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Post by ukcstokie on Aug 7, 2014 16:40:27 GMT
I never understand why most batsmen actually hook. It's such a risky shot for all but the very best. Cut it out and 99% batsmen will score more runs. It's not a hook though it's a pull , a different shot , and normally it's a strength of Cooks 's ,if he doesn't play it he cuts down on his scoring opportunities greatly
Couldn't make my mind up that it was 100% a hook.
Still think it was a hook though!
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/skills/5264648.stm
"There are a few differences between the pull and hook shot. Where the pull is played to a ball around waist height, the hook is played to a short delivery between chest and head height. "
That was higher than waist height surely?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 16:52:38 GMT
It's not a hook though it's a pull , a different shot , and normally it's a strength of Cooks 's ,if he doesn't play it he cuts down on his scoring opportunities greatly
Couldn't make my mind up that it was 100% a hook.
Still think it was a hook though!
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/skills/5264648.stm
"There are a few differences between the pull and hook shot. Where the pull is played to a ball around waist height, the hook is played to a short delivery between chest and head height. "
That was higher than waist height surely?
A hook is played at upper chest /throat or head height .....a pull is played normally around the midriff or higher , for me it's a pull shot ....very few English batsmen play the hook Still it's not really the point whether it was a hook or a pull .....it's whether he should have played it or not ?
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Post by ukcstokie on Aug 7, 2014 16:58:30 GMT
Couldn't make my mind up that it was 100% a hook.
Still think it was a hook though!
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/skills/5264648.stm
"There are a few differences between the pull and hook shot. Where the pull is played to a ball around waist height, the hook is played to a short delivery between chest and head height. "
That was higher than waist height surely?
A hook is played at upper chest /throat or head height .....a pull is played normally around the midriff or higher , for me it's a pull shot ....very few English batsmen play the hook Still it's not really the point whether it was a hook or a pull .....it's whether he should have played it or not ? He got out to it. Hindsight says he shouldn't have played it!
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Post by harrysburrow on Aug 7, 2014 17:10:54 GMT
Don't fall out lads - you know it upsets me!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 17:11:44 GMT
A hook is played at upper chest /throat or head height .....a pull is played normally around the midriff or higher , for me it's a pull shot ....very few English batsmen play the hook Still it's not really the point whether it was a hook or a pull .....it's whether he should have played it or not ? He got out to it. Hindsight says he shouldn't have played it! I wouldn't disagree with you mate , my point was that if he cuts it out completely as with the cut as was suggested prior to the last Test when he got runs , you would stop around 70% of his scoring shots ....your strengths are so often your weakness sometimes
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 17:13:24 GMT
Don't fall out lads - you know it upsets me! Not falling out at all mate , just a point up for discussion .....as it should be
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 7, 2014 17:15:41 GMT
152 all out ......will take that. Nine wickets for Broad and Anderson. Well done boys - kept the pressure on and didn't allow India's tail to wag. It's worth a moment though, among the good news, to consider this bowling analysis; 62 - 20 - 224 - 1 Yes that is one for 224; the combined return of our third and fourth seamers in the last three innings. No further words needed other than saying let's hope Bell and Balance see it through to stumps and show their class tomorrow. Both have looked class this afternoon.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 7, 2014 17:21:00 GMT
He got out to it. Hindsight says he shouldn't have played it! I wouldn't disagree with you mate , my point was that if he cuts it out completely as with the cut as was suggested prior to the last Test when he got runs , you would stop around 70% of his scoring shots ....your strengths are so often your weakness sometimes The pull shot is one of Cook's strengths - he has to play it. But he has to play it well - on this occasion he didn't. Seems fair enough to me. I'd be very happy if bowlers adopted a line of attack short on his legs at Cook; he'll score hatfulls. It's that ball pitched full just outside off that worries me with Mr Cook as a batsman.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 17:27:25 GMT
152 all out ......will take that. Nine wickets for Broad and Anderson. Well done boys - kept the pressure on and didn't allow India's tail to wag. It's worth a moment though, among the good news, to consider this bowling analysis; 62 - 20 - 224 - 1 Yes that is one for 224; the combined return of our third and fourth seamers in the last three innings. No further words needed other than saying let's hope Bell and Balance see it through to stumps and show their class tomorrow. Both have looked class this afternoon. Yes , Finn needs to be in the side sooner than later , we can't rely on Anderson and Broad indefinately to take all the wickets
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Post by harrysburrow on Aug 7, 2014 17:29:57 GMT
92 - 2 is decent enough. Ballance looking the part again - and technically he wasn't even out in the last Test?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 7, 2014 17:31:31 GMT
Ballance is absolute mustard.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 7, 2014 17:33:44 GMT
I reckon losing the first four wickets for no runs i.e. from 8 without loss to 8 for 4 must be a first.
I can imagine it's possible the last four wickets have gone down somewhere at some point without a run being scored, but the first four; incredible!
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 7, 2014 17:38:30 GMT
I reckon losing the first four wickets for no runs i.e. from 8 without loss to 8 for 4 must be a first. I can imagine it's possible the last four wickets have gone down somewhere at some point without a run being scored, but the first four; incredible! It was truly extraordinary, and highlighted the need for good slip fielders, they were all decent takes.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 7, 2014 17:41:21 GMT
Pankaj brings up another half century.
