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Diouf
Apr 21, 2015 10:50:18 GMT
Post by huddy on Apr 21, 2015 10:50:18 GMT
Ric was a very talented technical footballer with great feet and touch.Diouf isn't. No but what he is is a hard worker, a goal scorer and (more importantly) a Stoke City player. It's just a shame we have an element of absolute bellends amongst our support. Something you prove time after time on this very messageboard.
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Diouf
Apr 21, 2015 10:59:35 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 21, 2015 10:59:35 GMT
No but what he is is a hard worker, a goal scorer and (more importantly) a Stoke City player. It's just a shame we have an element of absolute bellends amongst our support. Something you prove time after time on this very messageboard. I like to out them yes, it's one of my many redeeming qualities. Nice to see you've found an 'in' on this thread though. Shame you couldn't have been a bit more humble and give him some (at least) faint praise, but you've made your bed haven't you? Butt slug.
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Post by RWChris on Apr 21, 2015 11:21:55 GMT
Not sure if its been mentioned already or not but Diouf has played 2017 minutes of football this season (not including injury time) and has scored 9 goals.
That's a goal every 224 minutes or, put another way, a goal every 2 and a half games.
Extrapolate that over a 38-game PL season and it'd equate to 15 goals.
Not bad for a player who has swayed opinion!
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Diouf
Apr 21, 2015 11:25:12 GMT
Post by nutterpotter on Apr 21, 2015 11:25:12 GMT
Not sure if its been mentioned already or not but Diouf has played 2017 minutes of football this season (not including injury time) and has scored 9 goals. That's a goal every 224 minutes or, put another way, a goal every 2 and a half games. Extrapolate that over a 38-game PL season and it'd equate to 15 goals. Not bad for a player who has swayed opinion! And not bad for a player that has played on the wing for probably 5 games. EDIT: (When he clearly isn't a winger!)
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Post by adamsson on Apr 21, 2015 11:39:46 GMT
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 21, 2015 11:47:07 GMT
As ever on here, middle ground is cherished and hallowed turf.
It is possible to think that Mame has had a very decent first season with the potential to kick on again next season AND know that Ric was just a truly inspiration and technically superb player who at times took the fight to the opposition pretty much on his own.
I like Mame and think he can go on again but if he ends up getting half the esteem I hold Ric in he'll have done brilliantly well for Stoke City and we'll all be very happy.
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Diouf
Apr 21, 2015 11:48:33 GMT
Post by huddy on Apr 21, 2015 11:48:33 GMT
Absolutely.Didn't say he wasn't quick and couldn't push and run.
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Diouf
Apr 21, 2015 12:00:07 GMT
Post by lordb on Apr 21, 2015 12:00:07 GMT
I think Hughes has decided (after Villa away) not to play him wide again unless he has absolutely no other option. I like Diouf & agree if someone would pass(not hoof,pass) the ball early in behind defenders he would get lots of one-on-one chances. He's no more of a winger than Asaba was though.
some players can play in more than one position. Don't think Diouf can so lets play him as a striker or not at all.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 21, 2015 12:17:38 GMT
As ever on here, middle ground is cherished and hallowed turf. It is possible to think that Mame has had a very decent first season with the potential to kick on again next season AND know that Ric was just a truly inspiration and technically superb player who at times took the fight to the opposition pretty much on his own. I like Mame and think he can go on again but if he ends up getting half the esteem I hold Ric in he'll have done brilliantly well for Stoke City and we'll all be very happy. Yep. Equally it's more than possible to admire his qualities while holding the opinion that he's probably not the answer to the centre forward question long term. You get shrieked at by the Gestapo for anything that isn't black and white though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 12:59:31 GMT
As ever on here, middle ground is cherished and hallowed turf. It is possible to think that Mame has had a very decent first season with the potential to kick on again next season AND know that Ric was just a truly inspiration and technically superb player who at times took the fight to the opposition pretty much on his own. I like Mame and think he can go on again but if he ends up getting half the esteem I hold Ric in he'll have done brilliantly well for Stoke City and we'll all be very happy. Yep. Equally it's more than possible to admire his qualities while holding the opinion that he's probably not the answer to the centre forward question long term. You get shrieked at by the Gestapo for anything that isn't black and white though. I see your stance on Diouf is softening ever so slightly, from writing him off to saying he's "probably not the answer to the centre forward question long term"...........
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 21, 2015 15:20:51 GMT
Yep. Equally it's more than possible to admire his qualities while holding the opinion that he's probably not the answer to the centre forward question long term. You get shrieked at by the Gestapo for anything that isn't black and white though. I see your stance on Diouf is softening ever so slightly, from writing him off to saying he's "probably not the answer to the centre forward question long term"........... Yeah, except that in the very same post in which I said I's written him off, what I'd written him off as was...drumroll please...as the answer to the centre forward question long term. You know, the thing he was signed as.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 15:25:43 GMT
Absolutely.Didn't say he wasn't quick and couldn't push and run. If you can't even bring yourself to praise him for that goal, there is no hope.
