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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 20:42:20 GMT
Once again a whole demographic gets demonised BECAUSE OF THE ACTIONS OF a minority element. FROM THAT DEMOGRAPHIC The fact he is a British Muslim makes it no better no worse No...there are thousands of pro Jihadists in this country. There is 1000 or more actively fighting in Syria and Iraq . There has been 47,000... Yes 47,000 articles of pro jihadist video propaganda removed from the internet as a matter of immediate urgency for national security. There is a population of 58 million in this country but how many of them do you estimate are white British terrorists planning on killing Muslims as a result of the recent conflict in Syria and Iraq. .? So far ....the answer to that is zero . There will of course be the normal racially motivated brawls but nothing anywhere near the organised orchestrated machine driving the Isis forces in the Middle East. The United States chief of staff said a few moments ago that there is an imminent threat of terrorism in Europe as these fighters return home . That threat is as a result of open borders and complicated strategies employed. You can either pass off his remarks and ignore the figures or accept that these guys are better experts and more qualified to evaluate these risks. This country now faces decades of terrorist attack on its own territory by its liberal stance on immigration. That fact is set in stone and irrefutable. No one has said that all Muslims are bad , or should be killed , but the idea that this threat is from a tiny minority is absolutely ridiculous. They might not be active fighters , but there are many thousands of fund raisers and sympathisers if the American General Dempsey is to be believed. The risk of terrorism is extremely high and will remain so.
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Post by Nick1984 on Aug 21, 2014 20:51:33 GMT
Loving the conspiracies that this is a Zionist plot to turn the entire middle east/central Asia into a huge war vortex that results in the deaths of millions of Muslims with Israel coming in and taking over.
Makes me feel a bit safer that way to be honest. Wasn't Omar Bakri exposed as a Jew? Whatever happened to that guy?
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Post by boothenboy75 on Aug 21, 2014 21:14:00 GMT
Once again a whole demographic gets demonised BECAUSE OF THE ACTIONS OF a minority element. FROM THAT DEMOGRAPHIC The fact he is a British Muslim makes it no better no worse No...there are thousands of pro Jihadists in this country. There is 1000 or more actively fighting in Syria and Iraq . There has been 47,000... Yes 47,000 articles of pro jihadist video propaganda removed from the internet as a matter of immediate urgency for national security. There is a population of 58 million in this country but how many of them do you estimate are white British terrorists planning on killing Muslims as a result of the recent conflict in Syria and Iraq. .? So far ....the answer to that is zero . There will of course be the normal racially motivated brawls but nothing anywhere near the organised orchestrated machine driving the Isis forces in the Middle East. The United States chief of staff said a few moments ago that there is an imminent threat of terrorism in Europe as these fighters return home . That threat is as a result of open borders and complicated strategies employed. You can either pass off his remarks and ignore the figures or accept that these guys are better experts and more qualified to evaluate these risks. This country now faces decades of terrorist attack on its own territory by its liberal stance on immigration. That fact is set in stone and irrefutable. No one has said that all Muslims are bad , or should be killed , but the idea that this threat is from a tiny minority is absolutely ridiculous. They might not be active fighters , but there are many thousands of fund raisers and sympathisers if the American General Dempsey is to be believed. The risk of terrorism is extremely high and will remain so. Nobody with any common sense can disagree with a single word.
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Post by boothenboy75 on Aug 21, 2014 21:21:56 GMT
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Post by boothenboy75 on Aug 21, 2014 21:23:31 GMT
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Post by pickins on Aug 21, 2014 22:17:43 GMT
A tuppence worth........
There comes a point when people must say enough is enough. We have been hugely tolerant in this country, and rightly so to a degree.
You cannot say that these cretinous heathens represent the majority of a religion, but that's the name in which they are fighting. Neither can you deal with the problem on an individual basis. It doesn't work.
We see it on the news, we have seen it on our streets and we are increasingly hearing about it on a daily basis from every media outlet available. People are genuinely starting to feel fearful. That is a very dangerous situation because sooner or later an incident will cause good people to react badly.
