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Diouf
Apr 21, 2015 18:20:14 GMT
Post by huddy on Apr 21, 2015 18:20:14 GMT
Little girly snipes,you should be on the One Direction messageboard.
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Diouf
Apr 21, 2015 18:21:05 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 21, 2015 18:21:05 GMT
Little girly snipes,you should be on the One Direction messageboard. Which one do you hate out of them and which one is your crouchy?
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Diouf
Apr 21, 2015 18:24:27 GMT
Post by huddy on Apr 21, 2015 18:24:27 GMT
Ooh little stalker you.
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Diouf
Apr 21, 2015 18:31:48 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 21, 2015 18:31:48 GMT
I don't need to stalk to notice your obsession. Is that why you hate Diouf because he is Crouchies competition?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 21, 2015 21:47:09 GMT
I haven't 'bent' anything. It's just you've taken four words of a much longer post and ignored the rest of them, like your average Sun reader would do. His touch isn't good enough. It has improved of late. The jury's out on whether it will be good enough long-term for him to play effectively as the lone striker in our system. Personally I don't think it will, but he's a likeable player and he'll still be a regular enough source of goals for him to be a decent member of the squad. Whether that's enough to justify his status as one of the club's top earners is another question... He's a top earner because he was a Bosman though, if we'd paid £5m for him and £25k a week less which would have been exactly the same outlay over 4 years no one would bat an eyelid. His link up play will improve when the players behind him start giving him the ball when he makes one of his many excellent runs, his movement is very good, his confidence is improving (as is his touch as you say) and the goals are coming. Not even a quarter into his Stoke career and already getting better as far as I can see despite a stop start beginning to his career, all good in my opinion. Apologies for being a Sun reader by the way, I forgot I was debating with the Oscar Wilde of the blogging world........... On what planet would us paying a higher transfer few mean he'd readily accept lower wages? It doesn't work like that. His link play will improve when he consistently holds the ball up well and brings others into the game and it stops bouncing off his shins or getting stuck under his feet. If his current improvement is a long term thing then great. Never said I was Oscar Wilde but if you're going to judge me on four words of a much longer post for the purposes of petty point scoring then I'm going to point out that doing so makes you look like a dick.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 21:57:49 GMT
He's a top earner because he was a Bosman though, if we'd paid £5m for him and £25k a week less which would have been exactly the same outlay over 4 years no one would bat an eyelid. His link up play will improve when the players behind him start giving him the ball when he makes one of his many excellent runs, his movement is very good, his confidence is improving (as is his touch as you say) and the goals are coming. Not even a quarter into his Stoke career and already getting better as far as I can see despite a stop start beginning to his career, all good in my opinion. Apologies for being a Sun reader by the way, I forgot I was debating with the Oscar Wilde of the blogging world........... On what planet would us paying a higher transfer few mean he'd readily accept lower wages? It doesn't work like that. His link play will improve when he consistently holds the ball up well and brings others into the game and it stops bouncing off his shins or getting stuck under his feet. If his current improvement is a long term thing then great. Never said I was Oscar Wilde but if you're going to judge me on four words of a much longer post for the purposes of petty point scoring then I'm going to point out that doing so makes you look like a dick. On what planet did I say he would accept lower wages? You keep banging on about the fact that he's a high earner, it's because he's on a Bosman and didn't cost a fee it's not rocket science. You take yourself WAAAY to seriously and now you're resorting to insults because I picked on the fact that you've backed yourself into a corner over Diouf, the line about the ball bouncing off his shins and getting stuck under his feet proves that, made up bollocks is what that is. Hilarious..........
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Post by agingerstokie on Apr 21, 2015 22:15:06 GMT
Ive never seen Diouf as a striker that holds up the ball instead he needs balls passed through so he can run onto them and utilise his pace, his pace is redundant if all hes being used for is to hold up the ball.
