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Post by Bombus on Aug 16, 2014 17:36:25 GMT
I'd probably pick Bardsley over Cameron 8/10 times.
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Aug 16, 2014 17:37:45 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 16, 2014 17:37:45 GMT
Bardsley was so superior to anything Cameron has done (or is ever likely to do) it was just laughable. I suspect Cameron will be next out of the door. Don't agree with that at all All Bardsley did was continually miscontrol the ball.
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Aug 16, 2014 17:38:39 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Aug 16, 2014 17:38:39 GMT
Bardsley was so superior to anything Cameron has done (or is ever likely to do) it was just laughable. I suspect Cameron will be next out of the door. Lol!
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 16, 2014 17:43:53 GMT
He was pretty much what I expected based on the impression I had of him at Sunderland.
Committed, no-nonsense, head down runner in straight lines, lacks a bit of quality, got a good strike on him.
Not sure he's any better than Cameron.
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Aug 16, 2014 17:44:59 GMT
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Post by stokefaninde on Aug 16, 2014 17:44:59 GMT
Bardsley has a suprior shot.
Cameron is superior in linking up play, tackling, getting forward, picking out passes and moving without the ball.
Neither are great at positioning and crossing.
Its a no brainer for me.
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Post by borat on Aug 16, 2014 17:45:38 GMT
I thought he was one of the better players out of a bad bunch. I'd prefer Cameron though but that's because I'm a big fan of Geoff.
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Aug 16, 2014 17:45:44 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 16, 2014 17:45:44 GMT
I've also thought Cameron was good.
For me, he comes back into the side.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 16, 2014 17:47:18 GMT
He was pretty much what I expected based on the impression I had of him at Sunderland. Committed, no-nonsense, head down runner in straight lines, lacks a bit of quality, got a good strike on him. Not sure he's any better than Cameron. I'd go with, both as bad as each other! But I thought he was solid today. Better than I expected tbh.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 16, 2014 17:54:52 GMT
Bardsley has a suprior shot. Cameron is superior in linking up play, tackling, getting forward, picking out passes and moving without the ball. Neither are great at positioning and crossing. Its a no brainer for me. And me. We needed a better right back to be signed in the summer. Both are mediocre at absolute best.
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Post by hatchett on Aug 16, 2014 17:56:49 GMT
Not convinced Bardsley is the answer for RB. Defensively he's bit strong enough.
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 16, 2014 18:00:16 GMT
Bardsley was very average, certainly no better than Cameron. He was not an obvious weak link as many of our players were well below the standard required today. Arnie, Bojan, Zonz and Irleand were all pretty poor.
If we are all honest none of us really thought he was any better than Cameron when we bought him( apart from march). If he was a top player he would have got into a poor Sunderland side on a much more regular basis.
We currently have 4 right backs ( Hughes must see Cameron´s best position as RB based on last season´s selections). Marc Wilson can also cover RB as can, according to a previous manager Robert Huth. It must then be a priority to offload at least one RB pretty soon.
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Aug 16, 2014 18:01:22 GMT
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 16, 2014 18:01:22 GMT
Bardsley has a suprior shot. Cameron is superior in linking up play, tackling, getting forward, picking out passes and moving without the ball. Neither are great at positioning and crossing. Its a no brainer for me. And me. We needed a better right back to be signed in the summer. Both are mediocre at absolute best. I thought Bardsley was our saviour RB as hes a "Natural" as you put it. I thought he was wilko at times, its early sure but why a natural needs to be already changed come next season? Surely billed him up... ohh dear mate lol You must admit the only thing he was solid at today was marking, his positioning and that he was getting up and down the pitch ohh and that power shot, link play ohh dear he looked poor today.
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Aug 16, 2014 18:03:33 GMT
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 16, 2014 18:03:33 GMT
Bardsley was very average, certainly no better than Cameron. He was not an obvious weak link as many of our players were well below the standard required today. Arnie, Bojan, Zonz and Irleand were all pretty poor. If we are all honest none of us really thought he was any better than Cameron when we bought him( apart from march). If he was a top player he would have got into a poor Sunderland side on a much more regular basis. We currently have 4 right backs ( Hughes must see Cameron´s best position as RB based on last season´s selections). Marc Wilson can also cover RB as can, according to a previous manager Robert Huth. It must then be a priority to offload at least one RB pretty soon. Bang on.
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Post by Godo on Aug 16, 2014 18:04:41 GMT
Cameron was poor 2nd half of last season, Wilko is not Premier standard and I've NEVER rated Bardsley. Not ideal but I think Wilson may be best option from what we have available which would allow Huth to return and DOMINATE. Oddly enough best RB performance I have seen from someone in current squad was Whelan........but then can never judge on a one off.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 16, 2014 18:09:12 GMT
And me. We needed a better right back to be signed in the summer. Both are mediocre at absolute best. I thought Bardsley was our saviour RB as hes a "Natural" as you put it. I thought he was wilko at times, its early sure but why a natural needs to be already changed come next season? Surely billed him up... ohh dear mate lol You must admit the only thing he was solid at today was marking, his positioning and that he was getting up and down the pitch ohh and that power shot, link play ohh dear he looked poor today. What are you banging on about? I've been against signing Bardsley from the off because I think he's shit. Strange man.
