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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 22, 2014 12:18:59 GMT
What the hell are you on about? What do you think should be done to combat the threat of British citizens fighting abroad and then coming back home to carry on. It's unlikely that they would "carry on" as you put it. I would also imagine it would be very difficult for them to return. What would you suggest, rounding them up at Dover and shooting them?
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Post by britsabroad on Aug 22, 2014 12:21:52 GMT
What do you think should be done to combat the threat of British citizens fighting abroad and then coming back home to carry on. It's unlikely that they would "carry on" as you put it. I would also imagine it would be very difficult for them to return. What would you suggest, rounding them up at Dover and shooting them? So in other words, you've no idea.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 22, 2014 12:32:22 GMT
It's unlikely that they would "carry on" as you put it. I would also imagine it would be very difficult for them to return. What would you suggest, rounding them up at Dover and shooting them? So in other words, you've no idea. Find them, jail them...that's all terrorists obviously. Still waiting for your response?
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Post by thevoid on Aug 22, 2014 12:43:08 GMT
I always wonder when people talk of civil war, uprisings and turmoil, whether they're warning everyone or secretly wishing it will happen. A good argument always gets things sorted, rather than letting things fester. It will happen, we might as well get it out of the way. As for the left-wing, considering they shout 'racist' at the drop of a hat, they seem to have some serious issues with the Jews.
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Post by Northy on Aug 22, 2014 12:47:48 GMT
What do you think should be done to combat the threat of British citizens fighting abroad and then coming back home to carry on. It's unlikely that they would "carry on" as you put it. I would also imagine it would be very difficult for them to return. What would you suggest, rounding them up at Dover and shooting them? that sounds a good idea, it'll save on the welfare bill kill them, kill them all ....
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 22, 2014 13:14:27 GMT
I always wonder when people talk of civil war, uprisings and turmoil, whether they're warning everyone or secretly wishing it will happen. A good argument always gets things sorted, rather than letting things fester. It will happen, we might as well get it out of the way. As for the left-wing, considering they shout 'racist' at the drop of a hat, they seem to have some serious issues with the Jews. It's already been explained but worth repeating for you. It's not about the Jews it's about the Zionist element among them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 13:23:51 GMT
The Labour Party and it's supporters made similar errors of judgement at the start of the Second World War by preferring the appeasement option. Party politics and socialism should play no part in national security and the terrorist threat. I shouldn't be having to tell you this ...you over 12 after all. For these two points alone your opinions are laughable and pointless. Neville Chamberlain was a Conservative Party Leader mate & the only people appeasing Hitler were the Royal Family (who spent most of the war years in the South of France) and Far Right..Oswald Moseleys Fascist Party being a case in point I am not referring to Neville Chamberlain . I am talking about the vast majority of Labour Party members prior to the declaration of war . I am well aware of Neville Chamberlains stance on the matter and of Edward who abdicated his position. The only man that saved this country was a man called Winston Churchill who took the whole damned lot on and eventually became prime minister. He was stabbed in the back and constantly criticised throughout the early part of his leadership.
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Post by desman2 on Aug 22, 2014 13:30:51 GMT
What do you think should be done to combat the threat of British citizens fighting abroad and then coming back home to carry on. It's unlikely that they would "carry on" as you put it. I would also imagine it would be very difficult for them to return. What would you suggest, rounding them up at Dover and shooting them? Excellent idea
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Post by thevoid on Aug 22, 2014 13:36:43 GMT
A good argument always gets things sorted, rather than letting things fester. It will happen, we might as well get it out of the way. As for the left-wing, considering they shout 'racist' at the drop of a hat, they seem to have some serious issues with the Jews. It's already been explained but worth repeating for you. It's not about the Jews it's about the Zionist element among them. Well my issue isn't with Muslims per se (Mo Farah etc), it's with the fanatics among them. Deuce? Although it wouldn't do the moderate members any harm to denounce the actions of the lunatics, would it? Surely as an excercise in PR, if nothing else. What are your thoughts on George Galloway by the way? Is he your man crush?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 13:46:19 GMT