We definitely do need a 3rd striker in the summer if Crouch stays and perhaps that will be more of a combination of the two strikers we already have who knows, we may not even buy one
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 21, 2015 22:18:59 GMT
On what planet would us paying a higher transfer few mean he'd readily accept lower wages? It doesn't work like that. His link play will improve when he consistently holds the ball up well and brings others into the game and it stops bouncing off his shins or getting stuck under his feet. If his current improvement is a long term thing then great. Never said I was Oscar Wilde but if you're going to judge me on four words of a much longer post for the purposes of petty point scoring then I'm going to point out that doing so makes you look like a dick. On what planet did I say he would accept lower wages? You keep banging on about the fact that he's a high earner, it's because he's on a Bosman and didn't cost a fee it's not rocket science. You take yourself WAAAY to seriously and now you're resorting to insults because I picked on the fact that you've backed yourself into a corner over Diouf, the line about the ball bouncing off his shins and getting stuck under his feet proves that, made up bollocks is what that is. Hilarious.......... But we were prepared to pay top whack for him before he was a free - are you saying we'd have offered him significantly less wages had our offer been accepted? How have I backed myself into a corner when I started the season eulogising about him and telling everyone he was going to score for fun? Why would I make stuff up? What possible motive could I have for doing that? It's happened numerous times in numerous games, I can reel them off if you like? You've 'picked up' on nothing because there's nothing to pick up on, you keep peddling the tired old point scoring, one-dimensional shit because you're not up for actually talking about it reasonably.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 21, 2015 22:22:04 GMT
I don't think he has spent most of his time on the wing. Some yes. We need to play to his strengths more but a lone striker needs to be able to link the play better. He'll be a valuable source of goals but I think we'll have a new first choice centre forward by the end of the next window. Out if his 29 appearances only 12 have started as striker and only 9 as lone striker we played 4-4-2 twice and 4-3-3 v villa once 23 starts, 6 sub appearances. 18 as a striker (either lone or part of a duo) 11 out wide.
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Diouf
Apr 21, 2015 22:22:49 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 22:22:49 GMT
On what planet did I say he would accept lower wages? You keep banging on about the fact that he's a high earner, it's because he's on a Bosman and didn't cost a fee it's not rocket science. You take yourself WAAAY to seriously and now you're resorting to insults because I picked on the fact that you've backed yourself into a corner over Diouf, the line about the ball bouncing off his shins and getting stuck under his feet proves that, made up bollocks is what that is. Hilarious.......... How have I backed myself into a corner when I started the season eulogising about him and telling everyone he was going to score for fun? Why would I make stuff up? What possible motive could I have for doing that? It's happened numerous times in numerous games, I can reel them off if you like? You've 'picked up' on nothing because there's nothing to pick up on, you keep peddling the tired old point scoring, one-dimensional shit because you're not up for actually talking about it reasonably. Started the season eulogising about him yes, then changed your tune. Happy to debate about Diouf all day long and have done on this very thread, Go on then humour me, reel them off..........
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 21, 2015 22:32:25 GMT
How have I backed myself into a corner when I started the season eulogising about him and telling everyone he was going to score for fun? Why would I make stuff up? What possible motive could I have for doing that? It's happened numerous times in numerous games, I can reel them off if you like? You've 'picked up' on nothing because there's nothing to pick up on, you keep peddling the tired old point scoring, one-dimensional shit because you're not up for actually talking about it reasonably. Started the season eulogising about him yes, then changed your tune. Happy to debate about Diouf all day long and have done on this very thread, Go on then humour me, reel them off.......... Yes, so how can I back myself into a corner and change my tune? You can't have it both ways? I call things as I see them. Just off the top of my head, Hull away, Newcastle at home, Everton at home, Man City at home, Burnley at home, Swansea at home are all examples. I'm hardly alone in noticing it. I like Diouf as he's got a lot of qualities but I'm not going to pretend there aren't flaws that mean for me he isn't the answer long term.
