game of the season so far. Saying that, I think we'll edge it, It shouldn't be. We might make it look like that. Let's be honest Newcastle are in absolute chaos and their fans will be no doubt calling for the managers head before a ball has been kicked. If we can't win at home to Villa, Leicester and a side in worse form than ourselves who are on the brink of sacking their manager then one or two questions do need to be asked. We need the 3 points on Saturday no running away from it imo. Monday. We need the three points, I'm just saying it might not be the walkover people are trying to build it up as. The manager situation hasn't stopped them battling back from two goals down last weekend and winning away in the cup with 10 men in the win in the week. They have plenty of talented players in their ranks.
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