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Post by apb1979 on Aug 4, 2014 1:42:35 GMT
Tony Pulis eyes reunion with Stoke's Marc Wilson at Crystal Palace shr.gs/GDMSZxF |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 4, 2014 2:03:34 GMT
I can't see us letting him go, I would have thought he's quite high up the pecking order in terms of our back up and may even push Huth for a starting spot.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 4:30:57 GMT
Best left back in the league Tony, remember?
Bidding starts at 32M.
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 4, 2014 5:08:06 GMT
Best left back in the league Tony, remember? Bidding starts at 32M. Hahaha... |
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Post by stokemanusa on Aug 4, 2014 5:10:48 GMT
I can't see us letting him go, I would have thought he's quite high up the pecking order in terms of our back up and may even push Huth for a starting spot. I could see it since we have Muniesa, Cameron and Tiextera but I see your thinking. I think he's a vital utility player. Our side needs a few of these types to push on. I'd like him to stay. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 5:36:46 GMT
Definitely keep him, he may well be first choice CB depending on how Huth's recovery is going. He grew into the role last season and is a true professional.
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Post by huuuuuth on Aug 4, 2014 5:53:19 GMT
He can have the "other" Wilson   |
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 4, 2014 6:08:25 GMT
He can have the "other" Wilson As part of the Walters deal WP and JW for £20mill, Pulis owes us this much  |
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Post by Northy on Aug 4, 2014 6:28:35 GMT
He has a few scary moments at CB, too casual at times, he's a decent enough squad player but if Palace offer £6m, I'd think about it, now we have others in the squad who could fill the role. Use the money to upgrade the right wing spot.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 4, 2014 6:40:04 GMT
He has a few scary moments at CB, too casual at times, he's a decent enough squad player but if Palace offer £6m, I'd think about it, now we have others in the squad who could fill the role. Use the money to upgrade the right wing spot. I do think it is useful to have a Wilson type of player in any squad. As a bench player the manager knows he can fill in right across the back 4 - personally, I don't include centre midfield as an option for him as he has never impressed me there. I suppose it comes down to a beauty contest between him and Geoff Cameron. Either are useful as squad players - having both in the squad may be a luxury we can't afford. Gary Mellor (Cameron's agent) tweeted the other day that Hughes does not want to sell Cameron so it may be that Wilson will be sold if the bid is high enough. Given that we allegedly paid £6 million for Wilson and that he is a better and more experienced player than when we bought him, TP should brace himself for having to pay more to get him. |
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Post by gothicstokelover on Aug 4, 2014 7:00:32 GMT
One thing I do love about Wilson is he will always run through a player to header the ball more forward, I think one of his charging headers was a starting move for a goal against Fulham last season
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 7:04:19 GMT
Best left back in the league Tony, remember? Bidding starts at 32M. Best midfield player at the club according to the Oatcake (until he actually played there). |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 7:04:48 GMT
One thing I do love about Wilson is he will always run through a player to header the ball more forward, I think one of his charging headers was a starting move for a goal against Fulham last season That was Shawcross. |
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Post by gothicstokelover on Aug 4, 2014 7:10:37 GMT
One thing I do love about Wilson is he will always run through a player to header the ball more forward, I think one of his charging headers was a starting move for a goal against Fulham last season That was Shawcross. Not thinking of that goal but to be fair THAT header was class...I could be thinking of a different game, maybe even Villa or Westham |
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Post by stoke111 on Aug 4, 2014 7:12:21 GMT
He fits into our style much better than Huth. I wouldn't sell our starting CB!
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 4, 2014 7:18:55 GMT
For whatever reason I've never properly warmed to Wilson, I don't know why he's a solid professional, I'm sure other people feel the same.
I don't hate the bloke but I wouldn't lose any sleep if he was to be sold.
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Post by Danstoke82 on Aug 4, 2014 7:20:40 GMT
Best Left Back in the league.
£20mill Tone plus you can have Palacios for free.
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 4, 2014 7:30:22 GMT
I think one of Cameron or Wilson has to go, but for me, Wilson should be the one who stays.