The fact that we have UK nationals involved is harrowing but it should NEVER have been allowed to happen in the first place. I'm all in favour of freedom of rational speech but it seems that lately you can just about get away with saying whatever the hell you like from a soap box on the streets of our capital without consequence. Why are these people not confronted?
I'm afraid that, thanks to the political situation of the mid 90s, our core values have been diluted to the point where people feel guilty for opposing anything. It's easy to talk about it. Is anyone likely to do anything about it? Thought not.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 22, 2014 0:12:07 GMT
Anyone else think that civil war is an ever-increasing possibility? The way things are going, the Right will garner more and more support. People will only take so much, it only takes one spark.
Maybe Enoch wasn't far off the mark with his Rivers of Blood....
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 22, 2014 0:32:09 GMT
Once again a whole demographic gets demonised BECAUSE OF THE ACTIONS OF a minority element. FROM THAT DEMOGRAPHIC The fact he is a British Muslim makes it no better no worse No...there are thousands of pro Jihadists in this country. There is 1000 or more actively fighting in Syria and Iraq . There has been 47,000... Yes 47,000 articles of pro jihadist video propaganda removed from the internet as a matter of immediate urgency for national security. There is a population of 58 million in this country but how many of them do you estimate are white British terrorists planning on killing Muslims as a result of the recent conflict in Syria and Iraq. .? So far ....the answer to that is zero . There will of course be the normal racially motivated brawls but nothing anywhere near the organised orchestrated machine driving the Isis forces in the Middle East. The United States chief of staff said a few moments ago that there is an imminent threat of terrorism in Europe as these fighters return home . That threat is as a result of open borders and complicated strategies employed. You can either pass off his remarks and ignore the figures or accept that these guys are better experts and more qualified to evaluate these risks. This country now faces decades of terrorist attack on its own territory by its liberal stance on immigration. That fact is set in stone and irrefutable. No one has said that all Muslims are bad , or should be killed , but the idea that this threat is from a tiny minority is absolutely ridiculous. They might not be active fighters , but there are many thousands of fund raisers and sympathisers if the American General Dempsey is to be believed. The risk of terrorism is extremely high and will remain so. To think I once had you as a fellow socialist. I know now what you are.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 0:36:10 GMT
No...there are thousands of pro Jihadists in this country. There is 1000 or more actively fighting in Syria and Iraq . There has been 47,000... Yes 47,000 articles of pro jihadist video propaganda removed from the internet as a matter of immediate urgency for national security. There is a population of 58 million in this country but how many of them do you estimate are white British terrorists planning on killing Muslims as a result of the recent conflict in Syria and Iraq. .? So far ....the answer to that is zero . There will of course be the normal racially motivated brawls but nothing anywhere near the organised orchestrated machine driving the Isis forces in the Middle East. The United States chief of staff said a few moments ago that there is an imminent threat of terrorism in Europe as these fighters return home . That threat is as a result of open borders and complicated strategies employed. You can either pass off his remarks and ignore the figures or accept that these guys are better experts and more qualified to evaluate these risks. This country now faces decades of terrorist attack on its own territory by its liberal stance on immigration. That fact is set in stone and irrefutable. No one has said that all Muslims are bad , or should be killed , but the idea that this threat is from a tiny minority is absolutely ridiculous. They might not be active fighters , but there are many thousands of fund raisers and sympathisers if the American General Dempsey is to be believed. The risk of terrorism is extremely high and will remain so. To think I once had you as a fellow socialist. I know now what you are. Well don't dither...tell me. If you can't counter an argument then it's better to say nothing . It makes you appear weak and defeated. By the way , did they name the guy who stabbed the bloke outside where you live ? What was his name ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 1:15:56 GMT
Even in this thread there are more people concerned with defending Muslims than condemning these atrocious acts and the people supporting them/carrying them out. If the general public is more interested in avoiding offence than dealing with a sensitive issue then its only going to get worse. Applying your logic I could assume you are offended by the beheading of an American journalist in Iraq but seem to have been remarkably ambivalent to the killing and in some cases beheading of hundreds if not thousands of iraqi Muslims, Christians and other minorities by the same group as you have stayed silent. I won't as like most sane people i'll assume you're against the murder of people of any creed or colour perhaps you should try the same.... What happened was unbelievable ....We know what is taking place out there ...all atrocities are to be lamented .....I find this all hard to,understand .....justification for barbarism
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 22, 2014 1:17:46 GMT
To think I once had you as a fellow socialist. I know now what you are. Well don't dither...tell me. If you can't counter an argument then it's better to say nothing . It makes you appear weak and defeated. By the way , did they name the guy who stabbed the bloke outside where you live ? What was his name ? Quite simply you're a massive let down.
