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Post by miggo on Apr 20, 2015 20:50:56 GMT
Number of times Ric went missing 'for weeks at a time'. Zero. Depressingly short memories. It may have been controversial and maybe a tad exaggerated but you really can't compare the 2, I love Ric as much now as I did when he was wearing the shirt but come on let's not over do it Ric found his level with us and it was one of those occasions where it works out well for player and club. If Ric was a better player than Diouf is now a PL club would have taken him from us. Sent from my C6603 using proboards
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 20, 2015 20:52:53 GMT
Number of times Ric went missing 'for weeks at a time'. Zero. Depressingly short memories. It may have been controversial and maybe a tad exaggerated but you really can't compare the 2, I love Ric as much now as I did when he was wearing the shirt but come on let's not over do it Ric found his level with us and it was one of those occasions where it works out well for player and club. If Ric was a better player than Diouf is now a PL club would have taken him from us. Sent from my C6603 using proboards Bollocks, it's neither here nor there.
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Diouf
Apr 20, 2015 20:55:30 GMT
Post by harryburrows on Apr 20, 2015 20:55:30 GMT
To be fair Marc you can't compare the two. Ric was way more than just goals. And that's from someone who thinks Mame is doing well. And that's the million dollar issue. Goals alone aren't enough for a lone striker, as perverse as that sounds. His touch has improved in recent weeks though, which is hugely encouraging, and his instincts are superb. His touch has improved without doubt , not sure if the coaches have been working on it but it's miles better
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Diouf
Apr 20, 2015 20:58:47 GMT
Post by bolders on Apr 20, 2015 20:58:47 GMT
Dioufs overall game is better than Rics its just that he had this ability to turn a player inside out, make a fool of him and score an amazing goal problem was his brilliance came in short doses but if they hadnt we wouldnt of had him
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 20, 2015 21:03:54 GMT
Dioufs overall game is better than Rics its just that he had this ability to turn a player inside out, make a fool of him and score an amazing goal problem was his brilliance came in short doses but if they hadnt we wouldnt of had him In what way is his 'overall game' better? He's a more instinctive finisher, that's it. The team's attacking threat relied on Fuller and more often than not we were utterly useless when he didn't play.
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Diouf
Apr 20, 2015 21:12:49 GMT
Post by bolders on Apr 20, 2015 21:12:49 GMT
Dioufs overall game is better than Rics its just that he had this ability to turn a player inside out, make a fool of him and score an amazing goal problem was his brilliance came in short doses but if they hadnt we wouldnt of had him In what way is his 'overall game' better? He's a more instinctive finisher, that's it. The team's attacking threat relied on Fuller and more often than not we were utterly useless when he didn't play. his link up play and willingness to track back if needed. Im not one of these Ric lovers chief
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Diouf
Apr 20, 2015 21:14:17 GMT
Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 20, 2015 21:14:17 GMT
In what way is his 'overall game' better? He's a more instinctive finisher, that's it. The team's attacking threat relied on Fuller and more often than not we were utterly useless when he didn't play. his link up play and willingness to track back if needed. Im not one of these Ric lovers chief You should be. His link play? What link play would that be, it's the weakest part of his game?!
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Post by miggo on Apr 20, 2015 21:15:29 GMT
In what way is his 'overall game' better? He's a more instinctive finisher, that's it. The team's attacking threat relied on Fuller and more often than not we were utterly useless when he didn't play. his link up play and willingness to track back if needed. Im not one of these Ric lovers chief If we signed Ric this season the same people who constantly criticise Arnie would be all over him for these exact reasons. Sent from my C6603 using proboards
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Diouf
Apr 20, 2015 21:16:50 GMT
Post by bolders on Apr 20, 2015 21:16:50 GMT
his link up play and willingness to track back if needed. Im not one of these Ric lovers chief You should be. His link play? What link play would that be, it's the weakest part of his game?! more than Rics ever was
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Diouf
Apr 20, 2015 21:31:27 GMT
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Post by entropy92 on Apr 20, 2015 21:31:27 GMT
his link up play and willingness to track back if needed. Im not one of these Ric lovers chief If we signed Ric this season the same people who constantly criticise Arnie would be all over him for these exact reasons. As much as I liked Fuller, this is true!