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Post by gothicstokelover on Aug 4, 2014 7:36:04 GMT
I think one of Cameron or Wilson has to go, but for me, Wilson should be the one who stays. I would wanna keep both but thats because I think they are two players who will generate healthy competition in the squad, there are far worse players we should sell or burn at stake, either way as long as they go. |
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Post by pyrus on Aug 4, 2014 7:37:07 GMT
Which TP is this? The one with integrity who only talks to the club concerned about players, and would never talk to the press first, or the one that gets his mates to do things like go behind another club and break the rules, las he did over the team sheets when Palace played Cardiff.
TP is flying a kite here. He needs to put an offer in for us to laugh at or fuck off. What he is really trying to do is unsettle Wilson through the press by making him think he won't get a game any more to see if he can get Wilson agitated and thinking about a move
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 4, 2014 7:38:38 GMT
It makes sense to sell one of Wilson and Cameron.
Keep whichever of the 2 Hughes thinks will be more useful and demand more minutes filling in at CB, RB and (maybe) CM.
Given the trust Hughes has in Wilson at CB, and the Bardsley signing looking to cut Geoff off at the knees, if we do part with one, you'd put a lot of cash on it being Wilson who ends up staying, especially as he's 3 or 4 yrs younger.
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Post by gothicstokelover on Aug 4, 2014 7:39:42 GMT
Which TP is this? The one with integrity who only talks to the club concerned about players, and would never talk to the press first, or the one that gets his mates to do things like go behind another club and break the rules, las he did over the team sheets when Palace played Cardiff. TP is flying a kite here. He needs to put an offer in for us to laugh at or fuck off. What he is really trying to do is unsettle Wilson through the press by making him think he won't get a game any more to see if he can get Wilson agitated and thinking about a move I've never thought of TP as a grand master of the mind games. |
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Post by djduncanjames on Aug 4, 2014 7:50:50 GMT
Tone wants Whitehead this entire thread is a non starter  |
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 4, 2014 7:57:25 GMT
I think one of Cameron or Wilson has to go, but for me, Wilson should be the one who stays. I would wanna keep both but thats because I think they are two players who will generate healthy competition in the squad, there are far worse players we should sell or burn at stake, either way as long as they go. I like both, but we're overloaded in certain areas now. RB: Bardsley, Cameron, Wilson, Wilko, ShottonCB: Huth, Shawcross, Wilson, Cameron, Texeira, Shotton, Muniesa LB: Pieters, Muniesa, Wilson CM: N'Zonzi, Whelan, Sidwell, Palacios, Cameron, Wilson, NessI think a PL squad needs two players in every position, but a club like us can only really afford about 18 who are 'first team' standard. We don't have European games to contend with, and obviously the wage bill can't take 25 big name players, so clubs at our level tend to pad out squads with a few cheap players just to make the numbers up. Because Wilson will want games, and can cover various position, it makes more sense to include the likes of Wilko and Ness- who will be happy to hang around in the reserves on low wages- rather than Cameron who won't be happy with not playing and will probably cost more in salary than those two players put together. |
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Post by pyrus on Aug 4, 2014 8:19:53 GMT
I would wanna keep both but thats because I think they are two players who will generate healthy competition in the squad, there are far worse players we should sell or burn at stake, either way as long as they go. I like both, but we're overloaded in certain areas now. RB: Bardsley, Cameron, Wilson, Wilko, ShottonCB: Huth, Shawcross, Wilson, Cameron, Texeira, Shotton, Muniesa LB: Pieters, Muniesa, Wilson CM: N'Zonzi, Whelan, Sidwell, Palacios, Cameron, Wilson, NessI think a PL squad needs two players in every position, but a club like us can only really afford about 18 who are 'first team' standard. We don't have European games to contend with, and obviously the wage bill can't take 25 big name players, so clubs at our level tend to pad out squads with a few cheap players just to make the numbers up. Because Wilson will want games, and can cover various position, it makes more sense to include the likes of Wilko and Ness- who will be happy to hang around in the reserves on low wages- rather than Cameron who won't be happy with not playing and will probably cost more in salary than those two players put together. In the modern game, substitutes are strategically crucial. Wilson and Cameron can play anywhere from defensive midfield back. That is one good reason to keep both. In terms of quality, After last season, many of us wondered if Huth would be able to displace Wilson this season, that is as good as praise gets for a CB.
