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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 9:02:19 GMT
Are we in danger of scuppering any future deal for this lad by continuing in our pursuit of Assaidi. Are we simply 'keeping him on the back burner' in case Assaidi blows us out , because it looks that way to me. I'm not being critical of Hughes in any way as he's obviously in a very difficult situation and wants the best deal for Stoke City , but in view of the time this is all taking and if a similar offer came in for Redmond from another club , then we shouldn't be surprised if he dumps us.! I think we should simply go for Redmond and end all this speculation . We could lose both targets otherwise. He does have a very good pedigree and will improve. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Redmond
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 30, 2014 9:07:43 GMT
Are we in danger of scuppering any future deal for this lad by continuing in our pursuit of Assaidi. Are we simply 'keeping him on the back burner' in case Assaidi blows us out , because it looks that way to me. I'm not being critical of Hughes in any way as he's obviously in a very difficult situation and wants the best deal for Stoke City , but in view of the time this is all taking and if a similar offer came in for Redmond from another club , then we shouldn't be surprised if he dumps us.! I think we should simply go for Redmond and end all this speculation . We could lose both targets otherwise. He does have a very good pedigree and will improve. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Redmond Agree, I prefer Redmond too! Much bigger potential than Assaidi. Assaidi is a good player though, but how much are we willing to pay for a back up winger (fee+wages)!
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Post by slpmarc on Jul 30, 2014 9:08:36 GMT
2nd bid has gone in for Redmond, so don't think we are waiting while Assaidi messes about
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 9:10:06 GMT
2nd bid has gone in for Redmond, so don't think we are waiting while Assaidi messes about How much for ? Do we know ?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 30, 2014 9:11:03 GMT
Are we in danger of scuppering any future deal for this lad by continuing in our pursuit of Assaidi. Are we simply 'keeping him on the back burner' in case Assaidi blows us out , because it looks that way to me. I'm not being critical of Hughes in any way as he's obviously in a very difficult situation and wants the best deal for Stoke City , but in view of the time this is all taking and if a similar offer came in for Redmond from another club , then we shouldn't be surprised if he dumps us.! I think we should simply go for Redmond and end all this speculation . We could lose both targets otherwise. He does have a very good pedigree and will improve. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Redmond
Well why not let him sort it out then?
You've got absolutely zero information to go on, to come to your conclusion.
He's probably got tons to base his on.
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Post by mosquito on Jul 30, 2014 9:14:19 GMT
Looking at our options now and the way we set up last night, with wingie and Cameron still missing, I am not sure if either will start games unless we have injuries. But will be very useful sub to bring on, but Redmond is still young and will only get better imo
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 9:15:02 GMT
Are we in danger of scuppering any future deal for this lad by continuing in our pursuit of Assaidi. Are we simply 'keeping him on the back burner' in case Assaidi blows us out , because it looks that way to me. I'm not being critical of Hughes in any way as he's obviously in a very difficult situation and wants the best deal for Stoke City , but in view of the time this is all taking and if a similar offer came in for Redmond from another club , then we shouldn't be surprised if he dumps us.! I think we should simply go for Redmond and end all this speculation . We could lose both targets otherwise. He does have a very good pedigree and will improve. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Redmond
Well why not let him sort it out then?
You've got absolutely zero information to go on, to come to your conclusion.
He's probably got tons to base his on.
So sorry ...My mistake. I thought this was a message board for Stoke City debate. I won't make the same mistake again with my absolutely zero information. I will walk away head bowed in embarrassment.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 9:16:53 GMT
If we did sign either Assaidi or Redmond then the manager has a nice headache, one we haven't seen in years.
Personally although i don't think he did that much at Norwich, with the right players around him and the right training he could become a cracking player for us. Plus he's only 20 (Redmond that is).
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 30, 2014 9:21:11 GMT
Well why not let him sort it out then?
You've got absolutely zero information to go on, to come to your conclusion.
He's probably got tons to base his on.
So sorry ...My mistake. I thought this was a message board for Stoke City debate. I won't make the same mistake again with my absolutely zero information. I will walk away head bowed in embarrassment.
There's nothing to debate though is there, everything you're suggesting is complete conjecture?
It'd be like me saying, it's really clever how Hughes is pretending to go for Assaidi and Redmond when he doesn't actually want either of them because his true target is somebody else.
It'd be based on nothing.