No...there are thousands of pro Jihadists in this country. There is 1000 or more actively fighting in Syria and Iraq . There has been 47,000... Yes 47,000 articles of pro jihadist video propaganda removed from the internet as a matter of immediate urgency for national security. There is a population of 58 million in this country but how many of them do you estimate are white British terrorists planning on killing Muslims as a result of the recent conflict in Syria and Iraq. .? So far ....the answer to that is zero . There will of course be the normal racially motivated brawls but nothing anywhere near the organised orchestrated machine driving the Isis forces in the Middle East. The United States chief of staff said a few moments ago that there is an imminent threat of terrorism in Europe as these fighters return home . That threat is as a result of open borders and complicated strategies employed. You can either pass off his remarks and ignore the figures or accept that these guys are better experts and more qualified to evaluate these risks. This country now faces decades of terrorist attack on its own territory by its liberal stance on immigration. That fact is set in stone and irrefutable. No one has said that all Muslims are bad , or should be killed , but the idea that this threat is from a tiny minority is absolutely ridiculous. They might not be active fighters , but there are many thousands of fund raisers and sympathisers if the American General Dempsey is to be believed. The risk of terrorism is extremely high and will remain so. To think I once had you as a fellow socialist. I know now what you are. what you have to remember Huddy is that if anyone else uses media reports or what Politicians from here or the US have said to dispute someone's point then we're told how naive we are to believe it and to use our common sense and brains rather than being led by propaganda....however those people are always more than happy to use that same kind of evidence if it backs them up. there are apparently half a dozen people on this board who decide exactly what media can be used to support arguments and they will also decide as and when these can be used. funnily enough, the times when they CAN be used almost always coincide with when those people happen to need to use those "Facts"...whenever anyone else does however then it's just propaganda and we're being brainwashed convenient dontcha think?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 13:54:15 GMT
To think I once had you as a fellow socialist. I know now what you are. what you have to remember Huddy is that if anyone else uses media reports or what Politicians from here or the US have said to dispute someone's point then we're told how naive we are to believe it and to use our common sense and brains rather than being led by propaganda....however those people are always more than happy to use that same kind of evidence if it backs them up. there are apparently half a dozen people on this board who decide exactly what media can be used to support arguments and they will also decide as and when these can be used. funnily enough, the times when they CAN be used almost always coincide with when those people happen to need to use those "Facts"...whenever anyone else does however then it's just propaganda and we're being brainwashed convenient dontcha think? All thinly disguised bullshit I'm afraid. The information I provided was straight from the horses mouth....a Live interview in the Whitehouse . It's up to you whether your version of events is more accurate or whether you happen to believe it or not. Personally I believe the experts version of events.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 22, 2014 13:56:10 GMT
It's already been explained but worth repeating for you. It's not about the Jews it's about the Zionist element among them. Well my issue isn't with Muslims per se (Mo Farah etc), it's with the fanatics among them. Deuce? Although it wouldn't do the moderate members any harm to denounce the actions of the lunatics, would it? Surely as an excercise in PR, if nothing else. What are your thoughts on George Galloway by the way? Is he your man crush? Not a lot of point in responding if you're appearing to be dumb and childish eh?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 14:05:43 GMT
Neville Chamberlain was a Conservative Party Leader mate & the only people appeasing Hitler were the Royal Family (who spent most of the war years in the South of France) and Far Right..Oswald Moseleys Fascist Party being a case in point I am not referring to Neville Chamberlain . I am talking about the vast majority of Labour Party members prior to the declaration of war . I am well aware of Neville Chamberlains stance on the matter and of Edward who abdicated his position. The only man that saved this country was a man called Winston Churchill who took the whole damned lot on and eventually became prime minister. He was stabbed in the back and constantly criticised throughout the early part of his leadership. Quite right about Churchill, in fact he survived a vote of no confidence in the commons in 1942 , and undoubtedly he would have faced a second one shortly afterwards , as the war was going badly for Britain , his leadership was probably saved ( thank goodness ) by victory at the battle of El Alamein , and henceforth the probable outcome of the war was never then in doubt .
