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Post by foster on Sept 24, 2014 11:07:06 GMT
Degovic Bardsley Shawcross Huth Pieters moses whelan nzonzi muniesa Diouf crouch. Quite like this team, it could work as a 4-4-2 or as a 4-3-3 with Muniesa replacing Adam. Looking forward to next weeks teams after Muni scores v Newcastle and everyone has him as the lone striker in a 4-2-3-1.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 24, 2014 11:07:09 GMT
I think it was definitely by design Rich. Whelan was sitting in front of the centre backs and N'Zonzi and Adam were playing side by side. We didn't play with a man in the 'hole'. Although Crouch did get a bit isolated at times, Diouf''s almost bionic work rate meant he could cover the right flank and also get close to Crouch in the box. I certainly think it's worth persevering with. Sorry, mate I was more referring to the personnel at his disposal. Without Ireland I'm not sure who Hughes really wants in that role. He's tried Adam and Bojan, both of whom didn't really work. I still think if he has his ideal XI available 4231 would be Hughes's system. Yeah that's highly likely mate. Personally I'd stick with 4-3-3 against Newcastle, I thought Ireland looked miles away last night.
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Post by spuddiestokie on Sept 24, 2014 11:15:26 GMT
He's played every minute of each game and will have a tough few days in training before Monday, Wilko should get a bit of game time, we're playing Newcastle fgs we'll beat them with the U16s the way they're going. Think I'd rather stick Muni, Huth, Wilson or Cameron there than revert back to Wilko. That's not having a dig. I just think we've moved on and that he's no longer needed. Muni should be at left back and Huthy at centre back (Wilson has been shocking the last few weeks just because he's been overplayed) and Cameron has just had hernia surgery.
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Post by foster on Sept 24, 2014 11:20:58 GMT
Think I'd rather stick Muni, Huth, Wilson or Cameron there than revert back to Wilko. That's not having a dig. I just think we've moved on and that he's no longer needed. Muni should be at left back and Huthy at centre back (Wilson has been shocking the last few weeks just because he's been overplayed) and Cameron has just had hernia surgery. What fitness levels are you basing this overplayed argument on? Bards has been excellent imo and was brilliant last night. These are professional athletes and we're only 5 games into the season, with a weeks break in between most games. I'd at the very least start Bards and bring him off only after 70 mins if he's knackered.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 11:29:08 GMT
If we're accommodating both strikers: Butland Bardsley Shawcross Wilson Muniesa Whelan N'Zonzi Adam Diouf Crouch Moses
Allows for Moses to track back and cover Muni, which Assaidi struggled with, and for Diouf and Crouch to link up again.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 24, 2014 12:03:27 GMT
He got done twice, once for the goal (good finish though) and later on where he had to drag the player down, against a better striker it'll be worse, he still needs more time. With Wilson at CB, time isn't a luxury we can afford. So what if Huth makes a cynical challenge (the second one you mention). Most defenders get turned get done at least once per match. I thought he did well there to stop him tbh. I'm actually more concerned about Ryans persistent grappling. Huth, like Ryan, is also a leader, and I prefer to have him vocal in the backline in support of Ryan. For their goal, it was a good finish and I'm not so critical of it being down to a defensive error. Wilsons playing well imo and doesn't deserved to be dropped, I agree it was a good finish but I do think Huth could have done more. Can't say I'm worried about the grappling, every team does it to the same extent Ryan does and the refs, for the most part, seem to let it slide unless you rag a player down etc, its just for some reason Ryan gets focused on a lot more than others.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 24, 2014 12:10:55 GMT
Same team as Saturday for me. Maybe Muniesa for Pieters at a push.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 24, 2014 15:54:21 GMT
Same team as Saturday for me. Maybe Muniesa for Pieters at a push. Think I'm with you, Chief. No need to make wholesale changes to a winning team.
Ireland still short of fitness, Arnie's not quite right yet and Ossie looks better off the bench to me.
He might reward Muni and the only other debate is the 3rd midfielder. Charlie for me - we've struggled to threaten at home without him.
Both Crouch and Diouf have to start.
Just hope they fly out of the traps. If we can score first, we're going to hammer one of these teams that has to open up a bit and come out.
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Post by djralphy2k9 on Sept 24, 2014 16:05:04 GMT
Bego
Bardsley Huth Shawcross Muniesa
Nzonzi Whelan
Moses Adam Diouf
Crouch
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 24, 2014 16:10:18 GMT
Bego (need to improve to keep his place now, Butland wants to play a bigger part!)