How do we debate something when we don't even know what you're suggesting is even true?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 9:21:20 GMT
Are we in danger of scuppering any future deal for this lad by continuing in our pursuit of Assaidi. Are we simply 'keeping him on the back burner' in case Assaidi blows us out , because it looks that way to me. I'm not being critical of Hughes in any way as he's obviously in a very difficult situation and wants the best deal for Stoke City , but in view of the time this is all taking and if a similar offer came in for Redmond from another club , then we shouldn't be surprised if he dumps us.! I think we should simply go for Redmond and end all this speculation . We could lose both targets otherwise. He does have a very good pedigree and will improve. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Redmond
Well why not let him sort it out then?
You've got absolutely zero information to go on, to come to your conclusion.
He's probably got tons to base his on.
to be fair Paul, the only way we think the ITK crew have any information is purely because they tell us they do. we can't just believe all they say because it's positive and then slate others because their fears are negative. i have no doubt that mumf has as much cast iron, nailed on info as the SL&P lot do but that doesn't stop them from posting does it? you say all mumf is posting is conjecture, no offence but all the SL&P lot tend to post is conjecture that's usually already been noted in social media and transfer rumour sites. no difference for me
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 30, 2014 9:28:40 GMT
Well why not let him sort it out then?
You've got absolutely zero information to go on, to come to your conclusion.
He's probably got tons to base his on.
to be fair Paul, the only way we think the ITK crew have any information is purely because they tell us they do. we can't just believe all they say because it's positive and then slate others because their fears are negative. i have no doubt that mumf has as much cast iron, nailed on info as the SL&P lot do but that doesn't stop them from posting does it? you say all mumf is posting is conjecture, no offence but all the SL&P lot tend to post is conjecture that's usually already been noted in social media and transfer rumour sites. no difference for me
Behave Millsy.
The two things are completely different.
Mumf is claiming he doesn't know something and openly admitting he doesn't know and then suggesting what the club should do about the situation, whilst at the same time claiming he's not being critical of the manager.
Just because you've got a beef with SLP hasn't got anything to do with the point I was making.
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Post by slpmarc on Jul 30, 2014 9:30:08 GMT
2nd bid has gone in for Redmond, so don't think we are waiting while Assaidi messes about How much for ? Do we know ? Don't know the bid, but we get the impression a player is attached to it, and with Cameron Jerome staying behind while other players that won't play have gone Germany, it would suggest he is the player and needs to be close but incase Norwich agree
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 30, 2014 9:36:58 GMT
Probably as good a move as Jerome could hope for actually although their signing of Gary O'Neil suggests they're not overreaching themselves in the transfer market!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 9:37:19 GMT
So sorry ...My mistake. I thought this was a message board for Stoke City debate. I won't make the same mistake again with my absolutely zero information. I will walk away head bowed in embarrassment.
There's nothing to debate though is there, everything you're suggesting is complete conjecture?
It'd be like me saying, it's really clever how Hughes is pretending to go for Assaidi and Redmond when he doesn't actually want either of them because his true target is somebody else.
It'd be based on nothing.
How do we debate something when we don't even know what you're suggesting is even true?
Dear Mr Spencer.... I know about the same as you . Shall we just shut the board down altogether and put an end to all this ''nothing'' and ''conjecture'' Lets talk about the weather instead shall we..? FFS !
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 9:38:13 GMT
to be fair Paul, the only way we think the ITK crew have any information is purely because they tell us they do. we can't just believe all they say because it's positive and then slate others because their fears are negative. i have no doubt that mumf has as much cast iron, nailed on info as the SL&P lot do but that doesn't stop them from posting does it? you say all mumf is posting is conjecture, no offence but all the SL&P lot tend to post is conjecture that's usually already been noted in social media and transfer rumour sites. no difference for me
Behave Millsy.
The two things are completely different.
Mumf is claiming he doesn't know something and openly admitting he doesn't know and then suggesting what the club should do about the situation, whilst at the same time claiming he's not being critical of the manager.
Just because you've got a beef with SLP hasn't got anything to do with the point I was making.
i don't have beef with SL&P Paul...i take the piss but do that to plenty of other people regardless of their ITK status just saying that i don't believe for a second they have any concrete info about anything and neither does mumf. i think it's a valid concern he's got and the same kind of comment you get on all the transfer related threads (how many times did we see people telling Bojan/Diouf to fuck off and stop pissing us about, move on to the next target if he's not playing ball etc.) the only info we have that the club aren't stalling (and if they are then mumf's concerns are perfectly common sensical) is coming from SL&P and even the stuff they've got right is only because the goalposts were moved by them as and when the news was being made public to everyone (Bojan's coming...he's happy with everything....then he stays in Barca saying he wants to play his way into their side...then he's definitely coming again on loan...then after it becomes public it's not a loan it's a perm transfer etc.) if we going to allow people who claim to have insider knowledge (when that's very much open for debate) to say what they want then you have to allow those that don't simply take what the ITKs say as gospel to voice their reasonable concerns. wouldn't be the first time we've screwed about with transfers and lost out by focussing too much on just one player.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 30, 2014 9:44:19 GMT
Behave Millsy.
