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Post by johnsmithsupper on Aug 21, 2014 7:09:30 GMT
Jerome was an instinctive player give him a one touch hit situation he would normally put it in a good effort or outstanding goal, it was when he had plenty of time there were problems.
I still like him as an impact sub and posters can laugh all they want but in the latter pulis years he was the only player who would get me off my seat.
Good luck to the lad
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 21, 2014 7:14:17 GMT
Jerome was an instinctive player give him a one touch hit situation he would normally put it in a good effort or outstanding goal, it was when he had plenty of time there were problems. I still like him as an impact sub and posters can laugh all they want but in the latter pulis years he was the only player who would get me off my seat. Good luck to the lad More of a goal threat starting or coming off the bench than Walters, pity he was not given more game time, not his fault that Pulis payed over the odds for his services.
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Aug 21, 2014 7:27:04 GMT
Jerome was an instinctive player give him a one touch hit situation he would normally put it in a good effort or outstanding goal, it was when he had plenty of time there were problems. I still like him as an impact sub and posters can laugh all they want but in the latter pulis years he was the only player who would get me off my seat. Good luck to the lad Pretty much sums him up. Fantastic athlete but not a good enough footballer at Premier League level. Hopefully does well at Norwich.
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Post by foster on Aug 21, 2014 8:30:24 GMT
Better than Walters and Sidibe that's for sure. Though looking at our options now he's probably the right one to go.
If we can bring in another striker and get rid of Walters that would be great.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 8:34:08 GMT
Better than Walters and Sidibe that's for sure. Though looking at our options now he's probably the right one to go. If we can bring in another striker and get rid of Walters that would be great. A better player yes, but far less effective than both....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 8:55:22 GMT
Jerome has proved he can't cut it at this level though. He was no where near as bad as some made out though was he? I'd argue he was worth a bit more than that. Was he really given a fair crack of the whip? he hasn't just played at Prem level for us though has he? in 177 Prem games for 3 different clubs, he's scored 30 goals. that's 1 in every 6 games!!! i'd say that's proof he can't cut it at this level he goes with my best wishes but just admitting that he's not Premiership standard isn't an unnecessary insult, simply a fact. he'll do well in the Championship i'm sure and hope he does but he's not someone i'll be crying in my coffee over because he's gone.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 21, 2014 8:57:47 GMT
Jerome was an instinctive player give him a one touch hit situation he would normally put it in a good effort or outstanding goal, it was when he had plenty of time there were problems. I still like him as an impact sub and posters can laugh all they want but in the latter pulis years he was the only player who would get me off my seat. Good luck to the lad Couldn't put it better myself. One of very few players during the Pulis years who could get the crowd excited.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 21, 2014 9:02:59 GMT
Better than Walters and Sidibe that's for sure. Though looking at our options now he's probably the right one to go. If we can bring in another striker and get rid of Walters that would be great. Totally agree. The issue is why would anyone want a striker/winger who is now 31, has no pace, no skill, the touch of a rapist, no ability to create opportunities and can't hit a barn door with a banjo. He does however have the ability to score 2 own goals, miss a penalty and kick a ball in his own face within 90 minutes. And above all he works aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrd.
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Post by foster on Aug 21, 2014 9:16:36 GMT
Better than Walters and Sidibe that's for sure. Though looking at our options now he's probably the right one to go. If we can bring in another striker and get rid of Walters that would be great. A better player yes, but far less effective than both.... Sidibe - 186 appearance / 26 goals = 0.14 goals per game Walters - 178 appearances / 39 goals = 0.21 goals per game (not considering his 2 own-goal brace) Jerome - 67 appearances / 12 goals = 0.18 goals per game Based on the above Walters seems the most effective. However, Walters did play every minute of every game under Pulis whereas Jerome was used sparingly as a sub. For example in the 2012/2013 season Jerome played 1108 minutes for Stoke whereas Walters played 3310, (and then 2240 minutes last season). If I use the 2012/2013 season as a gauge then the goals per minute ratios between the two of them are as follows: Walters - 3310 minutes / 8 goals, 1 assist = 1 goal every 414 minutes / 1 assist every 3310 minutes Jerome - 1108 minutes / 3 goals, 3 assists = 1 goal every 367 minutes / 1 assist every 367 minutes Therefore, it seems that Jerome is indeed the more effective in terms of attacking player duties of those players.
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Post by foster on Aug 21, 2014 9:18:53 GMT
Just to clarify that I'm not saying Jerome is good enough. I'm just saying that he's more effective than some of the other shit we've had (or have) up front.
