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Post by Pugsley on Aug 12, 2014 12:28:49 GMT
Obviously a contrary view to the mass consensus but I would much rather see us sign Redmond than Assaidi. I've seen him playing from a kid in the youth teams at Birmingham and have always thought he is a future England star. His performances for the U21's have only heightened that view. For me he is at 20 a far more exciting and pacy prospect than Assaidi who, in my view was poor and predictable for most full backs for more games last season than those he played well in. I understand the inconsistency of wingers but at 25 I'm not sure he is the real deal at the price. People seem to have remembered only his fine finish to the season. Just my view.
I think you are bang on the money Mark. For me, bar the odd game and goal, Assaidi was average.
I would imagine Coates would be happier signing the cheque for Redmond.
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Post by petershiltonsmini on Aug 12, 2014 12:35:03 GMT
Obviously a contrary view to the mass consensus but I would much rather see us sign Redmond than Assaidi. I've seen him playing from a kid in the youth teams at Birmingham and have always thought he is a future England star. His performances for the U21's have only heightened that view. For me he is at 20 a far more exciting and pacy prospect than Assaidi who, in my view was poor and predictable for most full backs for more games last season than those he played well in. I understand the inconsistency of wingers but at 25 I'm not sure he is the real deal at the price. People seem to have remembered only his fine finish to the season. Just my view.
I think you are bang on the money Mark. For me, bar the odd game and goal, Assaidi was average.
I would imagine Coates would be happier signing the cheque for Redmond.
I can only agree with all of this I really wanted Assaidi but the recent difficulties and high fee have put me off.
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Post by mcf on Aug 12, 2014 12:36:02 GMT
Obviously a contrary view to the mass consensus but I would much rather see us sign Redmond than Assaidi. I've seen him playing from a kid in the youth teams at Birmingham and have always thought he is a future England star. His performances for the U21's have only heightened that view. For me he is at 20 a far more exciting and pacy prospect than Assaidi who, in my view was poor and predictable for most full backs for more games last season than those he played well in. I understand the inconsistency of wingers but at 25 I'm not sure he is the real deal at the price. People seem to have remembered only his fine finish to the season. Just my view.
I think you are bang on the money Mark. For me, bar the odd game and goal, Assaidi was average.
I would imagine Coates would be happier signing the cheque for Redmond.
Agree with you both on Assaidi I might need to go and lie down.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 12, 2014 12:48:12 GMT
Amazing how so many have written off Redmond following a mediocre showing at the weekend in a poor Naaaaaaarch team - first game back, maybe not there mentally with all the transfer talk, but no, the lad is rubbish and we should not sign him.
He has consistently impressed from his early days at Brum, he is young, pacey, direct, English (and fairly local), already experienced at the top level - I struggle to find reasons not to sign him at £5m.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 12:53:50 GMT
Amazing how so many have written off Redmond following a mediocre showing at the weekend in a poor Naaaaaaarch team - first game back, maybe not there mentally with all the transfer talk, but no, the lad is rubbish and we should not sign him. He has consistently impressed from his early days at Brum, he is young, pacey, direct, English (and fairly local), already experienced at the top level - I struggle to find reasons not to sign him at £5m. Have to agree with that Jezza, for a British player aged 20 with that much raw ability I think it is a good price.
Assaidi can come into the team and perform from day 1, Redmond may take a little time to get to the same ability but he is a much better investment long term.
Hughes knows what he is doing so if it is good enough for him then who are we to argue.
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Post by stokemark on Aug 12, 2014 12:59:32 GMT
I think you are bang on the money Mark. For me, bar the odd game and goal, Assaidi was average.
I would imagine Coates would be happier signing the cheque for Redmond.
Agree with you both on Assaidi I might need to go and lie down. It depends what you are looking for - Impact sub or regular starter. If you are after the former Assaidi has little to prove to anyone - He showed that he could come off the bench, give defenders a torrid time and score the odd goal. Im not sure he is suited to a regular berth and I can see the argument that £4 / £7m is quite a bit for a bit part player who still has a lot to prove. Redmond probably is better suited to a regular slot given his style but I am not convinced that he is as good a footballer. He has plenty of pace but his application is questionable and his goal scoring record (given his stats at Norwich in the top flight) is poor. TBH I dont necessarily see either as 'regulars' for differing reasons - It all depends on what Hughes wants and what he feels we are missing. I agree that Redmond potentially offers greater 'value' but I see him as a bigger risk given the sum involved - Its a risk Im not sure we should take given that we have two new front men to integrate. That said, at least both have experience in the Premier League and shouldnt have to 'settle' in the way that foreign signings usually do. I will be happy with either as, whilst neither is perfect, we need pace and width in the side and there doesnt appear to be the perfect solution out there.
