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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 17, 2014 22:20:40 GMT
You don't change half the team on the back of one poor performance in your first game of the bastard season. Literally the only change I'd make for next weekend is Moses or PO on the right. Agree. Who would you drop Rob? Was thinking Ireland enabling Bojan to play in a more central role with Moses on the right. Would be a shame to see either of the new guys left out and despite the criticism I thought Arnie was our main threat going forward. I'd drop Bojan Nick, and give Ireland another 2-3 games to redeem himself. If he doesn't buck up I'd stick Bojan there.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Aug 17, 2014 22:28:30 GMT
I don't think we should make wholesale changes, but yesterday we started with only one player who scored more than two premier league goals last season, and that was Arnie who as good as I think he is at everything else, he's not too good at finishing.
I'd like to see one of our better goal scorers from last season, either crouch or odemwingie, in the starting line up against hull. I believe the new players will settle in eventually, but against villa the starters sure didn't look like they'd score if they had all afternoon.
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Post by mar1386 on Aug 18, 2014 0:43:28 GMT
Hughes would have learned a lot from that game. I think most people on here were happy with the starting eleven at 3.00pm yesterday. Hughes will work with the players throughout the week and I don't think the starting 11 will be too different but we'll see a different performance next week. I wasn't happy with the starting 11 - Huth is a much better player than Wilson, apart from his defending he also carries a goal threat. Odemwingie should have been one of the first names on the teamsheet after his great contribution last season and impressive displays at the World Cup. Adam and Crouch should have started, with the new lads introduced gradually in the opening games, but this was sadly never going to happen.
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 18, 2014 2:34:45 GMT
I'm guessing you are under the age of 21 No, your wrong. Im sorry but we seemed to finish the end of last season really well, to many changes were made yesterday. Why change a winning side, bar maybe bringing one in, not changing the whole shape and squad. Surely it should be there places to lose? The proposed starting XI in your OP contains exactly the same number of new players as the actual team did on Saturday.
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Post by stokeramblers on Aug 18, 2014 6:20:13 GMT
And what happens if this overhauled team loses at Hull..? Overhaul it again for the next game..?
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 18, 2014 7:15:57 GMT
And what happens if this overhauled team loses at Hull..? Overhaul it again for the next game..? If we lose next week, we could be looking at a terrible start to the season before the international break.
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Aug 18, 2014 7:56:27 GMT
The midfield was one of our strongest areas during our good run of form last season. Are we really desperate to start dicking about with it on the basis of one - ONE - poor showing? It's not the personel that were the problem in my view - it was their inability to think differently and create some space when Villa pressed. Ireland needed a rocket up his arse, Nzonzi was ok but too deep and unwilling to run with the ball (he did it a couple of time and both times their defence shat a brick) and Whelan was made to look poor as 90% of the passes he received from our back line he was under pressure immediately. Plenty of work for the training ground IMO, not a requirement to chop and change this early on.
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Post by jwhpotter on Aug 18, 2014 8:06:01 GMT
I'd go Bego Bardsley Shawcross Wilson Pieters Whelan Nzonzi Odemwingie Bojan Arnie Diouf or Crouch
Only a couple of changes but desperate for pace out wide
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 8:26:01 GMT
Bego
Bardsley Shawcross Muniesa Pieters Whelan N'Zonzi Odemwingie Bojan Arnie Crouch
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Post by jarhead on Aug 18, 2014 8:28:51 GMT
Bego Bardsley Shawcross Huth Pieters Whelan N'zonzi Moses Bojan Arnautovic Diouf Ireland didn't do enough for me today to cement himself into that central attacking role. Diouf can't be blamed for not doing much against Villa. Spot on.
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Aug 18, 2014 8:34:18 GMT
Begovic
Bardsley . Shawcross . Huth/Wilson . Pieters
Muniesa . N'Zonzi
Odemwingie . Bojan . Arnautovic
Diouf
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Post by mattythestokie on Aug 18, 2014 8:38:09 GMT
Sidwell for Whelan, Odemwingie for Ireland.