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Post by Robo10 on Aug 21, 2014 9:24:02 GMT
But Foster your argument doesnt take into consideration that (whatever you think of SJW) he was stuck out on the right mid for large parts of it, and was used as a defensive one at times especially away from home.
Neither of them really has an eye for goal - both are capable pros making a good living from the game, but neither has the consistent ability to score 10-15 goals a season at this level
Cams specco against Southampton apart (which was an exceptional hit - but every Sunday league player has hit one of those I bet!) I was always more frustrated with his finishing that anything, especially given he has searing pace and created opportunities, but his general lack of ball control or ability to pick his head up with the ball (all head down and run) is the difference between him and say Sturridge, who brings others into play (sometimes!) - and thats where the difference lies. Its not a big one, but differentiates the top players from the nearly there players.
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Post by foster on Aug 21, 2014 9:29:23 GMT
But Foster your argument doesnt take into consideration that (whatever you think of SJW) he was stuck out on the right mid for large parts of it, and was used as a defensive one at times especially away from home. Neither of them really has an eye for goal - both are capable pros making a good living from the game, but neither has the consistent ability to score 10-15 goals a season at this level Cams specco against Southampton apart (which was an exceptional hit - but every Sunday league player has hit one of those I bet!) I was always more frustrated with his finishing that anything, especially given he has searing pace and created opportunities, but his general lack of ball control or ability to pick his head up with the ball (all head down and run) is the difference between him and say Sturridge, who brings others into play (sometimes!) - and thats where the difference lies. Its not a big one, but differentiates the top players from the nearly there players. So you want me to consider those 2 own goals he scored? (brilliant headers by the way - instinctive) I know I didn't consider that, but I can't take everything into consideration (fatigue, opponents, position, etc.). This is just a rough overview based on some readily available stats.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 21, 2014 9:45:52 GMT
Shit player. A rich mans Akinbiyi.
We overpaid for an awful footballer with a bad attitude.
So much for the fabled DNA tests.
Good riddance!
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Post by realstokebloke on Aug 21, 2014 9:56:31 GMT
I think Jerome will do very well in the championship and Norwich have a strong chance of going up. Pretty sure we got a 1m loan fee from Palace last year so in total we've received 2.5m back for him which isn't too bad on a 4m outlay, especially as he scored some important goals for us. That said I think he's a steal for 1.5m for Norwich. Look at the price half decent strikers go for in the championship now, yu can't buy league 1 goal scores for that. Great business for Norwich and acceptable for us. Wish Jerome all the best, he's someone whos always wanted to play regular football and isn't affraid to drop down a league for it. Fair play to the lad. Tend to agree with that.
Fulham have really messed things up in terms of Chamionship fees, yes, but even so, £1.5 is a great deal for Norwich and, considering the hard ball they played with us over Redmond's fee, we should have asked for quite a lot more.
Apart from thinking he was a lot better than he actually was before he arrived, I have no beef with CJ. He is what he is and scored some belters at crucial times too (see above).
He he goes with best wishes from me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 10:34:01 GMT
A better player yes, but far less effective than both.... Sidibe - 186 appearance / 26 goals = 0.14 goals per game Walters - 178 appearances / 39 goals = 0.21 goals per game (not considering his 2 own-goal brace) Jerome - 67 appearances / 12 goals = 0.18 goals per game Based on the above Walters seems the most effective. However, Walters did play every minute of every game under Pulis whereas Jerome was used sparingly as a sub. For example in the 2012/2013 season Jerome played 1108 minutes for Stoke whereas Walters played 3310, (and then 2240 minutes last season). If I use the 2012/2013 season as a gauge then the goals per minute ratios between the two of them are as follows: Walters - 3310 minutes / 8 goals, 1 assist = 1 goal every 414 minutes / 1 assist every 3310 minutes Jerome - 1108 minutes / 3 goals, 3 assists = 1 goal every 367 minutes / 1 assist every 367 minutes Therefore, it seems that Jerome is indeed the more effective in terms of attacking player duties of those players. Stats tell part if the story but not all. Sidibe's record is awaful on paper but anyone that thinks his partnership with Fuller wasn't aboslutely pivotal to our success didn't go to the games. Jerome scored a couple of corkers and played really well at QPR which was a massive game towards our survival, but overall he was largely anonymous....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 10:36:15 GMT
Shit player. A rich mans Akinbiyi. We overpaid for an awful footballer with a bad attitude. So much for the fabled DNA tests. Good riddance! Bad attitude? Really.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 10:44:46 GMT
Shit player. A rich mans Akinbiyi. We overpaid for an awful footballer with a bad attitude. So much for the fabled DNA tests. Good riddance! Bad attitude? Really. must admit i'm not the hugest fan of Jerome but this bit confused me as well. yes, he apparently had a spat with Tone but FFS who didn't? i don't think that necessarily constitutes a bad attitude
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Post by ruts66 on Aug 21, 2014 11:02:56 GMT
Good luck, CJ - will be good for him to feature regularly in a side pushing for promotion...