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 22, 2014 14:09:51 GMT
Neville Chamberlain was a Conservative Party Leader mate & the only people appeasing Hitler were the Royal Family (who spent most of the war years in the South of France) and Far Right..Oswald Moseleys Fascist Party being a case in point I am not referring to Neville Chamberlain . I am talking about the vast majority of Labour Party members prior to the declaration of war . I am well aware of Neville Chamberlains stance on the matter and of Edward who abdicated his position. The only man that saved this country was a man called Winston Churchill who took the whole damned lot on and eventually became prime minister. He was stabbed in the back and constantly criticised throughout the early part of his leadership. Well Mumf..I agree about Churchill. .he was one of the few in his Party that did oppose Hitler's expansionist policies in the early 30s. I don't think you're right though about Labour supporters. Many fought in the Spanish Civil War against the Fascists & just for the record Tony Benn..that most reviled of Labour Supporters was a fighter pilot in the WW2 and won the Victoria Cross. Just because you vote Labour doesn't mean you're as soft as shit mate. I almost feel like I have to apologise coming on here because I vote Labour. Fuck me..this is Stoke on Trent. Peter Coates has been a Labour voter all his life & so have many other decent people. ;-)
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Post by dutchpeter72 on Aug 22, 2014 14:14:00 GMT
I don't believe Tony Benn won the Victoria Cross, unless I'm much mistaken.
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 22, 2014 14:22:40 GMT
I don't believe Tony Benn won the Victoria Cross, unless I'm much mistaken. DFC DSO
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 14:24:50 GMT
I am not referring to Neville Chamberlain . I am talking about the vast majority of Labour Party members prior to the declaration of war . I am well aware of Neville Chamberlains stance on the matter and of Edward who abdicated his position. The only man that saved this country was a man called Winston Churchill who took the whole damned lot on and eventually became prime minister. He was stabbed in the back and constantly criticised throughout the early part of his leadership. Well Mumf..I agree about Churchill. .he was one of the few in his Party that did oppose Hitler's expansionist policies in the early 30s. I don't think you're right though about Labour supporters. Many fought in the Spanish Civil War against the Fascists & just for the record Tony Benn..that most reviled of Labour Supporters was a fighter pilot in the WW2 and won the Victoria Cross. Just because you vote Labour doesn't mean you're as soft as shit mate. I almost feel like I have to apologise coming on here because I vote Labour. Fuck me..this is Stoke on Trent. Peter Coates has been a Labour voter all his life & so have many other decent people. ;-) Name Unit Date of action Conflict Place of action Notes Edward Mannock No. 74 Squadron and No. 85 Squadron 17 June 1918 to 26 July 1918* First World War Western Front [6] Andrew Beauchamp-Proctor No. 84 Squadron 8 August 1918 to 8 October 1918 First World War Western Front [7] Ferdinand West No. 8 Squadron 10 August 1918 First World War Near Ham and Hombleux, France [8] William Barker No. 201 Squadron (attached) 27 October 1918 First World War Over the Forêt de Mormal, France [9] Donald Garland No. 12 Squadron 12 May 1940* Second World War Over the Albert Canal, Belgium [10] Thomas Gray No. 12 Squadron 12 May 1940* Second World War Over the Albert Canal, Belgium [10] Roderick Learoyd No. 49 Squadron 12 August 1940 Second World War Over the Dortmund-Ems Canal, Germany [11] Eric Nicolson No. 249 Squadron 16 August 1940 Second World War Near Southampton, England [12] John Hannah No. 83 Squadron 15 September 1940 Second World War Over Antwerp, Belgium [13] Kenneth Campbell No. 22 Squadron 6 April 1941* Second World War Over Brest Harbour, France [14] Hughie Edwards No. 105 Squadron 4 July 1941 Second World War Over the port of Bremen, Germany [15] Arthur Scarf No. 62 Squadron 9 December 1941* Second World War Over and on return from Singora, Thailand [16] John Nettleton No. 44 (Rhodesia) Squadron 17 April 1942 Second World War On the outward flight and over Augsburg, Germany [17] Leslie Manser No. 50 Squadron 30 May 1942 to 31 May 1942* Second World War Over and attempting to return from Cologne, Germany [18] Hugh Malcolm No. 18 Squadron 4 December 1942* Second World War Near Chougui, Tunisia [19] Guy Gibson No. 617 Squadron 16 May 1943 to 17 May 1943 Second World War Over the Möhne and Eder dams, Germany [20] Arthur Aaron No. 218 Squadron 12 August 1943* Second World War Over Turin, Italy and on the return flight to Bone, North Africa [21] William Reid No. 61 Squadron 3 November 1943 Second World War On the outward flight and over and returning from Düsseldorf, Germany [22] Cyril Barton No. 578 Squadron 30 March 1944* Second World War On the outward flight and over and returning from Nuremberg, Germany [23] Norman Jackson No. 106 Squadron 26 April 1944 to 27 April 1944 Second World War Attempting to return from Schweinfurt, Germany [24] John Cruickshank No. 210 Squadron 17 July 1944 to 18 July 1944 Second World War North Atlantic [25] Ian Bazalgette No. 635 Squadron 4 August 1944* Second World War Over Trossy St. Maximin and flying to Senantes, France [26] Leonard Cheshire Several bomber squadrons 1940 to 1944 Second World War Western Europe [27] David Lord No. 271 Squadron 19 September 1944* Second World War Over Arnhem, Holland [28] Robert Palmer No. 109 Squadron 23 December 1944* Second World War Over Cologne, Germany [29] George Thompson No. 9 Squadron 1 January 1945* Second World War Over the Dortmund-Ems Canal, Germany [30] ReferencesEdit I can't see his name in the list and I'm pretty sure you're wrong on that one too.,!