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Post by slpmarc on Apr 21, 2015 15:30:05 GMT
I see your stance on Diouf is softening ever so slightly, from writing him off to saying he's "probably not the answer to the centre forward question long term"........... Yeah, except that in the very same post in which I said I's written him off, what I'd written him off as was...drumroll please...as the answer to the centre forward question long term. You know, the thing he was signed as. Think Diouf can only be properly assessed when he is played in his proper position for the majority of a season with players around him that play to his strengths. His runs into channels are just begging for a pass to him, but very rarely does this happen. Diouf is a finisher put him in the box with the right balls to him and he will score your 15-20 goals a season. I bet if Alan Shearer was placed on the wing for most of his time he would not be the premier leagues top scorer, does not make Alan shite does it. Myself have confidence in Diouf to do the job we got him for, circumstances have dictated other roles were needed for him. Bring on next season UTMP
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 21, 2015 15:35:19 GMT
Yeah, except that in the very same post in which I said I's written him off, what I'd written him off as was...drumroll please...as the answer to the centre forward question long term. You know, the thing he was signed as. Think Diouf can only be properly assessed when he is played in his proper position for the majority of a season with players around him that play to his strengths. His runs into channels are just begging for a pass to him, but very rarely does this happen. Diouf is a finisher put him in the box with the right balls to him and he will score your 15-20 goals a season. I bet if Alan Shearer was placed on the wing for most of his time he would not be the premier leagues top scorer, does not make Alan shite does it. Myself have confidence in Diouf to do the job we got him for, circumstances have dictated other roles were needed for him. Bring on next season UTMP I don't think he has spent most of his time on the wing. Some yes. We need to play to his strengths more but a lone striker needs to be able to link the play better. He'll be a valuable source of goals but I think we'll have a new first choice centre forward by the end of the next window.
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Post by redwhite on Apr 21, 2015 16:07:57 GMT
In terms of games started in all competitions (we've played 39 in total), he has started 16 up front and 9 on the wing.
He has played the full 90 in 17 matches and has had 197 minutes off the bench, almost the same amount of time he has been taken off for.
10 goals and 2 assists with the lack of game time in his proper position is very impressive in my view.
I honestly don't think we need a striker in this window because I think we have one already, we need to persist with him up front.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 16:11:33 GMT
I see your stance on Diouf is softening ever so slightly, from writing him off to saying he's "probably not the answer to the centre forward question long term"........... Yeah, except that in the very same post in which I said I's written him off, what I'd written him off as was...drumroll please...as the answer to the centre forward question long term. You know, the thing he was signed as. You keep bending the truth, I'm really not arsed. Further up you said you were pleased how his touch has improved, but on several occasions you've said his touch isn't good enough and you don't see it getting any better. I'm going to bookmark this thread as in 8/10 months time you'll have dug yourself into a giant hole with Diouf I'm convinced of it........
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 16:13:30 GMT
In terms of games started in all competitions (we've played 39 in total), he has started 16 up front and 9 on the wing. He has played the full 90 in 17 matches and has had 197 minutes off the bench, almost the same amount of time he has been taken off for. 10 goals and 2 assists with the lack of game time in his proper position is very impressive in my view. I honestly don't think we need a striker in this window because I think we have one already, we need to persist with him up front. Good way of looking at it.
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Diouf
Apr 21, 2015 16:16:33 GMT
Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 21, 2015 16:16:33 GMT
Yeah, except that in the very same post in which I said I's written him off, what I'd written him off as was...drumroll please...as the answer to the centre forward question long term. You know, the thing he was signed as. You keep bending the truth, I'm really not arsed. Further up you said you were pleased how his touch has improved, but on several occasions you've said his touch isn't good enough and you don't see it getting any better. I'm going to bookmark this thread as in 8/10 months time you'll have dug yourself into a giant hole with Diouf I'm convinced of it........ I haven't 'bent' anything. It's just you've taken four words of a much longer post and ignored the rest of them, like your average Sun reader would do. His touch isn't good enough. It has improved of late. The jury's out on whether it will be good enough long-term for him to play effectively as the lone striker in our system. Personally I don't think it will, but he's a likeable player and he'll still be a regular enough source of goals for him to be a decent member of the squad. Whether that's enough to justify his status as one of the club's top earners is another question...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 16:23:10 GMT
You keep bending the truth, I'm really not arsed. Further up you said you were pleased how his touch has improved, but on several occasions you've said his touch isn't good enough and you don't see it getting any better. I'm going to bookmark this thread as in 8/10 months time you'll have dug yourself into a giant hole with Diouf I'm convinced of it........ I haven't 'bent' anything. It's just you've taken four words of a much longer post and ignored the rest of them, like your average Sun reader would do. His touch isn't good enough. It has improved of late. The jury's out on whether it will be good enough long-term for him to play effectively as the lone striker in our system. Personally I don't think it will, but he's a likeable player and he'll still be a regular enough source of goals for him to be a decent member of the squad. Whether that's enough to justify his status as one of the club's top earners is another question... He's a top earner because he was a Bosman though, if we'd paid £5m for him and £25k a week less which would have been exactly the same outlay over 4 years no one would bat an eyelid. His link up play will improve when the players behind him start giving him the ball when he makes one of his many excellent runs, his movement is very good, his confidence is improving (as is his touch as you say) and the goals are coming. Not even a quarter into his Stoke career and already getting better as far as I can see despite a stop start beginning to his career, all good in my opinion. Apologies for being a Sun reader by the way, I forgot I was debating with the Oscar Wilde of the blogging world...........