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Diouf
Apr 21, 2015 22:34:18 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 21, 2015 22:34:18 GMT
Get beck to me when you can show about 20+ of those like you could Fuller. Diouf better than Fuller
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Diouf
Apr 21, 2015 22:41:45 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 22:41:45 GMT
Started the season eulogising about him yes, then changed your tune. Happy to debate about Diouf all day long and have done on this very thread, Go on then humour me, reel them off.......... Yes, so how can I back myself into a corner and change my tune? You can't have it both ways? I call things as I see them. Just off the top of my head, Hull away, Newcastle at home, Everton at home, Man City at home, Burnley at home, Swansea at home are all examples. I'm hardly alone in noticing it. I like Diouf as he's got a lot of qualities but I'm not going to pretend there aren't flaws that mean for me he isn't the answer long term. They're your examples of the ball bouncing off his shins and getting stuck under his feet then? None of them stick out to be perfectly honest........ No one's denying he doesn't have flaws, he wouldn't be playing for us if he didn't now would he? Sounds like you want us to spend £15m + on the finished article up front. I'll quite happily wait until he's had an uninterrupted run in the team up front, something he hasn't had yet and he's still scored 1 in 3.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 21, 2015 22:48:47 GMT
Yes, so how can I back myself into a corner and change my tune? You can't have it both ways? I call things as I see them. Just off the top of my head, Hull away, Newcastle at home, Everton at home, Man City at home, Burnley at home, Swansea at home are all examples. I'm hardly alone in noticing it. I like Diouf as he's got a lot of qualities but I'm not going to pretend there aren't flaws that mean for me he isn't the answer long term. They're your examples of the ball bouncing off his shins and getting stuck under his feet then? None of them stick out to be perfectly honest........ No one's denying he doesn't have flaws, he wouldn't be playing for us if he didn't now would he? Sounds like you want us to spend £15m + on the finished article up front. I'll quite happily wait until he's had an uninterrupted run in the team up front, something he hasn't had yet and he's still scored 1 in 3. They're off the top of my head yes, not my problem if you can't remember them. I want a centre forward who has more than goals to his game because that's what a lone striker in the Premier League has to be.
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Diouf
Apr 21, 2015 22:50:48 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 21, 2015 22:50:48 GMT
Dry fuck my anus with Denise's strap-on, a couple of goals, some improved performances, and now Diouf's better than the best striker we've had in the last 30 years. ??? Nope but he's a good striker and more than good enough to be given a proper run in our side up top. And as much as I love Fuller, I think Diouf will beat his league tallies if given the chance.
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Diouf
Apr 21, 2015 23:03:36 GMT
Post by Gods on Apr 21, 2015 23:03:36 GMT
Dry fuck my anus with Denise's strap-on, a couple of goals, some improved performances, and now Diouf's better than the best striker we've had in the last 30 years. ??? Nope but he's a good striker and more than good enough to be given a proper run in our side up top. And as much as I love Fuller, I think Diouf will beat his league tallies if given the chance. I am sure he will, Ric scored 18 Prem goals for us across 4 seasons. 11 in his first season 2008/9 but he only garnered a further 7 in total in his final 3 seasons the last of which was cut short so he was far from prolific. I think Diouf is broadly speaking a functional striker in a rumbustious kind of a way. It is just a pity he looks so poor on the ball which means we are never going to look classy with him leading the line. In fact I don't think it is going too far to say nothing prepared me for just how bad he was going to look on the ball. It brings to mind the old one liner "I wouldn't say his first touch is bad but his second touch is normally a header"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 23:04:30 GMT
They're your examples of the ball bouncing off his shins and getting stuck under his feet then? None of them stick out to be perfectly honest........ No one's denying he doesn't have flaws, he wouldn't be playing for us if he didn't now would he? Sounds like you want us to spend £15m + on the finished article up front. I'll quite happily wait until he's had an uninterrupted run in the team up front, something he hasn't had yet and he's still scored 1 in 3. They're off the top of my head yes, not my problem if you can't remember them. I want a centre forward who has more than goals to his game because that's what a lone striker in the Premier League has to be. They don't particularly stick out because they weren't that bad. So to repeat you want to spend a bucket load of cash on the finished article up front? That's fine, I'm sure there's plenty of other clubs of our stature searching for the same type of striker. Not anticipating rebounds was another issue you had with him when you were ready to write him off. He must have been practicing that in training along with the touch that will never improve at the age of 27 even though apparently now it has improved (all your words not mine)
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 21, 2015 23:11:44 GMT
They're off the top of my head yes, not my problem if you can't remember them. I want a centre forward who has more than goals to his game because that's what a lone striker in the Premier League has to be. They don't particularly stick out because they weren't that bad. So to repeat you want to spend a bucket load of cash on the finished article up front? That's fine, I'm sure there's plenty of other clubs of our stature searching for the same type of striker. Not anticipating rebounds was another issue you had with him when you were ready to write him off. He must have been practicing that in training along with the touch that will never improve at the age of 27 even though apparently now it has improved (all your words not mine) They weren't that bad, or you can't remember either way? Why do other people have similar opinions if I'm just making it up? It's improved compared to what it was. Is that a permanent improvement we'll see going forward? Impossible to say at the moment isn't it? I have my doubts. It was not anticipating general forward play and it's still hit and miss. He's a good instinctive finisher but he still often fails to anticipate flick ons etc. West Brom was an example of that. I don't think the finished article necessarily does cost that much and clubs of our stature have found players to play that role effectively for less than that.