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Diouf
Apr 20, 2015 21:32:36 GMT
Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 20, 2015 21:32:36 GMT
You should be. His link play? What link play would that be, it's the weakest part of his game?! more than Rics ever was Based on what? Let's have some examples?
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Diouf
Apr 20, 2015 21:33:10 GMT
Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 20, 2015 21:33:10 GMT
If we signed Ric this season the same people who constantly criticise Arnie would be all over him for these exact reasons. As much as I liked Fuller, this is true! What reasons would they be, their own stupidity?
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Post by miggo on Apr 20, 2015 21:41:36 GMT
As much as I liked Fuller, this is true! What reasons would they be, their own stupidity? Ric was stubborn, through tempers when things didn't fall, seemed completely disinterested until the ball fell to his feet etc I could go on all day. On the plus side they are both prone to moments of genius but other than positionally and Arnie slapping Ryan they are very similar. Sent from my C6603 using proboards
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Diouf
Apr 20, 2015 21:45:03 GMT
Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 20, 2015 21:45:03 GMT
What reasons would they be, their own stupidity? Ric was stubborn, through tempers when things didn't fall, seemed completely disinterested until the ball fell to his feet etc I could go on all day. On the plus side they are both prone to moments of genius but other than positionally and Arnie slapping Ryan they are very similar. Sent from my C6603 using proboards Except that Ric was miles more consistent and influential and Arnie isn't disinterested but actually one of the harder working attacking players at the club.
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Apr 20, 2015 21:47:03 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 20, 2015 21:47:03 GMT
What reasons would they be, their own stupidity? Ric was stubborn, through tempers when things didn't fall, seemed completely disinterested until the ball fell to his feet etc I could go on all day. On the plus side they are both prone to moments of genius but other than positionally and Arnie slapping Ryan they are very similar. Sent from my C6603 using proboards I must have imagined all those lost causes he chased in the channels, scoring goals, creating chances, winning free kicks, corners and throw ins from absolutely nothing. Lazy bastard was Ric. (rolls eyes in disbelief emoticon)
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Post by miggo on Apr 20, 2015 22:01:10 GMT
Ric was stubborn, through tempers when things didn't fall, seemed completely disinterested until the ball fell to his feet etc I could go on all day. On the plus side they are both prone to moments of genius but other than positionally and Arnie slapping Ryan they are very similar. Sent from my C6603 using proboards I must have imagined all those lost causes he chased in the channels, scoring goals, creating chances, winning free kicks, corners and throw ins from absolutely nothing. Lazy bastard was Ric. (rolls eyes in disbelief emoticon) Not all the time but he could be. Played with heightened emotion as does Arnie, I love both and don't believe in the things that I have stated but this is what Arnie is criticised for in some circles, and there is a similarity in body language. I'm not denying Rics quality or Arnies or Dioufs for that matter but Diouf in my opinion is a better player than Ric, had Ric never had his injury issues and played for a premier league team regularly in his younger years then you could compare but you can't compare a player who was at his best in the championship with a player at his best bundersliga and still improving in the premier league. Sent from my C6603 using proboards
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Diouf
Apr 20, 2015 22:02:34 GMT
Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 20, 2015 22:02:34 GMT
I must have imagined all those lost causes he chased in the channels, scoring goals, creating chances, winning free kicks, corners and throw ins from absolutely nothing. Lazy bastard was Ric. (rolls eyes in disbelief emoticon) Not all the time but he could be. Played with heightened emotion as does Arnie, I love both and don't believe in the things that I have stated but this is what Arnie is criticised for in some circles, and there is a similarity in body language. I'm not denying Rics quality or Arnies or Dioufs for that matter but Diouf in my opinion is a better player than Ric, had Ric never had his injury issues and played for a premier league team regularly in his younger years then you could compare but you can't compare a player who was at his best in the championship with a player at his best bundersliga and still improving in the premier league. Sent from my C6603 using proboards Erm, surely you can compare their performances in the Premier League for Stoke City?