The two things are completely different.
Mumf is claiming he doesn't know something and openly admitting he doesn't know and then suggesting what the club should do about the situation, whilst at the same time claiming he's not being critical of the manager.
Just because you've got a beef with SLP hasn't got anything to do with the point I was making.
i don't have beef with SL&P Paul...i take the piss but do that to plenty of other people regardless of their ITK status just saying that i don't believe for a second they have any concrete info about anything and neither does mumf. i think it's a valid concern he's got and the same kind of comment you get on all the transfer related threads (how many times did we see people telling Bojan/Diouf to fuck off and stop pissing us about, move on to the next target if he's not playing ball etc.) the only info we have that the club aren't stalling (and if they are then mumf's concerns are perfectly common sensical) is coming from SL&P and even the stuff they've got right is only because the goalposts were moved by them as and when the news was being made public to everyone (Bojan's coming...he's happy with everything....then he stays in Barca saying he wants to play his way into their side...then he's definitely coming again on loan...then after it becomes public it's not a loan it's a perm transfer etc.) if we going to allow people who claim to have insider knowledge (when that's very much open for debate) to say what they want then you have to allow those that don't simply take what the ITKs say as gospel to voice their reasonable concerns. wouldn't be the first time we've screwed about with transfers and lost out by focussing too much on just one player.
The difference for me Millsy, is that SL&P claim to know something and if you want to believe them or not is entirely up to the reader but there is grounds then to have a discussion about it, if you do choose to believe them.
Mumf is claiming NOT to know something and then wanting to have a discussion about it.
Indeed chap and just as silly imho.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 9:46:47 GMT
i don't have beef with SL&P Paul...i take the piss but do that to plenty of other people regardless of their ITK status just saying that i don't believe for a second they have any concrete info about anything and neither does mumf. i think it's a valid concern he's got and the same kind of comment you get on all the transfer related threads (how many times did we see people telling Bojan/Diouf to fuck off and stop pissing us about, move on to the next target if he's not playing ball etc.) the only info we have that the club aren't stalling (and if they are then mumf's concerns are perfectly common sensical) is coming from SL&P and even the stuff they've got right is only because the goalposts were moved by them as and when the news was being made public to everyone (Bojan's coming...he's happy with everything....then he stays in Barca saying he wants to play his way into their side...then he's definitely coming again on loan...then after it becomes public it's not a loan it's a perm transfer etc.) if we going to allow people who claim to have insider knowledge (when that's very much open for debate) to say what they want then you have to allow those that don't simply take what the ITKs say as gospel to voice their reasonable concerns. wouldn't be the first time we've screwed about with transfers and lost out by focussing too much on just one player.
The difference for me Millsy, is that SL&P claim to know something and if you want to believe them or not is entirely up to the reader but there is grounds then to have a discussion about it, if you do choose to believe them.
Mumf is claiming NOT to know something and then wanting to have a discussion about it.
Indeed chap and just as silly imho.
yeah see what you're saying Paul....maybe we should retitle the thread "Open discussion for those that openly admit they know fuck all" as an alternative to the Summer Transfer thread (which should be retitled "The I know more than you do and my Facebook page is better and has more followers than yours so therefore my rumour is right ner ner ner ner ner" thread)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 9:48:33 GMT
So following on from Mr Spencers logic ....
In order to discuss anything on here you MUST BE AWARE OF THE FULL FACTS !
You must not take any notice of the newspaper and media reports as they be false and misleading.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
mumf
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 9:51:03 GMT
The difference for me Millsy, is that SL&P claim to know something and if you want to believe them or not is entirely up to the reader but there is grounds then to have a discussion about it, if you do choose to believe them.
Mumf is claiming NOT to know something and then wanting to have a discussion about it.
Indeed chap and just as silly imho.
yeah see what you're saying Paul....maybe we should retitle the thread "Open discussion for those that openly admit they know fuck all" as an alternative to the Summer Transfer thread (which should be retitled "The I know more than you do and my Facebook page is better and has more followers than yours so therefore my rumour is right ner ner ner ner ner" thread) Brilliant. I agree though. We'll post stuff we hear and there's no obligation to believe it, but if nothing else it stirs up some debate over the long Premier League-less summer.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Jul 30, 2014 9:53:45 GMT
Well why not let him sort it out then?
You've got absolutely zero information to go on, to come to your conclusion.