Bardsley Shawcross Wilson (don't think he deserves to lose his place yet, but Huth is breathing down his neck!) Pieters (a better defender than Muniesa)
Whelan N'Zonzi
Diouf Adam Moses
Crouch (still important to us)
Subs: Butland, Huth, Muniesa, Ireland, Sidwell, Assaidi, Bojan.
Cameron and Walters injured I presume?
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 24, 2014 16:12:54 GMT
I think that Hughes may be tempted to stick his trusty sidekick Ireland back in at the number 10 slot, despite a less than stellar return last night. Bojan has bombed in both home games in that role and Adam has not given a performance that means he cannot be dropped. Otherwise, it is as you were from the last league game, although Muniesa's better forward running from full back may mean he sneaks in ahead of Erik this time.
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Sept 24, 2014 16:13:16 GMT
We're playing on Monday. So that's 6 days rest. He's played every minute of each game and will have a tough few days in training before Monday, Wilko should get a bit of game time, we're playing Newcastle fgs we'll beat them with the U16s the way they're going. You really do not have a clue do you? 'Playing newcastle fgs'....are we suddenly Real Madrid and Newcastle a lowly conference side??
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Post by crouchbot on Sept 24, 2014 16:32:14 GMT
Degovic Bardsley Shawcross Huth Pieters moses whelan nzonzi muniesa Diouf crouch. If you play a formation like that then surely it has to be Assaidi on the left? With Arnautovic as the second option? I don't really think we should be trying players in positions they don't play in an important league game. Towards the end of the season if and when there's nothing to play for, yes. When you haven't won a home game and have only won one of your first five games, No.
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Post by borat on Sept 24, 2014 17:34:19 GMT
Ireland and Arnie should be nowhere near the first 11.Shocking again. I agree with this statement 100%, I've never understood why people put Ireland in the starting 11 anyway, what does he do?. Arnie? well he's toss at the min and he wants to play champions league 1 day hahahaha
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Post by adi on Sept 24, 2014 17:48:03 GMT
Begovic Muniesa Ryan huth Bards Adam Nzonzi Assaidi bojan Moses Diouf
Easy money
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Post by homer32 on Sept 24, 2014 18:40:45 GMT
Think LMH will start Muniesa as players need to know if they come in & do well they can force their way into the starting team.Pieters has done nothing wrong so can't see him starting left back.Could we switch Moses over to the right ? ie Bego, Bardsley,Shawcross,Wilson,Pieters,Whelan, Nzonzi,Moses,Diouf,Muniesa,Crouch
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Post by enuntio on Sept 24, 2014 22:19:25 GMT
Yes Ireland was miles away, on last nights performance it's the bench for him on Monday. What about Assaidi? Worth a start or on the bench, I'd start him. I agree with the comment about Muniesa, he has earned a start. Moses? Yes. Diouf or Crouch to Start? Both...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 24, 2014 22:33:07 GMT
I'd go
Bego
Bardsley Shawcross Huth Muni
N'Zonzi Whelan
Diouf Ireland Moses
Crouch
Hughes will go with that but with Wilson and and Pieters in.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 24, 2014 22:34:40 GMT
Begovic Bardsley Shawcross Wilson Pieters N'Zonzi Whelan Diouf Ireland Moses Crouch
Interesting that you didn't think either Muniesa or Huth did enough tonight to be worthy of a consideration but you thought Ireland did?
I think Ireland will get back in tbh. He's one Hughes always tries to play, I think he'll back in.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 24, 2014 22:59:08 GMT
Interesting that you didn't think either Muniesa or Huth did enough tonight to be worthy of a consideration but you thought Ireland did?