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Post by stokesaint1 on Aug 16, 2014 18:10:47 GMT
Thought Bardsley was poor today, positionally inept, caught in possession and very poor control. That said, our other two debutants, Bojan and Diouf, were litte better and Arnie had an absolute mare, back to his early last season couldn't care less worst. Disappointing performance all round and I think Hughes will have a lot to think about after that, particularly about what is his best eleven, because on paper that was it, in reality it certainly was not.
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Aug 16, 2014 18:12:59 GMT
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Post by sportsman on Aug 16, 2014 18:12:59 GMT
I like bardsley. It was pieters for me who was poor. Him and arnie down the left got nowhere today.
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Post by mailman44 on Aug 16, 2014 18:18:14 GMT
Actually, I love being right. I've said all along i believe Cameron is better than Bardsley. pffft Sunderland didn't want him. Says it all. I never understood why Bardsley was seen an upgrade over Cameron. I dont want to give Bardsley stick either but Geoff seems to fit better in this setup. Simple answer mate. Bardsley is English (born and bred) and used to play for ManUre. Cameron is American so therefore he sucks. And don't tell me Bardsley plays for Scotland (that Glasgow Grandfather card is sank) because that is even more of an inducement of how wank he is. I saw enough with Dutch Stokie in Reit im Winkl when 1860's Bobby Wood had him in his pocket all afternoon. Bardsley is just not athletic enough.
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Aug 16, 2014 18:21:45 GMT
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 16, 2014 18:21:45 GMT
I like bardsley. It was pieters for me who was poor. Him and arnie down the left got nowhere today. He was infact poor both were shockingly slow and not good at going forward today. Although both had shite crosses atleast pieters can pass and dribble in a one - two. Bardsley had a great shot thats all.
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Post by mailman44 on Aug 16, 2014 18:24:03 GMT
Les needs to get Muniesa and Cameron in at fullback next match.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 16, 2014 18:30:26 GMT
I never understood why Bardsley was seen an upgrade over Cameron. I dont want to give Bardsley stick either but Geoff seems to fit better in this setup. Simple answer mate. Bardsley is English (born and bred) and used to play for ManUre. Cameron is American so therefore he sucks. And don't tell me Bardsley plays for Scotland (that Glasgow Grandfather card is sank) because that is even more of an inducement of how wank he is. I saw enough with Dutch Stokie in Reit im Winkl when 1860's Bobby Wood had him in his pocket all afternoon. Bardsley is just not athletic enough. He's a Jock!
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Post by mailman44 on Aug 16, 2014 18:32:18 GMT
Simple answer mate. Bardsley is English (born and bred) and used to play for ManUre. Cameron is American so therefore he sucks. And don't tell me Bardsley plays for Scotland (that Glasgow Grandfather card is sank) because that is even more of an inducement of how wank he is. I saw enough with Dutch Stokie in Reit im Winkl when 1860's Bobby Wood had him in his pocket all afternoon. Bardsley is just not athletic enough. He's a Jock! Pseudo jock. Not the real deal.
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Aug 16, 2014 18:33:37 GMT
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 16, 2014 18:33:37 GMT
Les needs to get Muniesa and Cameron in at fullback next match. I hope he does because that pass pass pass at the back did my head in, (without a moving midfield) Bardsley's attempt at sticking his head down and charging to the corner flag is great if you can cross or cut inside. But he was poor today even worse than Geoff. It's a worry for me at this point if it persists than he has to swap in those two for phil and eric. Just Sad the Bardsley " Natural" BS we were "hyped" about by many is utterly worrysome at this point. I'll give him more time but christ I thought him of all our débutant players would of excelled at home. Boy was I disappointed but kinda always said his dribbling and attacking skill in a hughes barca style swinging gate offense would be a question. Now we know.
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Post by stokeramblers on Aug 16, 2014 18:35:43 GMT
Same language but I don't understand it
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 16, 2014 18:39:17 GMT
Pseudo jock. Not the real deal. He plays like a Jock. But he was fine today I thought. Pieters a bigger issue going from the one game.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 16, 2014 18:46:37 GMT
The best full back on the pitch today was Hutton, thought he looked very good.
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Post by mailman44 on Aug 16, 2014 18:48:53 GMT
The best full back on the pitch today was Hutton, thought he looked very good. Now we can all agree he/Hutton is a Jock!
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Post by mrpickles on Aug 16, 2014 18:59:26 GMT
Jesus fucking christ, some people couldn't wait to get involved in this thread could they? Bardsley wasn't particularly good today, and I'm not at all convinced he'll be the long term answer to the position, but lets not pretend that Geoff Cameron is a fucking right back, never mind a decent one.
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 16, 2014 20:47:08 GMT
Jesus fucking christ, some people couldn't wait to get involved in this thread could they? Bardsley wasn't particularly good today, and I'm not at all convinced he'll be the long term answer to the position, but lets not pretend that Geoff Cameron is a fucking right back, never mind a decent one. I must have dreamt him playing virtually every game at RB in our most successful league team in about 40 years.
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Post by mrpickles on Aug 16, 2014 20:50:16 GMT
Jesus fucking christ, some people couldn't wait to get involved in this thread could they? Bardsley wasn't particularly good today, and I'm not at all convinced he'll be the long term answer to the position, but lets not pretend that Geoff Cameron is a fucking right back, never mind a decent one. I must have dreamt him playing virtually every game at RB in our most successful league team in about 40 years. Nah you didn't mate. I think you may have dreamt him playing well there though I really like the guy, and wouldn't mind seeing have a go in midfield at some point, but he just isn't a full back.
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