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Post by juiceandbits on Aug 18, 2014 8:44:44 GMT
Yeah, making lots of changes can do lots of damage and make a problem worse. So I'd go:
Bego
Bardsley, Shawcross, Huth, Pieters
N'Zonzi, Whelan
Odem, Ireland, Arnie
Diouf
That said, I think Hughes will stick with Wilson also.
I'd bench Bojan because at this stage I think easing him into games will help him more.
Except for Diouf, Muniesa and Sorenson, this is the team that beat West Brom on the final game of last season. There's not a lot wrong.
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Post by unknown182 on Aug 18, 2014 8:48:04 GMT
I'd drop Bojan and bring him on for Diouf later on when the game is stretched. I'd bring in Odemwingie on the right and Sidwell for Whelan.
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Post by Stoke70 on Aug 18, 2014 9:07:34 GMT
Bego Cameron, Shawcross, Huth, Pieters N'Zonzi, Adam Moses, Bojan, Arnie Odem
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Post by Stoke70 on Aug 18, 2014 9:07:49 GMT
Bego Cameron, Shawcross, Huth, Pieters N'Zonzi, Adam Moses, Bojan, Arnie Odem
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Post by LGH87 on Aug 18, 2014 9:11:37 GMT
Bego Bardsley Shawcross Huth Pieters N'Zonzi Sidwell Moses Bojan Arnie Odemwingie
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 9:57:49 GMT
Bego Bardsley Shawcross Huth Pieters Whelan N'zonzi Moses Bojan Arnautovic Diouf Ireland didn't do enough for me today to cement himself into that central attacking role. Diouf can't be blamed for not doing much against Villa. I'll go with that team
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Post by lordb on Aug 18, 2014 12:11:50 GMT
I've still got the hump.
I would drop the lot
grrr
good job I'm not the manager!
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Post by datguy on Aug 18, 2014 19:03:59 GMT
IMO
Begovic
Cameron; Shawcross; Huth; Pieters,
N'Zonzi; Whelan
Moses; Bojan; Arnautovic
Diouf
Your Thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 19:06:41 GMT
Bardsley for Cameron. Sidwell for Whelan and Odemwingie for Moses.
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Post by salifdiaolegend on Aug 18, 2014 19:10:08 GMT
Begovic Bardsley-Huth-shawcross-pieters Nzonzi-sidwell Odemwingie-bojan-Moses Diouf
Arnie didn't look arsed against hull last year and we can't risk him if there's a chance he might not be bothered about trying
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 19:28:07 GMT
Having thought about it a little more, all I'd change is taking Bojan off the wing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 20:51:47 GMT
Agree. Who would you drop Rob? Was thinking Ireland enabling Bojan to play in a more central role with Moses on the right. Would be a shame to see either of the new guys left out and despite the criticism I thought Arnie was our main threat going forward. I'd drop Bojan Nick, and give Ireland another 2-3 games to redeem himself. If he doesn't buck up I'd stick Bojan there. I would drop Bojan too. Swapping Bojan for Ireland? Certainly not in away games where you need your advanced midfielder to sit in with the other two midfielders for long spells and be combative, make things tight. Last season towards the end Ireland was doing that very well and producing excellent all round performances. I would stick with Ireland anyway and I'm confident he will have an excellent season. He is a top player. Bojan is clearly talented but I worry we are going to be too eager and try to shoehorn him in just because we are so excited to have signed him. I can't see a place for him right now and I would be bringing him off the bench for the first half of the season and experimenting with him in different roles before chancing him from the start.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Aug 19, 2014 7:33:34 GMT
Before Saturday, I would have started with Bojan on the bench. Maybe MH wanted to keep his momentum going and build his confidence, but the Bojan/Diouf interchanging roles idea was perhaps a little ambitious with hindsight. Might work, but needs more time on the training pitch.
The other advantage of bringing on Bojan is options. He can come on for Ireland or Diouf, or even again on the right of the 3,although I don't think that will happen again yet. The difficulty now is it feels like he's being dropped. Hughes will have to manage that carefully with his "rotation" and "horses for courses" philosophy.
That would be my only change at this stage - Wingie in and Moses and Bojan on the bench. Let players earn their places.