I think Ireland will get back in tbh. He's one Hughes always tries to play, I think he'll back in. Maybe he will but my point was that DWA was suggesting that he wouldn't pick one player solely (and that's the important bit) because he thought that player was off the pace, yet he would pick another player regardless of how off the pace that player looked. Seems like double standards to me.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 24, 2014 23:00:45 GMT
I think Ireland will get back in tbh. He's one Hughes always tries to play, I think he'll back in. Maybe he will but my point was that DWA was suggesting he wouldn't pick one player solely (and that's the important bit) because he thought a player was off the pace, yet would pick another player regardless of how off the pace that player looked. Seems like double standards to me. It is but that's life and football. I think Hughes pretty much knows his team now, the only place I think that will be up for grabs on Monday is left back. The rest I think picks itself, including Ireland.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 24, 2014 23:07:40 GMT
Maybe he will but my point was that DWA was suggesting he wouldn't pick one player solely (and that's the important bit) because he thought a player was off the pace, yet would pick another player regardless of how off the pace that player looked. Seems like double standards to me. It is but that's life and football. I think Hughes pretty much knows his team now, the only place I think that will be up for grabs on Monday is left back. The rest I think picks itself, including Ireland. Yeah Hughes probably is getting close to finally knowing what he thinks his best XI is, doesn't mean that he's right though and I thought that what WE (individually) think is the best XI, is the premise for the whole thread.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 24, 2014 23:11:47 GMT
It is but that's life and football. I think Hughes pretty much knows his team now, the only place I think that will be up for grabs on Monday is left back. The rest I think picks itself, including Ireland. Yeah Hughes probably is getting close to finally knowing what he thinks his best XI is, doesn't mean that he's right though and I thought that what WE (individually) think is the best XI, is the premise for the whole thread. It is but it works both ways surely? Leave the man to pick who he wants without the Spanish inquisition! And I think he's thinking like the manager, which is fine.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 24, 2014 23:16:44 GMT
Yeah Hughes probably is getting close to finally knowing what he thinks his best XI is, doesn't mean that he's right though and I thought that what WE (individually) think is the best XI, is the premise for the whole thread. It is but it works both ways surely? Leave the man to pick who he wants without the Spanish inquisition! And I think he's thinking like the manager, which is fine. To be fair - i only said it was INTERESTING. But yep I definitely take your point.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 26, 2014 18:34:41 GMT
Apologies if posted but couldn't see one. Really do need to be winning this one given our recent home form. What do we think he will go with? Muniesa surely deserves a start. Could we possibly see him in midfield? Will he play both Adam and Ireland? Where does all this leave Bojan? Let's not forget how well Assaidi did in midweek and as we know the manager is a big Assaidi fan. Interestingly Hughes said in his pre match interview that at home we need as many creative players on the pitch as possible in order to break teams down at home. So many players to choose from. I literally have no idea what he will go with, whether he will stick to those who did so well in midweek or those that played against QPR. I've a strange feeling he will go for both Ireland and Adam...Maybe we could see something along the lines of Bego, Bardsley, Wilson, Shawcross, Muniesa, Diouf, Nzonzi, Ireland, Adam, Moses, Crouch
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 26, 2014 18:40:09 GMT
Muniesa for Pieters maybe, otherwise no changes from QPR.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 26, 2014 18:43:22 GMT
Just felt in his interview today he was trying to make a case to start Ireland while putting extra emphasis on needing creative players at home. Maybe reading too much into it
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 26, 2014 18:45:18 GMT
You need creative players, but not exclusively creative players - balance is important.
I'm an Ireland fan but I thought he was atrocious on Tuesday. I'm not the world's biggest Adam fan but he's playing well and worth his place at the moment for me.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 26, 2014 18:50:37 GMT
You need creative players, but not exclusively creative players - balance is important. I'm an Ireland fan but I thought he was atrocious on Tuesday. I'm not the world's biggest Adam fan but he's playing well and worth his place at the moment for me. Yeah agree with that Rob. We always seem to look a better team with Adam in it most noticeably against Villa and Hull this season along with countless occasions towards the end of TP's reign. Where does all this leave Bojan? Didn't even come off the bench in midweek which thought a little odd given how poor Ireland looked.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 26, 2014 18:57:03 GMT
You need creative players, but not exclusively creative players - balance is important. I'm an Ireland fan but I thought he was atrocious on Tuesday. I'm not the world's biggest Adam fan but he's playing well and worth his place at the moment for me. Yeah agree with that Rob. We always seem to look a better team with Adam in it most noticeably against Villa and Hull this season along with countless occasions towards the end of TP's reign. Where does all this leave Bojan? Didn't even come off the bench in midweek which thought a little odd given how poor Ireland looked. Bojan will get chances I'm sure. May work out, may not, if it does, bonus, if it doesn't, not the end of the world. Don't agree that we always look a better team with Adam in it (a fair bit of our best football last season was played without him) but he can unlock defences and is worth a run of games in that 4-3-3 in my opinion.
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