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Diouf
Apr 21, 2015 23:22:56 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 23:22:56 GMT
They don't particularly stick out because they weren't that bad. So to repeat you want to spend a bucket load of cash on the finished article up front? That's fine, I'm sure there's plenty of other clubs of our stature searching for the same type of striker. Not anticipating rebounds was another issue you had with him when you were ready to write him off. He must have been practicing that in training along with the touch that will never improve at the age of 27 even though apparently now it has improved (all your words not mine) They weren't that bad, or you can't remember either way? Why do other people have similar opinions if I'm just making it up? It's improved compared to what it was. Is that a permanent improvement we'll see going forward? Impossible to say at the moment isn't it? I have my doubts. It was not anticipating general forward play and it's still hit and miss. He's a good instinctive finisher but he still often fails to anticipate flick ons etc. West Brom was an example of that. I don't think the finished article necessarily does cost that much and clubs of our stature have found players to play that role effectively for less than that. All players stand on the ball and have it bounce off their shins though. Players like Crouch, Moses, Arnie, Walters, even Bojan have trodden on the ball, swung at fresh air, missed chances from a yard out if we analyse every individual game. 4 of the examples you gave were from really on in the season when the whole team was finding its feet if truth be told. Since you decided to write him off, he's gone from strength to strength so long may it continue.......
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Diouf
Apr 21, 2015 23:32:17 GMT
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Post by britsabroad on Apr 21, 2015 23:32:17 GMT
Stoke are at the level where to progress they need to find a 15-20 goal striker at least for a year or two. This year has been generally poor with Costa and Aguero injured for parts and other big names out of position/form but mostly the top 5 or 6 (Stokes aim) have one. Diouf will never be that man.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 22, 2015 7:03:53 GMT
They weren't that bad, or you can't remember either way? Why do other people have similar opinions if I'm just making it up? It's improved compared to what it was. Is that a permanent improvement we'll see going forward? Impossible to say at the moment isn't it? I have my doubts. It was not anticipating general forward play and it's still hit and miss. He's a good instinctive finisher but he still often fails to anticipate flick ons etc. West Brom was an example of that. I don't think the finished article necessarily does cost that much and clubs of our stature have found players to play that role effectively for less than that. All players stand on the ball and have it bounce off their shins though. Players like Crouch, Moses, Arnie, Walters, even Bojan have trodden on the ball, swung at fresh air, missed chances from a yard out if we analyse every individual game. 4 of the examples you gave were from really on in the season when the whole team was finding its feet if truth be told. Since you decided to write him off, he's gone from strength to strength so long may it continue....... It happens far more with Diouf than any of those players. You're making it sound like in desperate to single him out when it would make zero sense for me to do that. You again choose to focus on the 'write off' thing divorced from the context of the thread. You're more interested in the fact I used those words than in what I was using them in relation to.
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Diouf
Apr 22, 2015 7:27:17 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 22, 2015 7:27:17 GMT
All players stand on the ball and have it bounce off their shins though. Players like Crouch, Moses, Arnie, Walters, even Bojan have trodden on the ball, swung at fresh air, missed chances from a yard out if we analyse every individual game. 4 of the examples you gave were from really on in the season when the whole team was finding its feet if truth be told. Since you decided to write him off, he's gone from strength to strength so long may it continue....... It happens far more with Diouf than any of those players. You're making it sound like in desperate to single him out when it would make zero sense for me to do that. You again choose to focus on the 'write off' thing divorced from the context of the thread. You're more interested in the fact I used those words than in what I was using them in relation to. To be fair, you actually said you'd written him off as the answer to our forward issue so you can't then lambast another poster for pointing out an apparent u-turn in your thoughts. It is fairly obvious that his wages have been boosted by the fact we didn't pay a fee for him and its fairly safe to assume he would have been on less had he arrived for a 7m fee. Either that or he wouldn't have signed because we couldn't or wouldn't pay him what he wanted. Truth be told, with each passing week he's ramming the words of the doubters, yours included, back down your throats. Long may that continue.
