Bardsley

[metalhead]

I'm not a wrist slasher, it was a bad performance, the first game of the season though. Plenty of time.

However this incredible Roberto Carlos-esque full back many on here described to me, was he on holiday today?

His contribution was made up of a couple of lunging tackles, poor control and looking ineffective when forward.

Why you've all written off Cameron so soon is beyond me.... Would have him back in an instance after that.

[Kjones9]

Is it because he's not Cameron though?

[hatchett]

I'm concerned with our defence to be honest don't think it has been fully addressed.

[Deleted]

I agree. Bardsley was caught out so often, and his control from N'Zonzi cross field ball into the box (which was unreal) summed it up really. Not ready to give up on Geoff.

[arniepieinthesky]

He was really poor today, I wouldn't expect that to be the case every week, first touch was gash, generally poor service into the box, as I say, I won't right him off one one game - and the right hand side did seem un guarded at times

[StokieAsh13]

No offence to Bards hes good going forward but so is Cameron. Both shit defensively.

[metalhead]

Aug 16, 2014 16:22:28 GMT @slpjase said:

I agree. Bardsley was caught out so often, and his control from N'Zonzi cross field ball into the box (which was unreal) summed it up really. Not ready to give up on Geoff.

I counted three relatively simple balls that he failed to control in the first half alone.

The NZonzi pass was excellent.

I expected to see an improvement. I didn't. Just my opinion.

[stokefaninde]

Im fully on the Cameron side of this debate and wish he was playing but I didnt feel Bardsley was horrible. took a nice chance but not as dangerous as Geoff on the ball in my opinion.

[metalhead]

Aug 16, 2014 16:22:42 GMT arniepieinthesky said:

He was really poor today, I wouldn't expect that to be the case every week, first touch was gash, generally poor service into the box, as I say, I won't right him off one one game - and the right hand side did seem un guarded at times

No need to write him off, but after some of the stick Cameron took near the end of last season, I'm always going bring it up.

[metalhead]

Aug 16, 2014 16:25:34 GMT stokefaninde said:

Im fully on the Cameron side of this debate and wish he was playing but I didnt feel Bardsley was horrible. took a nice chance but not as dangerous as Geoff on the ball in my opinion.

I never said he was horrible. Just very poor.

[stokefaninde]

His first touch let him down for sure

[claudinho]

Hate to say "I told you so," but...I told you so.

[claudinho]

tbf, Geoff should want away. Undeserving of the stick he took here and elsewhere.

[metalhead]

Aug 16, 2014 16:32:01 GMT claudinho said:

Hate to say "I told you so," but...I told you so.

Actually, I love being right. I've said all along i believe Cameron is better than Bardsley. pffft Sunderland didn't want him. Says it all.

[wearepremierleague]

Cameron > Bardsley In every way there is

[Olgrligm]

I know, let's rush in to kick our new signing on his debut. That'll teach him to not be Geoff Cameron.

[Kjones9]

Aug 16, 2014 16:34:00 GMT metalhead said:

Aug 16, 2014 16:32:01 GMT claudinho said:

Hate to say "I told you so," but...I told you so.

Actually, I love being right. I've said all along i believe Cameron is better than Bardsley. pffft Sunderland didn't want him. Says it all.

So when/if Cameron comes back and possibly has 1 poor game you'll be on to announce that you were wrong?

[YounginStoke]

Cameron is 10x the player Bardsley is, yes Cameron isn't the best defensively but Bardsley is worse, his positioning is a disgrace, Cameron is much better on the ball, better defensively (which surprised me) and provides a bigger threat going forward

[stokefaninde]

Aug 16, 2014 16:34:00 GMT metalhead said:

Aug 16, 2014 16:32:01 GMT claudinho said:

Hate to say "I told you so," but...I told you so.

Actually, I love being right. I've said all along i believe Cameron is better than Bardsley. pffft Sunderland didn't want him. Says it all.