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Post by thevoid on Aug 22, 2014 14:30:09 GMT
Well my issue isn't with Muslims per se (Mo Farah etc), it's with the fanatics among them. Deuce? Although it wouldn't do the moderate members any harm to denounce the actions of the lunatics, would it? Surely as an excercise in PR, if nothing else. What are your thoughts on George Galloway by the way? Is he your man crush? Not a lot of point in responding if you're appearing to be dumb and childish eh? What are your thoughts on George Galloway?
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Post by thevoid on Aug 22, 2014 14:34:56 GMT
I am not referring to Neville Chamberlain . I am talking about the vast majority of Labour Party members prior to the declaration of war . I am well aware of Neville Chamberlains stance on the matter and of Edward who abdicated his position. The only man that saved this country was a man called Winston Churchill who took the whole damned lot on and eventually became prime minister. He was stabbed in the back and constantly criticised throughout the early part of his leadership. Well Mumf..I agree about Churchill. .he was one of the few in his Party that did oppose Hitler's expansionist policies in the early 30s. I don't think you're right though about Labour supporters. Many fought in the Spanish Civil War against the Fascists & just for the record Tony Benn..that most reviled of Labour Supporters was a fighter pilot in the WW2 and won the Victoria Cross. Just because you vote Labour doesn't mean you're as soft as shit mate. I almost feel like I have to apologise coming on here because I vote Labour. Fuck me..this is Stoke on Trent. Peter Coates has been a Labour voter all his life & so have many other decent people. ;-) Exactly, and what a state Stoke-on-Trent is in. Labour don't need to make an effort here because they're nailed on to get re-elected. Again and again. "i'm from Stowk, I vote Labour because me dad and grandad did" It's that mentality that makes us the parochial backwater the rest of the nation sees us as. Although I think we're veering slightly off-topic here...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 15:01:40 GMT
I am not referring to Neville Chamberlain . I am talking about the vast majority of Labour Party members prior to the declaration of war . I am well aware of Neville Chamberlains stance on the matter and of Edward who abdicated his position. The only man that saved this country was a man called Winston Churchill who took the whole damned lot on and eventually became prime minister. He was stabbed in the back and constantly criticised throughout the early part his leadership. Well Mumf..I agree about Churchill. .he was one of the few in his Party that did oppose Hitler's expansionist policies in the early 30s. I don't think you're right though about Labour supporters. Many fought in the Spanish Civil War against the Fascists & just for the record Tony Benn..that most reviled of Labour Supporters was a fighter pilot in the WW2 and won the Victoria Cross. Just because you vote Labour doesn't mean you're as soft as shit mate. I almost feel like I have to apologise coming on here because I vote Labour. Fuck me..this is Stoke on Trent. Peter Coates has been a Labour voter all his life & so have many other decent people. ;-) Tony Benn fighter pilot and Victoria Cross Winner ? I think not .......he was an officer in the R.A.F from March 1945 ......the war in Europe ended on the 8th May 1945 , he served for a couple of months in Southern Africa , before resigning in August . Only one RAF fighter pilot was awarded the Victoria Cross during the Second World War, James Nicholson .