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Diouf
Apr 22, 2015 7:35:14 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 7:35:14 GMT
All players stand on the ball and have it bounce off their shins though. Players like Crouch, Moses, Arnie, Walters, even Bojan have trodden on the ball, swung at fresh air, missed chances from a yard out if we analyse every individual game. 4 of the examples you gave were from really early on in the season when the whole team was finding its feet if truth be told. Since you decided to write him off, he's gone from strength to strength so long may it continue....... It happens far more with Diouf than any of those players. You're making it sound like in desperate to single him out when it would make zero sense for me to do that. You again choose to focus on the 'write off' thing divorced from the context of the thread. You're more interested in the fact I used those words than in what I was using them in relation to. Just admit you were hasty in writing him off, it's not difficult we all do it from time to time. No one will think any less of you even Sun reading "dicks" like me..........
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 22, 2015 7:57:08 GMT
It happens far more with Diouf than any of those players. You're making it sound like in desperate to single him out when it would make zero sense for me to do that. You again choose to focus on the 'write off' thing divorced from the context of the thread. You're more interested in the fact I used those words than in what I was using them in relation to. Just admit you were hasty in writing him off, it's not difficult we all do it from time to time. No one will think any less of you even Sun reading "dicks" like me.......... I've written him off as being the line leading centre forward we were looking for 100%.
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Diouf
Apr 22, 2015 7:58:29 GMT
Post by huddy on Apr 22, 2015 7:58:29 GMT
Diouf is quick,he can finish but he does have an awful touch-it's really there for all to see.Crouch has a great touch,is good in the air but is slow. Of course we want a combination of the two -doesn't everyone want the complete striker?.We'll never be able to afford one though.
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Diouf
Apr 22, 2015 8:02:42 GMT
Post by Pugsley on Apr 22, 2015 8:02:42 GMT
Diouf will score 15-20 goals next season if he plays regularly, Bojan comes back and stays fit and he gets decent service from both sides out wide.
His touch isn't the greatest but I can see him steam rollering defences next season. I think he's done fine this season despite his technical deficiencies and missing a month at the AFCON.
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Apr 22, 2015 8:17:57 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 22, 2015 8:17:57 GMT
I like how the haters have only found a way into the thread with the Fuller comparison.
Get back under your rocks.
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Apr 22, 2015 8:27:16 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Apr 22, 2015 8:27:16 GMT
They don't particularly stick out because they weren't that bad. So to repeat you want to spend a bucket load of cash on the finished article up front? That's fine, I'm sure there's plenty of other clubs of our stature searching for the same type of striker. Not anticipating rebounds was another issue you had with him when you were ready to write him off. He must have been practicing that in training along with the touch that will never improve at the age of 27 even though apparently now it has improved (all your words not mine) They weren't that bad, or you can't remember either way? Why do other people have similar opinions if I'm just making it up? It's improved compared to what it was. Is that a permanent improvement we'll see going forward? Impossible to say at the moment isn't it? I have my doubts. It was not anticipating general forward play and it's still hit and miss. He's a good instinctive finisher but he still often fails to anticipate flick ons etc. West Brom was an example of that. I don't think the finished article necessarily does cost that much and clubs of our stature have found players to play that role effectively for less than that. I don't think that the problem is so much Diouf anticipating flick-ons as the midfield anticipating Diouf's potential runs, playing the ball to him earlier, and then getting up field quick enough to support him.
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Diouf
Apr 22, 2015 8:36:48 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 8:36:48 GMT
They weren't that bad, or you can't remember either way? Why do other people have similar opinions if I'm just making it up? It's improved compared to what it was. Is that a permanent improvement we'll see going forward? Impossible to say at the moment isn't it? I have my doubts. It was not anticipating general forward play and it's still hit and miss. He's a good instinctive finisher but he still often fails to anticipate flick ons etc. West Brom was an example of that. I don't think the finished article necessarily does cost that much and clubs of our stature have found players to play that role effectively for less than that. I don't think that the problem is so much Diouf anticipating flick-ons as the midfield anticipating Diouf's potential runs, playing the ball to him earlier, and then getting up field quick enough to support him. Bang on the money. His runs are superb, with a uninterrupted run in the team up front hopefully the players behind will start finding him with more regularity. I know a wee man currently injured who will that's for sure.......
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 8:50:52 GMT
The problem with his runs are that we need a central midfielder who can hit a good forward ball early. We have two at the moment who either can't or can but dwell on the ball too much.
By the time we get the ball wide to players who can it is too late and it's the wrong type of ball for a player like Diouf.
The one frustration here is Adam. A player who hasn't been used that much, but a player with the ability to spot that pass and execute it.
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