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Post by dutchstokie on Aug 22, 2014 8:56:39 GMT
Once again a whole demographic gets demonised BECAUSE OF THE ACTIONS OF a minority element. FROM THAT DEMOGRAPHIC The fact he is a British Muslim makes it no better no worse No...there are thousands of pro Jihadists in this country. There is 1000 or more actively fighting in Syria and Iraq . There has been 47,000... Yes 47,000 articles of pro jihadist video propaganda removed from the internet as a matter of immediate urgency for national security. There is a population of 58 million in this country but how many of them do you estimate are white British terrorists planning on killing Muslims as a result of the recent conflict in Syria and Iraq. .? So far ....the answer to that is zero . There will of course be the normal racially motivated brawls but nothing anywhere near the organised orchestrated machine driving the Isis forces in the Middle East. The United States chief of staff said a few moments ago that there is an imminent threat of terrorism in Europe as these fighters return home . That threat is as a result of open borders and complicated strategies employed. You can either pass off his remarks and ignore the figures or accept that these guys are better experts and more qualified to evaluate these risks. This country now faces decades of terrorist attack on its own territory by its liberal stance on immigration. That fact is set in stone and irrefutable. No one has said that all Muslims are bad , or should be killed , but the idea that this threat is from a tiny minority is absolutely ridiculous. They might not be active fighters , but there are many thousands of fund raisers and sympathisers if the American General Dempsey is to be believed. The risk of terrorism is extremely high and will remain so. The underlined quote and in addition your quote "the pan is simmering and boiling over the sides" is something VERY prevalant over here in NL.....in The Hague, Amsterdam, Rotterdam its bubbling away with no apparent let up. The well known 'tolerance' of the Dutch is being pushed to its very limits. The Dutch MP Geert Wilders - as mad as a box of frogs, has said on many occasions something should be done about this www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-11464025Admittedly this was 4 years ago but hes had MANY brushes with Dutch parliament and extremist groups since then. This is my stand point - Its gonna 'go off' in the not too distant future somewhere in Europe, and when it does......then brace yourselves www.newsweek.com/pro-isis-demonstrators-call-death-jews-hague-262064This link was from just a few months ago in The Hague What can we do about it.....? I tell you nothing.... absolutely nothing.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Aug 22, 2014 9:26:42 GMT
I always wonder when people talk of civil war, uprisings and turmoil, whether they're warning everyone or secretly wishing it will happen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 9:43:41 GMT
Well don't dither...tell me. If you can't counter an argument then it's better to say nothing . It makes you appear weak and defeated. By the way , did they name the guy who stabbed the bloke outside where you live ? What was his name ? Quite simply you're a massive let down. The Labour Party and it's supporters made similar errors of judgement at the start of the Second World War by preferring the appeasement option. Party politics and socialism should play no part in national security and the terrorist threat. I shouldn't be having to tell you this ...you over 12 after all. For these two points alone your opinions are laughable and pointless.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 22, 2014 9:59:27 GMT
Quite simply you're a massive let down. The Labour Party and it's supporters made similar errors of judgement at the start of the Second World War by preferring the appeasement option. Party politics and socialism should play no part in national security and the terrorist threat. I shouldn't be having to tell you this ...you over 12 after all. For these two points alone your opinions are laughable and pointless. I'd rather be pointless than racist, eh?
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Post by desman2 on Aug 22, 2014 10:14:01 GMT
The Labour Party and it's supporters made similar errors of judgement at the start of the Second World War by preferring the appeasement option. Party politics and socialism should play no part in national security and the terrorist threat. I shouldn't be having to tell you this ...you over 12 after all. For these two points alone your opinions are laughable and pointless. I'd rather be pointless than racist, eh? Id have thought it was these nut jobs doing the terror stuff who are racist, homophobic and all the other tedious labels.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 22, 2014 10:26:20 GMT
I'd rather be pointless than racist, eh? Id have thought it was these nut jobs doing the terror stuff who are racist, homophobic and all the other tedious labels. Racism doesn't need to come into it though does it Des? Funny how the west is outraged at Jihadism yet remains silent on Zionism, for example.
