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Post by alster on Aug 4, 2014 11:11:46 GMT
Wouldn't get rid of Wilson as he and Shawcross could be our central defence partnership for the next 5-6 years! That's something to build on! I think Wilson is a very useful player to us and his versatility makes him even more valuable! I'd keep Cameron too, but if a £10M bid came in for N'Zonzi I would sell. Not because he isn't a very good player, but I feel he is on the look for "pastures green" anyway! I'd also sell Crouch if we got a decent bid for him. I'd test N'Zonzi's commitment with a decent long term contract offer. In my mind thats maybe more what he/his Dad are really angling for because there have been no serious links with other clubs despite the transfer requests. I'm not convinced by Cameron's defensive positioning or basic technique I'd be nowhere near as comfortable seeing him line up CB as I am Wilson, so that conundrum is a no brainer for me. I've never been a fan of Crouch when he's been the main man, the thought of his wage going to another bit part player a'la Palacios is mental for a club of our size. The wage bill needs trimming to make room for another 1 or 2 incoming yet some react almost hysterically everytime letting anyone who has played regular first team minutes go. Something's got to give.
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Post by basingstokie on Aug 4, 2014 11:37:56 GMT
I'd like to keep him, but if he wants to go for starting XI slot then can't blame the lad
Didn't we pay £3m or something. Easily must be worth double that now
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Aug 4, 2014 11:42:12 GMT
One of my favourite players is Marc. I just like his composure on the ball which is great for a defender. Had some lapses last season but seemed to learn from them and come back stronger.
Keep him for the next 5 or 6 years no doubt
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Post by Davef on Aug 4, 2014 11:47:38 GMT
So that's Nzonzi, Walters and Wilson on TP's wishlist...
When did Crystal Palace start shitting money?
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Aug 4, 2014 12:12:51 GMT
Best left back in the league Tony, remember? Bidding starts at 32M. Best midfield player at the club according to the Oatcake (until he actually played there). I think that was Wayne Thomas as assessed by a couple of our more senile mature contributors who in their brief moments of being lucid associate playing well at full-back with being a midfield play maker.
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Post by Gods on Aug 4, 2014 12:34:20 GMT
If the net effect of bringing Bardsley in is that we lose Wilson, to anyone, then I'm not convinced that is great business.
I very much hope we can keep him.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 4, 2014 12:45:19 GMT
I can't see us letting him go, I would have thought he's quite high up the pecking order in terms of our back up and may even push Huth for a starting spot. I could see it since we have Muniesa, Cameron and Tiextera but I see your thinking. I think he's a vital utility player. Our side needs a few of these types to push on. I'd like him to stay. I wouldn't be surprised see Tex go on loan for a little while rather than having him doing nothing on our bench, I'm surprised I haven't really seen much about it.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 4, 2014 12:48:11 GMT
He's got 2 yrs left on his deal after 4 seasons as a regular in 2 different positions. Just entering his peak years and never any trouble off the pitch.
Can't see any way we'd consider selling.
Even if Hughes were to come around to the view that he could get rid of Wilson or Cameron, can't see any way it'd be him.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 4, 2014 12:55:59 GMT
Wilson will end up playing around 30 games this season, if he stays. On that basis, he is a vital member of the squad. If we have to look to offload the high earners who want a starting spot, but probably won't get one, we need to look to Cameron, Adam, Palacios, Walters and Crouch first. At least three of them could go and not make our regular first XI this coming season any weaker.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Aug 4, 2014 13:05:58 GMT
I completely agree with those people saying that it's probably going to come down to an either/or situation between Wilson and Cameron, I can't get them to both fit into a match day 18.
Muniesa is cover for left back and centre back and then Wilson or Cameron is cover for right back, centre back and cover for possibly Whelan.
When you look at age, length of contract remaining and Wilson's level of Premiership experience playing at centre back, then it's not hard to think that it might actually be Cameron who is the one that leaves.