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Post by Vestan Pance on Aug 12, 2014 13:03:46 GMT
I think that the other point with Redmond is that he fits into the forward play we are trying to introduce. He isn't limited to one position, he can play anywhere across the forward line and, although raw, his pace alone would make him a better option for me than Assaidi who, let's be honest, is hardly hanging outside Clayton Woods waiting for his photo.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 12, 2014 13:11:16 GMT
I think that the other point with Redmond is that he fits into the forward play we are trying to introduce. He isn't limited to one position, he can play anywhere across the forward line and, although raw, his pace alone would make him a better option for me than Assaidi who, let's be honest, is hardly hanging outside Clayton Woods waiting for his photo. I think Redmond is an exciting winger, but he certainly isn't a striker or the one to play alone up front! This weekend he was played in such a position and it didn't suit him at all. I've seen so much of Redmond from last season to say I still believe he could be a good acquisition for £5M, but play him on the wing!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 13:12:21 GMT
I think that the other point with Redmond is that he fits into the forward play we are trying to introduce. He isn't limited to one position, he can play anywhere across the forward line and, although raw, his pace alone would make him a better option for me than Assaidi who, let's be honest, is hardly hanging outside Clayton Woods waiting for his photo. Redmond play right across the forward line can he? Would you be happy going into a premier league game with Redmond as the focal point of our attack? Redmond is a wide man and that's it,not even that good a one either in my opinion. I wasn't overly impressed with Assaidi to be honest last season,but if it was a toss up between the two I'd take Assaidi any day of the week.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Aug 12, 2014 13:14:44 GMT
Tom Ince (No premiership experience) or Nathan Redmond (premiership experience)? Nathan Redmond or Oussama Assaidi?
For similar money I guess it has to be Redmond. They're all much of a muchness!
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 12, 2014 13:20:22 GMT
Another thing seemingly in Redmond's favour is that rumours suggest he is keen to sign for us, whereas Assaidi has his agent trying to screw us for as much cash as possible to be amongst our highest earners.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 12, 2014 13:25:12 GMT
We must have considered the possibility that Assaidi could well be available as another cheap late loan?
He's about as close to getting a game there as the 'Chimp Paradox' psychologist guy and looks big odds against getting in their 25.
If push comes to shove, can't see what alternative they'll have but let him go out on loan?
If not us, someone else in Europe will pick him up for a season - but he won't get the wage increase he's angling for.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 13:45:54 GMT
We must have considered the possibility that Assaidi could well be available as another cheap late loan? He's about as close to getting a game there as the 'Chimp Paradox' psychologist guy and looks big odds against getting in their 25. If push comes to shove, can't see what alternative they'll have but let him go out on loan? If not us, someone else in Europe will pick him up for a season - but he won't get the wage increase he's angling for. And nor should he be anywhere near our top earners, people can blame his agent but if he was desperate to come here I am sure he would have a word and lowered the demands.
Another loan deal would be a decent option but I would have thought Liverpool would want a sale as he is nowhere near to being in the first 11.
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Post by southcarolinastokie on Aug 12, 2014 13:48:45 GMT
My issue with Assaidi is that he could have easily agreed to sign with us. Instead he wants a big pay day and he isn't guaranteed to be fit for the first few games. As much as he improved as the season went on, he was very erratic a lot of the time. I'm not saying Redmond wouldn't be either but he was in a very poor Norwich team that got relegated, you cannot judge him based on that. For the price, being young, English and fairly local, he would be a decent signing and one Hughes could work with over the season.
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Post by PONTAFCE on Aug 12, 2014 13:54:01 GMT
Another thing seemingly in Redmond's favour is that rumours suggest he is keen to sign for us, whereas Assaidi has his agent trying to screw us for as much cash as possible to be amongst our highest earners. Where have you seen he is keen to sign for us?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 12, 2014 14:00:21 GMT
I wonder if with Assaidi's fitness record that we could buy both him and Redmond for cover? It's not one or the other .....we want them them both I'm not convinced we do any more.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 12, 2014 14:03:55 GMT
We must have considered the possibility that Assaidi could well be available as another cheap late loan? He's about as close to getting a game there as the 'Chimp Paradox' psychologist guy and looks big odds against getting in their 25. If push comes to shove, can't see what alternative they'll have but let him go out on loan? If not us, someone else in Europe will pick him up for a season - but he won't get the wage increase he's angling for. And nor should he be anywhere near our top earners, people can blame his agent but if he was desperate to come here I am sure he would have a word and lowered the demands.