He's probably got tons to base his on.
to be fair Paul, the only way we think the ITK crew have any information is purely because they tell us they do. we can't just believe all they say because it's positive and then slate others because their fears are negative. i have no doubt that mumf has as much cast iron, nailed on info as the SL&P lot do but that doesn't stop them from posting does it? you say all mumf is posting is conjecture, no offence but all the SL&P lot tend to post is conjecture that's usually already been noted in social media and transfer rumour sites. no difference for me With apologies to Jimmy Carr... If anyone is wondering whether people who claim to be ITK do in fact typically have reliable and authoritative information about transfer activity, which then finds its way on to the messageboards, there's an easy way to tell. They don't. (Of course, I could be wrong...)...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 9:54:00 GMT
yeah see what you're saying Paul....maybe we should retitle the thread "Open discussion for those that openly admit they know fuck all" as an alternative to the Summer Transfer thread (which should be retitled "The I know more than you do and my Facebook page is better and has more followers than yours so therefore my rumour is right ner ner ner ner ner" thread) Brilliant. I agree though. We'll post stuff we hear and there's no obligation to believe it, but if nothing else it stirs up some debate over the long Premier League-less summer. completely agree mate, it's all a bit of fun and you just pass on info you hear and there's sod all wrong with that. people can choose whether to believe it or not themselves. like i said i know i take the piss out of you guys but i do that with everyone so it's nothing personal. i don't see anything wrong with a thread for those who don't take it all as gospel though and they are understandably going to have concerns on this one given our history with fucking up transfers over the years
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Post by DelapsWankingArm on Jul 30, 2014 9:55:18 GMT
He's set to join Southampton according to some reports.
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Post by stokiejoe on Jul 30, 2014 9:57:14 GMT
May I say from the outset that I know nothing so apologise for wasting everyone's valuable time with an uninformed opinion, but here goes:- I prefer Redmond to Assaidi. Hope that it is alright with everyone for me to express my opinion. Your humble poster Stokiejoe
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 30, 2014 9:58:28 GMT
So following on from Mr Spencers logic .... In order to discuss anything on here you MUST BE AWARE OF THE FULL FACTS ! You must not take any notice of the newspaper and media reports as they be false and misleading. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. mumf
Not at all but you're knicker wetting over something which you don't even know is an issue or not.
As Millsy has said, look at all the people who who were saying that we should move on from Bojan and that we should move on from Diouf because their transfers were taking too long.
You don't know what's going on behind the scenes - leave the people who do to it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 9:58:53 GMT
He's set to join Southampton according to some reports. "Nathan do you fancy coming to St. Mary's then? we've got a cracking line up this year with some reserve players, players from the U16 sqaud joining up and a few blokes we spotted out the back of the concourse playing knock out wembley"
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 30, 2014 9:59:44 GMT
I wouldn't have said this last September, but I am now far more trusting of MH and his/the transfer team.
They clearly rate Redmond, but we don't want to get into a bidding competition with Southampton. I also suspect the boss, PC, has put his foot down and said they have to "balance" the number of players on the books; "we" can't just keep adding more and more players to the employee register. So progress has to be made in selling/moving on players as a matter of urgency now, following the Palacios failed move and apparent* lack of interest (in terms of hard bids) in Stoke's older players.
Let's hope Norwich took/take an interest in Jerome's performance last night. *we aren't privy of course to what is going on behind the scenes (except those ITK who are very quiet lately)
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 30, 2014 10:01:44 GMT
May I say from the outset that I know nothing so apologise for wasting everyone's valuable time with an uninformed opinion, but here goes:- I prefer Redmond to Assaidi.Hope that it is alright with everyone for me to express my opinion. Your humble poster Stokiejoe
Now that's discussion.
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Post by RAF on Jul 30, 2014 10:07:16 GMT
May I say from the outset that I know nothing so apologise for wasting everyone's valuable time with an uninformed opinion, but here goes:- I prefer Redmond to Assaidi.Hope that it is alright with everyone for me to express my opinion. Your humble poster Stokiejoe
Now that's discussion.
No, that is a statement. H
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 30, 2014 10:09:03 GMT
Now that's discussion.
No, that is a statement. H
Yeah you're right but in the context of the thread I think you get my point.
Really, I should have said that I prefer Assaidi to make it into a discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 10:10:06 GMT
May I say from the outset that I know nothing so apologise for wasting everyone's valuable time with an uninformed opinion, but here goes:- I prefer Redmond to Assaidi. Hope that it is alright with everyone for me to express my opinion. Your humble poster Stokiejoe ;D I'm with you Joe, I'd rather have Redmond as well.
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