We'd probably get £5 million or so for him now but I'm not sure we'd get a whole lot more for Wilson.
Paul, do you really think we'd get £5 million for Cameron? Based on your argument/assessment I'd say Geoff may well go to free up some wages. I'd like to see us forward plan a little already for the long-awaited Whelan upgrade to move us on another step or two. Whether we get through the season without doing that depends on Adam leaving as well I guess although there doesn't seem to be any midfielder talk at the moment.
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Post by Gods on Aug 4, 2014 13:07:39 GMT
Wilson is definitely one of the good guys.
Pretty tough too I suspect.
I know there are gradations of broken legs but the way he shrugged of his broken leg the season before last, in such a way that most of us forgot it ever happened is a testimony to his professionalism too.
I would hate to see him leave.
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Post by CrazyPotter on Aug 4, 2014 13:09:43 GMT
He was the coaches player of the season for 2013/14, too. Doubt he'll go.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 13:12:23 GMT
Tone is in a very difficult and awkward position in relation to some of our players. How does he value those players who he signed and are now worth a fraction of what he paid. Market price or over valuation.?
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 4, 2014 13:18:09 GMT
I completely agree with those people saying that it's probably going to come down to an either/or situation between Wilson and Cameron, I can't get them to both fit into a match day 18.
Muniesa is cover for left back and centre back and then Wilson or Cameron is cover for right back, centre back and cover for possibly Whelan.
When you look at age, length of contract remaining and Wilson's level of Premiership experience playing at centre back, then it's not hard to think that it might actually be Cameron who is the one that leaves.
We'd probably get £5 million or so for him now but I'm not sure we'd get a whole lot more for Wilson.
Paul, do you really think we'd get £5 million for Cameron? Based on your argument/assessment I'd say Geoff may well go to free up some wages. I'd like to see us forward plan a little already for the long-awaited Whelan upgrade to move us on another step or two. Whether we get through the season without doing that depends on Adam leaving as well I guess although there doesn't seem to be any midfielder talk at the moment. Do you think he'll try Sidwell there? I know he is more of an SNZ style player, less holding more box to box, but he is not getting any younger, and could do a Gerrard (ie drop back as he gets into his 30s). Cameron also professes a liking for the role and is freed from being shoehorned into a position he does not enjoy (right back) with Bardsley's arrival. I do think, if Adam goes, and all the signs point in that direction, that we should be aiming to bring in a defensive midfielder in his early/mid-20s.
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Post by Sfance on Aug 4, 2014 13:20:41 GMT
Wilson=the new Skeels.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 14:12:41 GMT
Wouldn't let him go. Very good and useful player. Had a good season last! He was one that a while ago, I would have released, but not any more!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 4, 2014 14:15:08 GMT
I wouldn't entertain selling Wilson and if it was ever a straight choice between losing Cameron and Wilson, then I wouldn't hesitate in dispensing with Cameron.
However, were we to sell him to Pulis, then we need to remind Pulis that we paid 7m (or equivalent of) for Wilson on his say so and he is now a better player than the one we signed so his price must be at least 5m higher than we paid for him.
Pulis also needs to remember that Wilson is/was the best left back in the Premier Leagues and several top clubs are/were tracking him.
I don't even like Wilson but all that adds up to 15m at least, especially if Pulis is doing the buying!
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Post by jimmygscfc on Aug 4, 2014 14:53:38 GMT
I wouldn't entertain selling Wilson and if it was ever a straight choice between losing Cameron and Wilson, then I wouldn't hesitate in dispensing with Cameron. However, were we to sell him to Pulis, then we need to remind Pulis that we paid 7m (or equivalent of) for Wilson on his say so and he is now a better player than the one we signed so his price must be at least 5m higher than we paid for him. Pulis also needs to remember that Wilson is/was the best left back in the Premier Leagues and several top clubs are/were tracking him. I don't even like Wilson but all that adds up to 15m at least, especially if Pulis is doing the buying! Stop Press: DaveJohnno in anti-Cameron post In all seriousness Dave, I agree with you if it's an either or scenario. I'd miss Geoff though as he had his moments, but usually in the opposition's half in his forays down the right hand side.