I never understood why Bardsley was seen an upgrade over Cameron. I dont want to give Bardsley stick either but Geoff seems to fit better in this setup.

[metalhead]

Aug 16, 2014 16:36:50 GMT Kjones9 said:

Aug 16, 2014 16:34:00 GMT metalhead said:

Actually, I love being right. I've said all along i believe Cameron is better than Bardsley. pffft Sunderland didn't want him. Says it all.

So when/if Cameron comes back and possibly has 1 poor game you'll be on to announce that you were wrong?

Oh absolutely. Next time Cameron has a performance that's as BAD as that one, I shall do. I can't remember a game where Cameron has performed as poorly as Bardsley did today. He's had a few bad ones, but Bardsley today was absolutely dreadful. Reminded me of Danny Collins.

So yep, first time Geoff has a performance as poor as that, I'll happily come out and say I'm wrong, okay poppet?

[Deleted]

I thought he looked very nervous. Defensively he was all over the show and you'd judge Cameron as head and shoulders above him from that showing.

Let's see how he settles before we chuck him in the bin.

[Kjones9]

Aug 16, 2014 16:46:20 GMT metalhead said:

Aug 16, 2014 16:36:50 GMT Kjones9 said:

So when/if Cameron comes back and possibly has 1 poor game you'll be on to announce that you were wrong?

Oh absolutely. Next time Cameron has a performance that's as BAD as that one, I shall do. I can't remember a game where Cameron has performed as poorly as Bardsley did today. He's had a few bad ones, but Bardsley today was absolutely dreadful. Reminded me of Danny Collins.

So yep, first time Geoff has a performance as poor as that, I'll happily come out and say I'm wrong, okay poppet?

I think you may be over reacting because of the position you've backed yourself into.


Sad really.

[iglugluk]

at least he got a decent shot on goal............I can definitely give him that.

[stokemanusa]

Aug 16, 2014 16:50:52 GMT iglugluk said:

at least he got a decent shot on goal............I can definitely give him that.

Yes he does! Its just dribbling the ball after a one - two... lol he deserves time but he has me worried to say it bluntly.

[metalhead]

Aug 16, 2014 16:49:28 GMT Kjones9 said:

Aug 16, 2014 16:46:20 GMT metalhead said:

Oh absolutely. Next time Cameron has a performance that's as BAD as that one, I shall do. I can't remember a game where Cameron has performed as poorly as Bardsley did today. He's had a few bad ones, but Bardsley today was absolutely dreadful. Reminded me of Danny Collins.

So yep, first time Geoff has a performance as poor as that, I'll happily come out and say I'm wrong, okay poppet?

I think you may be over reacting because of the position you've backed yourself into.


Sad really.

In a few months time, the positions will be reversed. It'll be you defending Bardlsey after a series of shit performances, and me saying how shit he is, as opposed to me defending Cameron and you telling me how shit he is.

Thoughts?

[Kjones9]

Aug 16, 2014 17:02:05 GMT metalhead said:

Aug 16, 2014 16:49:28 GMT Kjones9 said:

I think you may be over reacting because of the position you've backed yourself into.


Sad really.

In a few months time, the positions will be reversed. It'll be you defending Bardlsey after a series of shit performances, and me saying how shit he is, as opposed to me defending Cameron and you telling me how shit he is.

Thoughts?

I won't, I like Geoff, I've stuck up for him numerous times. But I'm not getting hysterical about Bardsley's performance either.

[stokiejoe]

I smell an agenda on several threads with the same theme.

[bayernoatcake]

Thought he was one of our better players tbh and that's from someone who thinks he's shit.

[march4]

Bardsley was so superior to anything Cameron has done (or is ever likely to do) it was just laughable.

I suspect Cameron will be next out of the door.

[stokefaninde]

Aug 16, 2014 17:28:41 GMT march4 said:

Bardsley was so superior to anything Cameron has done (or is ever likely to do) it was just laughable.

I suspect Cameron will be next out of the door.

What did you see to make you think he is superior?