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Post by desman2 on Aug 22, 2014 10:30:15 GMT
I do actually agree with you on that Huddy. It does conveniently get overlooked.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Aug 22, 2014 10:34:34 GMT
Well to quote John Gaunt
'Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim. '
He does have a point.
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Post by britsabroad on Aug 22, 2014 10:45:06 GMT
Id have thought it was these nut jobs doing the terror stuff who are racist, homophobic and all the other tedious labels. Racism doesn't need to come into it though does it Des? Funny how the west is outraged at Jihadism yet remains silent on Zionism, for example. Im curious. You're always so quick to join in political threads and jump on anything that might be construed as offensive. Are you like many socialists who find the problem in everything but nothing in the way of an answer? I've never seen you provide what you think is the alternative to the 'racist/homophobic/thatcherite/just doesn't get it/zionist/tory bastards etc. solutions in various threads on here. So, what do you think should be done to right this particular wrong? Assuming you actually think a British citizen beheading an innocent journalist and posting it on world media for all to see is wrong.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 22, 2014 11:05:36 GMT
Racism doesn't need to come into it though does it Des? Funny how the west is outraged at Jihadism yet remains silent on Zionism, for example. Im curious. You're always so quick to join in political threads and jump on anything that might be construed as offensive. Are you like many socialists who find the problem in everything but nothing in the way of an answer? I've never seen you provide what you think is the alternative to the 'racist/homophobic/thatcherite/just doesn't get it/zionist/tory bastards etc. solutions in various threads on here. So, what do you think should be done to right this particular wrong? Assuming you actually think a British citizen beheading an innocent journalist and posting it on world media for all to see is wrong. What the hell are you on about?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 22, 2014 11:06:16 GMT
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 22, 2014 11:19:04 GMT
totally agree ,ive said this on numerous occasions
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 22, 2014 11:19:59 GMT
Well to quote John Gaunt 'Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim. ' He does have a point. Someone needs to tell the IRA.....
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Post by maninasuitcase on Aug 22, 2014 11:32:59 GMT
Well to quote John Gaunt 'Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim. ' He does have a point. Someone needs to tell the IRA..... the IRA only had issues with Britain. Muslim terrorists have issues with the world.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 22, 2014 11:35:23 GMT
That's ok then!
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 22, 2014 11:41:14 GMT
Well to quote John Gaunt 'Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim. ' He does have a point. Someone needs to tell the IRA..... And mossad...
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Post by britsabroad on Aug 22, 2014 11:45:18 GMT
Im curious. You're always so quick to join in political threads and jump on anything that might be construed as offensive. Are you like many socialists who find the problem in everything but nothing in the way of an answer? I've never seen you provide what you think is the alternative to the 'racist/homophobic/thatcherite/just doesn't get it/zionist/tory bastards etc. solutions in various threads on here. So, what do you think should be done to right this particular wrong? Assuming you actually think a British citizen beheading an innocent journalist and posting it on world media for all to see is wrong. What the hell are you on about? What do you think should be done to combat the threat of British citizens fighting abroad and then coming back home to carry on.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 22, 2014 11:47:44 GMT
Quite simply you're a massive let down. The Labour Party and it's supporters made similar errors of judgement at the start of the Second World War by preferring the appeasement option. Party politics and socialism should play no part in national security and the terrorist threat. I shouldn't be having to tell you this ...you over 12 after all. For these two points alone your opinions are laughable and pointless. Neville Chamberlain was a Conservative Party Leader mate & the only people appeasing Hitler were the Royal Family (who spent most of the war years in the South of France) and Far Right..Oswald Moseleys Fascist Party being a case in point
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 22, 2014 11:57:58 GMT
Someone needs to tell the IRA..... And mossad... Erm maybe but then you could say the same about the SAS etc which would be bullshit.
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