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Post by lastoftheldk on Sept 18, 2014 23:01:36 GMT
TP has his reasons, one is, that Wilson has said in newspaper interviews that they like the new style, training etc.
No TP blamed Wilson for the goal and eloquently explained why he blamed him for the goal on national television because Wilson actually was, erm .... at fault for the goal.
Do you really think that Tony Pulis would make a fool of himself on TV by trying to stich up a player by suggesting that the player made a mistake he didn't make, purely out of some act of vegence?
Didn't see the programme, but TP should have explained why the ball should never have been allowed to got there ,
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Sept 19, 2014 5:56:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2014 5:56:41 GMT
Who gives a fuck what he thinks? Shall we poll other random managers? Mark Hughes is manager and sees it fit to retain Wilson. The fact Bardsley gave them the freedom of the city is completely ignored. If Wilson was as shit as some make out, the brilliant Huth would walk in. Scoring goals is the problem. Scoring goals is a problem. Giving stupid goals away every week is just as big a problem. I don't give credence to everything TP says but I think it's fair to say his analysis of defending is worth listening to. I'd like to know why it isn't and what he's got wrong here exactly. Bardsley should have done more to stop the cross. Moses (I think?) or whoever was playing on the right at the time should've tracked Konchesky. Wilson should have known where Ulloa was. I don't dislike Wilson but he does switch off and it is costing us at the moment. **head in sand**
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 19, 2014 7:00:06 GMT
Scoring goals is a problem. Giving stupid goals away every week is just as big a problem. I don't give credence to everything TP says but I think it's fair to say his analysis of defending is worth listening to. I'd like to know why it isn't and what he's got wrong here exactly. Bardsley should have done more to stop the cross. Moses (I think?) or whoever was playing on the right at the time should've tracked Konchesky. Wilson should have known where Ulloa was. I don't dislike Wilson but he does switch off and it is costing us at the moment. **head in sand** Assuming you're not just trolling now, which bit is my head in the sand over?
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Sept 19, 2014 7:17:20 GMT
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Post by timbo1988 on Sept 19, 2014 7:17:20 GMT
Who gives a fuck what he thinks? Shall we poll other random managers? Mark Hughes is manager and sees it fit to retain Wilson. The fact Bardsley gave them the freedom of the city is completely ignored. If Wilson was as shit as some make out, the brilliant Huth would walk in. Scoring goals is the problem. Scoring goals is a problem. Giving stupid goals away every week is just as big a problem. I don't give credence to everything TP says but I think it's fair to say his analysis of defending is worth listening to. I'd like to know why it isn't and what he's got wrong here exactly. Bardsley should have done more to stop the cross. Moses (I think?) or whoever was playing on the right at the time should've tracked Konchesky. Wilson should have known where Ulloa was. I don't dislike Wilson but he does switch off and it is costing us at the moment. This is spot on! Wilson was ball watching as he was against Hull and he misses the 50:50 against Weimann vs Villa! Others have been at fault in the build up to goals eg Begovic v Hull! Not scoring is a big problem but so is conceding, if we don't concede the first goal breaking teams down is easier! It's no either or the best teams don't concede silly goals!
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Post by lordb on Sept 19, 2014 7:34:18 GMT
My agenda is that I want Stoke to win
re Bardsley - he's not bad not great will have good & bad games Is Cameron a better option? I think the answer to that is sometimes he will & sometimes he won't
I don't understand why so many people seem fixated with what 'the best side' is. There is no 'best side' that is going to be the right team week in week out. In fact I think it's going to be quite rare for the same side to be the best team from one game to the next never mind over a course of a season or a lengthy run.
I don't think there is a single player in the squad (even WP) who hasn't got something to offer.
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Sept 19, 2014 7:42:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2014 7:42:19 GMT
Tony Pulis' opinion is one thing.
Mark Hughes', having just delivered our most successful season in over 40 years, is another.
I'm prepared to side with the latter.
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Post by superstokiejon on Sept 19, 2014 8:28:04 GMT
I think after 38 games we'll all be saying what a good signing Bardsley has been. He's more composed than Geoff (who I still like and definitely has a place here), but Bardsley hasn't done a lot wrong for me in the four games.
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Sept 19, 2014 8:35:34 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 19, 2014 8:35:34 GMT
Tony Pulis' opinion is one thing. Mark Hughes', having just delivered our most successful season in over 40 years, is another. I'm prepared to side with the latter. You are aware Hughes isn't perfect? He's made some awful decisions tactically in our first 2 home games this season and still (as he's openly admitted) has no idea what his best combination is yet. That said re our defending for me its the least of our worries right now given our attacking woes.