Another loan deal would be a decent option but I would have thought Liverpool would want a sale as he is nowhere near to being in the first 11.
Yeah - they'd prefer a sale, but if it's going to take £4.5m rising to £7m and a long-term deal of £40k+-a-week to get him, it probably explains why he isn't fighting off potential buyers with a stick? Either they drop his price right down to entice buyers in, or they'll probably be forced to loan him? It would be an embarrassment for them to have to loan him out (to Stoke particularly) having seemingly had up to £7m coming in for him, which makes you wonder whether they'd do it? But if he's still there in late August, what else do they do? As it stands, it seems he would get into their 25, largely because they've got a few under-21 players who don't count, but the bench looks a long, long way off for him and its hard to see him figuring at all.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 12, 2014 14:05:56 GMT
£4.5 million and Brek Shea on loan for a season.
Everyone's a winner.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 14:14:21 GMT
And nor should he be anywhere near our top earners, people can blame his agent but if he was desperate to come here I am sure he would have a word and lowered the demands.
Another loan deal would be a decent option but I would have thought Liverpool would want a sale as he is nowhere near to being in the first 11.
Yeah - they'd prefer a sale, but if it's going to take £4.5m rising to £7m and a long-term deal of £40k+-a-week to get him, it probably explains why he isn't fighting off potential buyers with a stick? Either they drop his price right down to entice buyers in, or they'll probably be forced to loan him? It would be an embarrassment for them to have to loan him out (to Stoke particularly) having seemingly had up to £7m coming in for him, which makes you wonder whether they'd do it? But if he's still there in late August, what else do they do? As it stands, it seems he would get into their 25, largely because they've got a few under-21 players who don't count, but the bench looks a long, long way off for him and its hard to see him figuring at all. I see you're point, It is a very expensive deal if you think of the signing on fee and agent etc. Would probably cost the club 15-18million over a 4 year period and then he will be 28/29 with not much resale value.
I can understand the club going for Redmond as a alternative.
Will be interesting to see where he ends up.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 12, 2014 14:18:18 GMT
£4.5 million and Brek Shea on loan for a season. Everyone's a winner. Or a straight 5m
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Post by blockelevenview on Aug 12, 2014 16:30:04 GMT
If Redmond doesn't sign today The deal is off
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 12, 2014 16:32:13 GMT
If Redmond doesn't sign today The deal is off Why? We're pushing it a bit to get him over and give him a medical by midnight.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 12, 2014 16:34:43 GMT
Strange though. On Sky just they asked Hughes about Redmond and all he said was the usual 'he's not our player so we can't talk about him' stuff but said it we may just have to be patient or words to that effect.
I thought we've given them 24 hours or do one?
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Post by Miles Offside on Aug 12, 2014 16:36:44 GMT
It's not really surprising that a young lad didn't shine in a struggling team last season.
From what I've seen of him he's definitely worth a punt.
A 20 year old with experience in the Premier League and England U21s, with pace and potential, is definitely worth a punt at £5M.
He'd either turn out to be a terrific bargain or, if he wasn't, then we'd probably get our money back after a couple of seasons. Sign him up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 16:39:51 GMT
If Redmond doesn't sign today The deal is off Says who?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 12, 2014 16:40:08 GMT
£4.5 million and Brek Shea on loan for a season. Everyone's a winner. Should offer them Jerome, getting rid of an unwanted player at the same time would be great business, and I think Jerome would do well for them in that league.
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Post by jamie3184 on Aug 12, 2014 16:44:18 GMT
Don't really understand people bashing the lad because he didn't perform for Norwich, the whole Norwich team under performed. The management and coaching staff couldn't get the best out of players that had fantastic ability so what else would you expect from a good young player with potential that needed proper instruction to get the best out of him.
He plays wonderfully for the England U21 team which i think shows he has talent and can do it when under the correct guidance. I have no doubt that Hughes could get the best out of Redmond and that he would be a much better player than Assaidi in 12-18 months time.
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Post by arnieforpresident on Aug 12, 2014 17:06:16 GMT
He's set to join Southampton according to some reports. Hope so, hyped up because he's English no different to the England team
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Post by arnieforpresident on Aug 12, 2014 17:07:41 GMT
Arsenal will have Sanchez Walcott & Ox-laide Chamberlain for the same place.. shame we can't get the Ox on loan for the season
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Post by coates on Aug 12, 2014 17:09:02 GMT
He's set to join Southampton according to some reports. Hope so, hyped up because he's English no different to the England team None ever test themselves out of the country, all to ease to stay in the premier league .
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