Feel sorry for the bloke being honest.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 7, 2014 17:43:27 GMT
Pankaj brings up another half century. Feel sorry for the bloke being honest. He looks good doesn't he. His time will come.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 17:53:33 GMT
I reckon losing the first four wickets for no runs i.e. from 8 without loss to 8 for 4 must be a first. I can imagine it's possible the last four wickets have gone down somewhere at some point without a run being scored, but the first four; incredible! In one series against India over here in the late 50's they were 0-4 against Fred Trueman .....they were all running off to square leg by all accounts !
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 7, 2014 17:58:40 GMT
That's a bloody annoying wicket to lose.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 18:08:49 GMT
A hook is played at upper chest /throat or head height .....a pull is played normally around the midriff or higher , for me it's a pull shot ....very few English batsmen play the hook Still it's not really the point whether it was a hook or a pull .....it's whether he should have played it or not ? He got out to it. Hindsight says he shouldn't have played it! Having watched it for a third time ....I concede that you could call it a hook shot mate
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 18:09:29 GMT
That's a bloody annoying wicket to lose. It is , he was looking very solid as usual
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 18:10:16 GMT
Pankaj brings up another half century. Feel sorry for the bloke being honest. He looks good doesn't he. His time will come. Yes , hopefully not in this series though !
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 7, 2014 18:11:42 GMT
Fantastic day for England, should push on tomorrow with who we've got coming up.
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Post by ukcstokie on Aug 7, 2014 18:11:58 GMT
He got out to it. Hindsight says he shouldn't have played it! I wouldn't disagree with you mate , my point was that if he cuts it out completely as with the cut as was suggested prior to the last Test when he got runs , you would stop around 70% of his scoring shots ....your strengths are so often your weakness sometimes I always remember what Steve Waugh did - he cut out every risky shot from his repertoire. It made him less exciting but did turn him into a run machine.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 18:16:34 GMT
I wouldn't disagree with you mate , my point was that if he cuts it out completely as with the cut as was suggested prior to the last Test when he got runs , you would stop around 70% of his scoring shots ....your strengths are so often your weakness sometimes I always remember what Steve Waugh did - he cut out every risky shot from his repertoire. It made him less exciting but did turn him into a run machine. Agreed , but Waugh had more scoring shots all around the wicket than Cook has
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 7, 2014 20:01:46 GMT
I reckon losing the first four wickets for no runs i.e. from 8 without loss to 8 for 4 must be a first. I can imagine it's possible the last four wickets have gone down somewhere at some point without a run being scored, but the first four; incredible! In one series against India over here in the late 50's they were 0-4 against Fred Trueman .....they were all running off to square leg by all accounts ! You are spot on - and I should have remembered. Not because I was there, but it was in a biography I read about Fred on my summer hols a few weeks ago. It was Trueman's debut test at Headingly (in 1952). Proof here. It was in India's second innings; Trueman took 3, Bedser the other one.
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Post by harrysburrow on Aug 7, 2014 20:10:27 GMT
They don't like it up em you know!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 20:43:06 GMT
In one series against India over here in the late 50's they were 0-4 against Fred Trueman .....they were all running off to square leg by all accounts ! You are spot on - and I should have remembered. Not because I was there, but it was in a biography I read about Fred on my summer hols a few weeks ago. It was Trueman's debut test at Headingly (in 1952). Proof here. It was in India's second innings; Trueman took 3, Bedser the other one. I thought so , I said late 50's so not far off .....Trueman was supposedly express in those days , along with Tyson ( for a short time ) who was even quicker, Statham and the more sedate but supremely accurate Bedser, they must rate as being among the best attacks England has ever had , with Jim Laker doing the spinning !
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 20:44:50 GMT
They don't like it up em you know! They never have ....and they still don't !
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 7, 2014 20:45:09 GMT
You are spot on - and I should have remembered. Not because I was there, but it was in a biography I read about Fred on my summer hols a few weeks ago. It was Trueman's debut test at Headingly (in 1952). Proof here. It was in India's second innings; Trueman took 3, Bedser the other one. I thought so , I said late 50's so not far off .....Trueman was supposedly express in those days , along with Tyson ( for a short time ) who was even quicker, Statham and the more sedate but supremely accurate Bedser, they must rate as being among the best attacks England has ever had , with Jim Laker doing the spinning ! Aye - no bad, as they say up here!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 22:56:16 GMT
Going back to this one ....I'm all in favour of a little " banter" or sledging ...it does no harm and it helps to promote a little spice into the game ....from time immemorial swearing on the cricket field has occurred , particularly where the Australians have been concerned ....but in my opinion it can go over the top ...if those reports of what Anderson called Dohni are correct , then in my opinion he has crossed the line ....they are personal insults that have no place on the Cricket field ...no need for them and they in my. Opinion are far worse than the alleged push on one of the players ...but you would hope that as grown men they could sort it out amicably without resorting to hearings and the like ....cool it lads
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 8, 2014 10:36:46 GMT
Jordan gone - poor shot.
Shame - he had a chance to show what he can with the bat this morning and has blown it.
You have to think him and Woakes are fighting for one place going forward (we need a bona fide 3rd seamer) and with not much to choose between their bowling (although I think Woakes edges that) it could be their batting that is the deciding factor.
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