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Post by stokeramblers on Sept 19, 2014 8:38:32 GMT
Tony Pulis' opinion is one thing. Mark Hughes', having just delivered our most successful season in over 40 years, is another. I'm prepared to side with the latter. You are aware Hughes isn't perfect? He's made some awful decisions tactically in our first 2 home games this season and still (as he's openly admitted) has no idea what his best combination is yet. That said re our defending for me its the least of our worries right now given our attacking woes. Ahh the worm has turned... I'm seeing Tuncay-Pulis/Bojan-Hughes parallels right here... It's all downhill from here...
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Sept 19, 2014 8:43:10 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 19, 2014 8:43:10 GMT
You are aware Hughes isn't perfect? He's made some awful decisions tactically in our first 2 home games this season and still (as he's openly admitted) has no idea what his best combination is yet. That said re our defending for me its the least of our worries right now given our attacking woes. Ahh the worm has turned... I'm seeing Tuncay-Pulis/Bojan-Hughes parallels right here... It's all downhill from here... Not at all. If you read my first post on page 1 you would see Bojan isn't even in my preferred line up. That said if he isn't playing one of Arnie/Adam preferably both need to be on the pitch to compensate for our lack of creativity elsewhere. I've been disappointed thus far with Bojan but do think he'll improve playing with 2 out an out wingers. Messi would struggle to make things happen when playing behind Crouch and Walters.
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Post by stokeramblers on Sept 19, 2014 8:50:24 GMT
Ahh the worm has turned... I'm seeing Tuncay-Pulis/Bojan-Hughes parallels right here... It's all downhill from here... Not at all. If you read my first post on page 1 you would see Bojan isn't even in my preferred line up. That said if he isn't playing one of Arnie/Adam preferably both need to be on the pitch to compensate for our lack of creativity elsewhere. I've been disappointed thus far with Bojan but do think he'll improve playing with 2 out an out wingers. Messi would struggle to make things happen when playing behind Crouch and Walters. It's the Walters thing actually isn't it...definitely the Walters thing.. It's been two games, and there's been a noticeable shift in how teams approach games against us and how we're trying to evolve our play too...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2014 8:53:35 GMT
Tony Pulis' opinion is one thing. Mark Hughes', having just delivered our most successful season in over 40 years, is another. I'm prepared to side with the latter. You are aware Hughes isn't perfect? And Pulis is? His opinion counts for more?
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Sept 19, 2014 8:55:51 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 19, 2014 8:55:51 GMT
You are aware Hughes isn't perfect? And Pulis is? His opinion counts for more? They've both got their flaws.
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Sept 19, 2014 9:05:41 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 19, 2014 9:05:41 GMT
Not at all. If you read my first post on page 1 you would see Bojan isn't even in my preferred line up. That said if he isn't playing one of Arnie/Adam preferably both need to be on the pitch to compensate for our lack of creativity elsewhere. I've been disappointed thus far with Bojan but do think he'll improve playing with 2 out an out wingers. Messi would struggle to make things happen when playing behind Crouch and Walters. It's the Walters thing actually isn't it...definitely the Walters thing.. It's been two games, and there's been a noticeable shift in how teams approach games against us and how we're trying to evolve our play too... Really? I thought our performance on Saturday was a backwards step to what we were playing at the back end of last season. We wouldn't have scored if it went on for another half hour as can be said against Villa. It's no coincidence that our best performances under Pulis and Hughes have been with pace out wide. Why these managers opt to shoot themselves in the foot by not learning from the past is beyond me. We've got the players now he just needs to know how to use them. It usually took Pulis till March to work out his best team, I like to think Hughes can utilise his best team much sooner. Thankfully Walters is out for Saturday so we've got a major chance of causing QPR problems so Hughes will almost certainly (perhaps unintentionally) end up with a far better attacking threat whether that be Assaidi or Arnie.
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Sept 19, 2014 9:10:08 GMT
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Post by wearepremierleague on Sept 19, 2014 9:10:08 GMT
I think after 38 games we'll all be saying what a good signing Bardsley has been. He's more composed than Geoff (who I still like and definitely has a place here), but Bardsley hasn't done a lot wrong for me in the four games. More composed than Cameron. His first touch either takes him out of play or leads to a 50-50 slide tackle. Geoff is 100x better than Bardsley with the ball.
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Post by MrMagic on Sept 19, 2014 9:18:07 GMT
I think after 38 games we'll all be saying what a good signing Bardsley has been. He's more composed than Geoff (who I still like and definitely has a place here), but Bardsley hasn't done a lot wrong for me in the four games. More composed than Cameron. His first touch either takes him out of play or leads to a 50-50 slide tackle. Geoff is 100x better than Bardsley with the ball. I like Geoff, but he does lose shape very easily, which caused us problems in a number of games last season, and although he looks decent on the ball he struggles to cross his fingers. Better off in the middle, but we have far better options there. Regardless of a couple of errors, I've liked Bardsley on the whole so far.
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