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Post by thevoid on Aug 21, 2014 11:41:39 GMT
Good luck to him, he's scored some game-changing goals for us and he'll do well for Norwich.
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Post by robstokie on Aug 21, 2014 15:38:53 GMT
Its a shame to see him go. His pace and power, especially coming off the bench, could terrify defenders. I reckon he could have been a key player here under Sparky if he was given half a chance. His game was just what we could have done with at times last season.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 21, 2014 16:16:17 GMT
Shit player. A rich mans Akinbiyi. We overpaid for an awful footballer with a bad attitude. So much for the fabled DNA tests. Good riddance! Bad attitude? Really. His attitude was appalling. I thought it was common knowledge that he was bad around the club and a ring leader in the dressing room fall outs that blighted TP's last year in charge. His stinking attitude was evidenced again at Congleton where he tried to leave before the game and ranted at Gordon Banks for blocking his car in. If either of you know any different share it, but I posted what I knew several times over 2 seasons ago. Based on my knowledge, its very much a case of good riddance where Jerome is concerned.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 16:26:46 GMT
From the moment Mark Hughes came through the door it was obvious that he didn't rate him and didn't want him around. Then there's this pre-season where he was seemingly ostracised. There's more to Jerome than meets the eye i think. Either way, he's going to get another Dickie and there's no DRS!
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 21, 2014 16:45:33 GMT
From the moment Mark Hughes came through the door it was obvious that he didn't rate him and didn't want him around. Then there's this pre-season where he was seemingly ostracised. There's more to Jerome than meets the eye i think. Either way, he's going to get another Dickie and there's no DRS! ???
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Post by lastoftheldk on Aug 21, 2014 16:56:02 GMT
Inconsistent and Hughes obviously doesn't want him around so it seems like a good deal to me
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Post by march4 on Aug 21, 2014 17:00:23 GMT
A better player yes, but far less effective than both.... Sidibe - 186 appearance / 26 goals = 0.14 goals per game Walters - 178 appearances / 39 goals = 0.21 goals per game (not considering his 2 own-goal brace) Jerome - 67 appearances / 12 goals = 0.18 goals per game Based on the above Walters seems the most effective. However, Walters did play every minute of every game under Pulis whereas Jerome was used sparingly as a sub. For example in the 2012/2013 season Jerome played 1108 minutes for Stoke whereas Walters played 3310, (and then 2240 minutes last season). If I use the 2012/2013 season as a gauge then the goals per minute ratios between the two of them are as follows: Walters - 3310 minutes / 8 goals, 1 assist = 1 goal every 414 minutes / 1 assist every 3310 minutes Jerome - 1108 minutes / 3 goals, 3 assists = 1 goal every 367 minutes / 1 assist every 367 minutes Therefore, it seems that Jerome is indeed the more effective in terms of attacking player duties of those players. Sidibe - the fulcrum around which we built our entire team as we rampaged through the Championship and established ourselves as a Prem club. Walters - the driving force who smashed into opposition defenders and made them dread playing against us as we reached our first FA Cup Final via a semi-final where he was outstanding. Jerome - erm absolutely nothing, apart from his role in the comedy sending off of that guy in the Europa thingy.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 21, 2014 17:43:44 GMT
To say Jerome is better than Walters is breathtakingly stupid. And I think Walters is bang average.
Walters has done 100 times more for this club.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 21, 2014 18:13:18 GMT
If I had to pick one up front or on the wing it'd be Jerome. His pace is a bigger threat than the 'ard work of Walters. And his inclusion at the back end of TP's final season was a massive part in us staying up. Neither probably good enough for the Premier League.
It's a good move all round though.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 21, 2014 18:21:03 GMT
To say Jerome is better than Walters is breathtakingly stupid. And I think Walters is bang average. Walters has done 100 times more for this club. I like Jon but he was given far more chances. Jerome made a decent contribution when he played and should've played more, especially in his first season when we had the pace-free Walters/Crouch combo up front and finished lowest scorers in all four divisions.
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Post by cousindupree on Aug 22, 2014 15:41:32 GMT
TBH his level has always been Championship no surprise thats where he's gone
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 22, 2014 16:07:10 GMT
Better than Walters and Sidibe that's for sure. Though looking at our options now he's probably the right one to go. If we can bring in another striker and get rid of Walters that would be great. Bollocks, Sidders was a much better and more intelligent player than Jerome! I really think Ric loved playing alongside him!
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