I think we need to keep both. Defenders get more cards and therefore more suspensions than any other position. They are more combative and pick up injuries more frequently. One thing you can say to a defensive squad player is that they will get game time. If you have good defensive players in your squad, you do not let them go because you have Wilko or Ness on the bench.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 4, 2014 8:30:29 GMT
I agree Stoke are "over-loaded" with players for certain positions and the employment list needs to be trimmed, but I think it is too soon to start selling the players who were key to achieving 9th place just a few months ago. We need to see how the new signings bed in, whether Huth is back to form, and how Stoke perform for the first few matches before letting quality players go.
Obviously it will be a difficult decision for MH if there is a very good offer on the table for someone who might be surplus to needs. A lot will depend in this case with what happens with Teixeira; is MH going to use him or put him out to loan for a season?
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Aug 4, 2014 8:43:46 GMT
No doubt now he has gone Pulis will value him at £2m...so he can fuck right off.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 4, 2014 8:57:47 GMT
I like both, but we're overloaded in certain areas now. RB: Bardsley, Cameron, Wilson, Wilko, ShottonCB: Huth, Shawcross, Wilson, Cameron, Texeira, Shotton, Muniesa LB: Pieters, Muniesa, Wilson CM: N'Zonzi, Whelan, Sidwell, Palacios, Cameron, Wilson, NessI think a PL squad needs two players in every position, but a club like us can only really afford about 18 who are 'first team' standard. We don't have European games to contend with, and obviously the wage bill can't take 25 big name players, so clubs at our level tend to pad out squads with a few cheap players just to make the numbers up. Because Wilson will want games, and can cover various position, it makes more sense to include the likes of Wilko and Ness- who will be happy to hang around in the reserves on low wages- rather than Cameron who won't be happy with not playing and will probably cost more in salary than those two players put together. In the modern game, substitutes are strategically crucial. Wilson and Cameron can play anywhere from defensive midfield back. That is one good reason to keep both. In terms of quality, After last season, many of us wondered if Huth would be able to displace Wilson this season, that is as good as praise gets for a CB.
I think we need to keep both. Defenders get more cards and therefore more suspensions than any other position. They are more combative and pick up injuries more frequently. One thing you can say to a defensive squad player is that they will get game time. If you have good defensive players in your squad, you do not let them go because you have Wilko or Ness on the bench.
I know what you're saying. And from the club's point of view, it'd be great to keep the depth. But is it fair on someone like Cameron to keep him for, say, 5 starts and 15 sub appearances at the peak of his career. You could maybe get away with it at a top 4 club with the prestige that comes with it, but it's maybe a bit harder to prevent discontent here. And then you've got all these pesky Financial Fair Play questions to factor in. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 4, 2014 9:00:16 GMT
I completely agree with those people saying that it's probably going to come down to an either/or situation between Wilson and Cameron, I can't get them to both fit into a match day 18.
Muniesa is cover for left back and centre back and then Wilson or Cameron is cover for right back, centre back and cover for possibly Whelan.
When you look at age, length of contract remaining and Wilson's level of Premiership experience playing at centre back, then it's not hard to think that it might actually be Cameron who is the one that leaves.
We'd probably get £5 million or so for him now but I'm not sure we'd get a whole lot more for Wilson.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 4, 2014 9:07:29 GMT
Wouldn't get rid of Wilson as he and Shawcross could be our central defence partnership for the next 5-6 years! That's something to build on! I think Wilson is a very useful player to us and his versatility makes him even more valuable! I'd keep Cameron too, but if a £10M bid came in for N'Zonzi I would sell. Not because he isn't a very good player, but I feel he is on the look for "pastures green" anyway! I'd also sell Crouch if we got a decent bid for him.
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