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Post by rawli on Aug 4, 2014 15:04:16 GMT
Which TP is this? The one with integrity who only talks to the club concerned about players, and would never talk to the press first, or the one that gets his mates to do things like go behind another club and break the rules, las he did over the team sheets when Palace played Cardiff. TP is flying a kite here. He needs to put an offer in for us to laugh at or fuck off. What he is really trying to do is unsettle Wilson through the press by making him think he won't get a game any more to see if he can get Wilson agitated and thinking about a move There's only one Tony Pulis
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Post by Bombus on Aug 4, 2014 15:18:43 GMT
For whatever reason I've never properly warmed to Wilson, I don't know why he's a solid professional, I'm sure other people feel the same. I don't hate the bloke but I wouldn't lose any sleep if he was to be sold. Strange that, mate - me old man's just the same. Says he can't put his finger on why though. I like Marc myself, I'd like him to stay!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 15:44:56 GMT
On his bike... he can have all the waste of time players he bought
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Post by norters on Aug 4, 2014 16:13:39 GMT
Great player.. Hands off..
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 4, 2014 16:18:10 GMT
I wouldn't entertain selling Wilson and if it was ever a straight choice between losing Cameron and Wilson, then I wouldn't hesitate in dispensing with Cameron. However, were we to sell him to Pulis, then we need to remind Pulis that we paid 7m (or equivalent of) for Wilson on his say so and he is now a better player than the one we signed so his price must be at least 5m higher than we paid for him. Pulis also needs to remember that Wilson is/was the best left back in the Premier Leagues and several top clubs are/were tracking him. I don't even like Wilson but all that adds up to 15m at least, especially if Pulis is doing the buying! Where's seven million (or equivalent) come from?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 16:26:05 GMT
I wouldn't entertain selling Wilson and if it was ever a straight choice between losing Cameron and Wilson, then I wouldn't hesitate in dispensing with Cameron. However, were we to sell him to Pulis, then we need to remind Pulis that we paid 7m (or equivalent of) for Wilson on his say so and he is now a better player than the one we signed so his price must be at least 5m higher than we paid for him. Pulis also needs to remember that Wilson is/was the best left back in the Premier Leagues and several top clubs are/were tracking him. I don't even like Wilson but all that adds up to 15m at least, especially if Pulis is doing the buying! Where's seven million (or equivalent) come from? It was bandied about on here due to the Kitson/Lawrence exchange when we did the original transfer. Someone far more intelligent than me did the maths!
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Post by arnieforpresident on Aug 4, 2014 16:29:07 GMT
Give Pulis a list of available players that he signed that we want out and tell him to do one unless he wants one of them. put buy the side of the names how much he signed them for see if he's interested
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 4, 2014 16:29:26 GMT
Where's seven million (or equivalent) come from? It was bandied about on here due to the Kitson/Lawrence exchange when we did the original transfer. Someone far more intelligent than me did the maths! It was quoted in the Sentinel. Kitson and Lawrence were valued at £1.5 million each. And I think it was them + 3 million, so it was 6 million.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 4, 2014 16:30:35 GMT
Where's seven million (or equivalent) come from? It was bandied about on here due to the Kitson/Lawrence exchange when we did the original transfer. Someone far more intelligent than me did the maths! Ahh right, I'd be surprised if it came to that much, they weren't worth much when they went.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 4, 2014 16:33:35 GMT
Actually I've checked my notes and I have it as 4.5 million, 3 million for the two players and 1.5 million cash.
I'd want at least 10 million for Wilson from Tone.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 4, 2014 16:34:50 GMT
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Post by smiler_andy on Aug 4, 2014 16:44:36 GMT
I would keep Wilson, we need a strong squad and I would not be surprised if he is one of our regular starters once things have settled down after 6-8 games.
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