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Diouf
Apr 21, 2015 16:24:52 GMT
Post by stokey127 on Apr 21, 2015 16:24:52 GMT
This guy looks absolute dog @@@@. He works hard and runs channels, but his awareness and touch are awful. Also he does not look like a scorer of goals. So yet another non scoring forward to add to our ranks. Urghhh this is going to be a long long season Totally agree, have no confidence in him looks knackered most of the time. I keep shouting about it marky please spend some big money for a top class striker, what's wrong with Charlie Austin just infont of Peter with bojan providing?
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Diouf
Apr 21, 2015 16:26:45 GMT
Post by stokey127 on Apr 21, 2015 16:26:45 GMT
He looks very shite, so what do we do stick or twist in the transfer window? Bloody twist
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Diouf
Apr 21, 2015 16:31:08 GMT
Post by stokey127 on Apr 21, 2015 16:31:08 GMT
Goal. Just the bit of luck that could kick start his season? Don't think so vern mate he just got it right for a change. He needs to kickstart his motor bike out of the brittania and I will wave him goodbye. we are a top club now come on let's get a striker with a big name that will put 15 plus goals a season.
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Diouf
Apr 21, 2015 16:34:12 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 16:34:12 GMT
Goal. Just the bit of luck that could kick start his season? Don't think so vern mate he just got it right for a change. He needs to kickstart his motor bike out of the brittania and I will wave him goodbye. we are a top club now come on let's get a striker with a big name that will put 15 plus goals a season. Based on his goals per game he is a 15 goals a season man isn't he?
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Post by slpmarc on Apr 21, 2015 16:37:27 GMT
Think Diouf can only be properly assessed when he is played in his proper position for the majority of a season with players around him that play to his strengths. His runs into channels are just begging for a pass to him, but very rarely does this happen. Diouf is a finisher put him in the box with the right balls to him and he will score your 15-20 goals a season. I bet if Alan Shearer was placed on the wing for most of his time he would not be the premier leagues top scorer, does not make Alan shite does it. Myself have confidence in Diouf to do the job we got him for, circumstances have dictated other roles were needed for him. Bring on next season UTMP I don't think he has spent most of his time on the wing. Some yes. We need to play to his strengths more but a lone striker needs to be able to link the play better. He'll be a valuable source of goals but I think we'll have a new first choice centre forward by the end of the next window. Out if his 29 appearances only 12 have started as striker and only 9 as lone striker we played 4-4-2 twice and 4-3-3 v villa once
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Diouf
Apr 21, 2015 16:43:10 GMT
Post by Trouserdog on Apr 21, 2015 16:43:10 GMT
Dry fuck my anus with Denise's strap-on, a couple of goals, some improved performances, and now Diouf's better than the best striker we've had in the last 30 years.
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Post by miggo on Apr 21, 2015 16:48:52 GMT
Goal. Just the bit of luck that could kick start his season? Don't think so vern mate he just got it right for a change. He needs to kickstart his motor bike out of the brittania and I will wave him goodbye. we are a top club now come on let's get a striker with a big name that will put 15 plus goals a season. Haha unbelievable, yeah let's go spend 15-20m and get that 15 goal a season striker to compliment the striker that cost us nothing whose goals to games ratio suggests he could have had 15 this season, Stoke logic at its very finest! Sent from my C6603 using proboards
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Diouf
Apr 21, 2015 16:54:35 GMT
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Post by djduncanjames on Apr 21, 2015 16:54:35 GMT
Good player and shrewd business to land him on a free after the song and dance Hannover were playing with us fee wise.
Took his goal at Man City well.
Is he the only player to have had an injury free season?
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Diouf
Apr 21, 2015 16:56:06 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 16:56:06 GMT
Dry fuck my anus with Denise's strap-on, a couple of goals, some improved performances, and now Diouf's better than the best striker we've had in the last 30 years. ??? You appear to be making shit up sir ???
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Post by miggo on Apr 21, 2015 16:57:54 GMT
Ric was a very talented technical footballer with great feet and touch.Diouf isn't. No but what he is is a hard worker, a goal scorer and (more importantly) a Stoke City player. It's just a shame we have an element of absolute bellends amongst our support. Hmm let's decide to stop debating and start insulting, well done sir. Sent from my C6603 using proboards
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Diouf
Apr 21, 2015 18:15:57 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 21, 2015 18:15:57 GMT
No but what he is is a hard worker, a goal scorer and (more importantly) a Stoke City player. It's just a shame we have an element of absolute bellends amongst our support. Hmm let's decide to stop debating and start insulting, well done sir. Sent from my C6603 using proboards Huddys a cretin and well worth all the abuse he gets. Thanks for the concerns though.
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