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Aug 19, 2014 8:00:44 GMT
Bego Bardsley Shawcross Huth Pieters Whelan N'zonzi Moses Bojan Arnautovic Diouf Ireland didn't do enough for me today to cement himself into that central attacking role. Diouf can't be blamed for not doing much against Villa. Odem instead of Moses, with the intention of switching later in game and I'd agree
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2014 8:20:09 GMT
What i'd pick and what i think Hughes is more likely to pick are two different dealies.
Here's my starting XI (like anyone cares)
GK: Asmir Begovic RB: Phil Bardsley CB: Ryan Shawcross (c) CB: Robert Huth LB: Erik Pieters CDM: Glenn Whelan CDM: Steven Nzonzi RM: Peter Odemwingie CAM: Bojan Krkic LM: Marko Arnautovic ST: Mame Biram Diouf
I've been harsh on Marc Wilson and Stephen Ireland and I don't think Mark Hughes will actually drop either of those players to be honest and i understand why he wouldn't.
I'd like Huth to come back because i feel he's just a better defender and all round footballer than Marc Wilson. It's mean i know but i can't help my feelings, it's not you, it's me. I've read comments about Wilson being better with the ball at his feet, well until he proves otherwise i don't buy into that for a second.
I'm not sure Victor Moses will start and i really want Peter Odemwingie back in the team, on Saturday he may have made a big difference had he been match fit and available and stuff.
I'm sticking Bojan in the centre there instead of Ireland because i think he'll do better there and link up with Diouf, they can all be fluid anyway if things aren't clicking.
I wouldn't be surprised if we only saw 1 change at Hull though and it's anyone's guess what that may be. Odemwingie for somebody?
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Post by pedro23 on Aug 19, 2014 8:46:27 GMT
What i'd pick and what i think Hughes is more likely to pick are two different dealies. Here's my starting XI (like anyone cares) GK: Asmir Begovic RB: Phil Bardsley CB: Ryan Shawcross (c) CB: Robert Huth LB: Erik Pieters CDM: Glenn Whelan CDM: Steven Nzonzi RM: Peter Odemwingie CAM: Bojan Krkic LM: Marko Arnautovic ST: Mame Biram Diouf I've been harsh on Marc Wilson and Stephen Ireland and I don't think Mark Hughes will actually drop either of those players to be honest and i understand why he wouldn't. I'd like Huth to come back because i feel he's just a better defender and all round footballer than Marc Wilson. It's mean i know but i can't help my feelings, it's not you, it's me. I've read comments about Wilson being better with the ball at his feet, well until he proves otherwise i don't buy into that for a second. I'm not sure Victor Moses will start and i really want Peter Odemwingie back in the team, on Saturday he may have made a big difference had he been match fit and available and stuff. I'm sticking Bojan in the centre there instead of Ireland because i think he'll do better there and link up with Diouf, they can all be fluid anyway if things aren't clicking. I wouldn't be surprised if we only saw 1 change at Hull though and it's anyone's guess what that may be. Odemwingie for somebody? I agree with most of the above. The one concern I have is about Huth. If we were getting the Huth of the season before last, where he was also grabbing the odd goal I would agree, however I don't know a) if he still has it and b) how he is going to fit into this system of playing it out from the back. For the latter part of the previous season I thought Wilson did well, hence the reason he was selected before Huth last Saturday. He had a howler against Villa, but like you I don't think MH will change him. Of course MH and the Coaches will be fully aware at what level Huth is currently playing at, I really hope he has recaptured some form because for my money the combination of Shawcross and Huth at their best are good enough to take on anybody.
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Post by roosterscomb on Aug 19, 2014 8:48:43 GMT
Pick your starting XI to take on Hull: linkFans' choice was obvious for the Villa match, interesting to see if anything changes.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 19, 2014 8:58:01 GMT
I still don't know what team I would go with but at present, if Huth is fit, Huth would be back in at the expense of Wilson.
I would tempted to stick Sidwell in for Whelan (so poor was Whelan on Saturday) but I like Whelan and after his excellent season last year it is perhaps a tad harsh to leave him out after one poor performance.
Odemwingie HAS to start and for me he starts in place of Bojan with Bojan coming off the bench to replace Ireland should Ireland be having another "non influential" performance.
2 definite changes, maybe 3, each of which would give us a bit of physicality that was seemingly missing on Saturday.
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