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Post by Northy on Aug 22, 2014 17:08:49 GMT
You may have seen it before, a good answer about radical muslims
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Post by desman2 on Aug 22, 2014 17:17:54 GMT
You may have seen it before, a good answer about radical muslims And the thing is, the analogies she gave were totally accurate.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 17:44:36 GMT
You may have seen it before, a good answer about radical muslims Excellent. She has more guts and balls than the whole of the PC lobby on here. A marvellous woman ....I want to marry her. Edit The figures she quoted were absolutely staggering .....terrifying infact.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 17:55:31 GMT
You may have seen it before, a good answer about radical muslims Absolutely correct in everything she says
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 22, 2014 18:27:12 GMT
Well Mumf..I agree about Churchill. .he was one of the few in his Party that did oppose Hitler's expansionist policies in the early 30s. I don't think you're right though about Labour supporters. Many fought in the Spanish Civil War against the Fascists & just for the record Tony Benn..that most reviled of Labour Supporters was a fighter pilot in the WW2 and won the Victoria Cross. Just because you vote Labour doesn't mean you're as soft as shit mate. I almost feel like I have to apologise coming on here because I vote Labour. Fuck me..this is Stoke on Trent. Peter Coates has been a Labour voter all his life & so have many other decent people. ;-) Exactly, and what a state Stoke-on-Trent is in. Labour don't need to make an effort here because they're nailed on to get re-elected. Again and again. "i'm from Stowk, I vote Labour because me dad and grandad did" It's that mentality that makes us the parochial backwater the rest of the nation sees us as. Although I think we're veering slightly off-topic here... No I don't vote Labour because my parents did..it wasn't the Labour Party that decimated Stoke on Trent in the 1980s Before you start taking the piss out of people from Stoke on Trent get your facts straight. Intelligent people know their economic history. Dickheads don't. And don't mock our accents...just because we dunna tork proper dunna mean we're thick.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 22, 2014 19:11:03 GMT
You may have seen it before, a good answer about radical muslims Excellent. She has more guts and balls than the whole of the PC lobby on here. A marvellous woman ....I want to marry her. Edit The figures she quoted were absolutely staggering .....terrifying infact. You're welcome to her...shit stirring at it's finest. Wonder what her solution is?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 22, 2014 19:12:21 GMT
Not a lot of point in responding if you're appearing to be dumb and childish eh? What are your thoughts on George Galloway? What are your thoughts on the KKK? Or the radical right wing christians who bomb abortion clinics?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 22, 2014 20:37:42 GMT
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Post by Nick1984 on Aug 22, 2014 22:03:30 GMT
Shi'ites in not supporting al Qaeda shocker!
Not surprised that the majority of Pakistan (Sunni) support terrorist, brainwashed hateful people.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 22:43:43 GMT
I'm not one for following party political lines on anything as my views on this particular debate clearly indicate. I am a firm believer in looking at the topic up for discussion and following the path that is most measured and balanced . In many instances that is not the path of the socialist Labour Party. I have always been a free spirit and tried to follow my conscience rather than what my preferred political party instructs me to do. Sadly , that free spirit is not mirrored or echoed by other posters but I none the less respect their view. The golden rule for me is what is best for the UK and it's citizens as a whole. We can all be guilty of generalisations and stereo typing as a way of making a point , but the fundamental crux of any argument is the main issues or fears that the groundswell of public opinion when it involves matters of grave and national importance. The politically correct BBC was keen tonight to gauge the opinion of people attending mosques in the North west. They were keen to promote and show the efforts of the Muslim preachers condemning the actions of the British terrorist decapitating James Foley and did so in a way that clearly suggested that it was contemptable and morally wrong. Afterwards the worshippers were interviewed outside the mosque to comment individually. Many were of the opinion that it was not wrong to take up arms and fight abroad and one individual clearly said that it was the BBC making up stories of execution etc. Even when documentary evidence and video evidence of an execution had taken place they were still very reluctant to condemn this violent and horrific act of murder. This is the biggest worry for me , and one which was echoed by the American officials in the Whitehouse. The threat to national security is immediate and severe. There is no ifs and buts. The fact that there are still some of us who still want to peddle the myth that this is purely scaremongering and lies just shows the blind hatred of human decency and compassion towards our fellow man.
I think that we are now at a crossroads of human emotion and public support for anti terrorist measures and it is quickly gaining more and more public support by the day. Ten years from now we will be looking back at this brief period in our history as fundamental turning point for more and sustained atrocities by anti western fundamentalists. Fighting these funamentalist will be a very costly humanitarian campaign with little scope for mediation or compromise.
I draw the comparison of Enoch Powels Rivers of Blood speech as a carefully informed and prophetic analysis of how he saw things disintegrating and descending into violence. I would say that that Enochs comments are in essence a very a poignant and accurate political argument.
Things can only get worse before they get better.
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