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Diouf
Apr 20, 2015 22:05:59 GMT
Post by lordb on Apr 20, 2015 22:05:59 GMT
Diouf and Ric? Chalk and cheese. Completely different. Diouf is more like Akinbye with a finish. Someone compared him to Carl Saunders,that's more like it.
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Post by Davef on Apr 20, 2015 22:14:20 GMT
Ricardo at his best in the Championship?
Someone's having a laugh.
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Apr 21, 2015 6:33:57 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 21, 2015 6:33:57 GMT
I think mame is a more clinical finisher than ric. Quite possibly. He's nowhere near as good though. That's not a slight on diouf. Not many are. Absolutely, but it was one of ric's weaknesses. It's just a good job he did create a shed load for himself and others
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Apr 21, 2015 6:44:34 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 21, 2015 6:44:34 GMT
Number of times Ric went missing 'for weeks at a time'. Zero. Depressingly short memories. Who's been missing for weeks at a time?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Apr 21, 2015 7:00:02 GMT
Number of times Ric went missing 'for weeks at a time'. Zero. Depressingly short memories. Who's been missing for weeks at a time? Ric used to go missing for weeks at a time according to yer man there.
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Apr 21, 2015 7:03:30 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 21, 2015 7:03:30 GMT
Who's been missing for weeks at a time? Ric used to go missing for weeks at a time according to yer man there. Right, I don't agree. He did disappear during games but he was a maverick and what he could do was worth waiting for.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Apr 21, 2015 7:09:59 GMT
Who's been missing for weeks at a time? Ric used to go missing for weeks at a time according to yer man there. There seems to be some weird philosophy creeping into some of our support which means that everything that is shiny and new has to be better than existing or past players. I've seen Wolly vs Ryan debated and now Mame vs Ric. Seriously? Nothing against our two recent additions but really?
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Post by foster on Apr 21, 2015 8:51:22 GMT
Can we just agree that Diouf is miles better than Mama ever was.
Let's leave Ric (Legend) out of it.
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Apr 21, 2015 9:19:15 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 21, 2015 9:19:15 GMT
Can we just agree that Diouf is miles better than Mama ever was. Let's leave Ric (Legend) out of it. Or Pericard, who he was compared to after 2 games.
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Diouf
Apr 21, 2015 9:34:24 GMT
Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 21, 2015 9:34:24 GMT
Can we just agree that Diouf is miles better than Mama ever was. Let's leave Ric (Legend) out of it. Or Pericard, who he was compared to after 2 games. Come on hes good but hes hardly Pericard (I used to play for Juve you know) standard is he? Not many are to be fair
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 21, 2015 9:41:39 GMT
Number of times Ric went missing 'for weeks at a time'. Zero. Depressingly short memories. It may have been controversial and maybe a tad exaggerated but you really can't compare the 2, I love Ric as much now as I did when he was wearing the shirt but come on let's not over do it Ric found his level with us and it was one of those occasions where it works out well for player and club. If Ric was a better player than Diouf is now a PL club would have taken him from us. Sent from my C6603 using proboards I really like Mama Diouf but your last comment is complete and utter rubbish, as is your comment that Ric was at his best in the Championship. Put Mama in the Stoke City side that Fuller played in and he would struggle to score 5 goals a season. Ric carried the forward threat of that team, ably assisted when he arrived by Matty Etherington, in a way that very few players could have done and in a way that Diouf would never have been able to do. They are totally different players and Diouf is doing great for us but he isn't, nor will he ever be, a Ricardo Fuller. Stick the 2008, 2009 or 2010 version of Ricardo Fuller in this side and flank him with any combination of Odemwingie, Moses, Arnie and Bojan and this Stoke City team would be unbelievable to watch and a real handful for any team on any ground.
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Diouf
Apr 21, 2015 9:51:58 GMT
Post by huddy on Apr 21, 2015 9:51:58 GMT
Ric was a very talented technical footballer with great feet and touch.Diouf isn't.
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Diouf
Apr 21, 2015 10:48:13 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 21, 2015 10:48:13 GMT
Ric was a very talented technical footballer with great feet and touch.Diouf isn't. No but what he is is a hard worker, a goal scorer and (more importantly) a Stoke City player. It's just a shame we have an element of absolute bellends amongst our support.
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