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Post by crouchbot on Aug 12, 2014 10:22:46 GMT
Have you not noticed what the discussion for the last day has been about on this thread?
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Post by a.d.faye.god on Aug 12, 2014 10:29:25 GMT
Have you not noticed what the discussion for the last day has been about on this thread? Yes but the article got updated this morning about 20 mins before I posted
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 10:39:10 GMT
I would prefer Assaidi if at all possible. As I've posted on another thread before, I believe he could become one of the best wingers in t he premiership, if he came to us. The potential was there for all to see last season! Must admit though,you cannot fault Mark Hughes signings up to now, so if he thinks Redmond is right for us, who are we to argue?
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 12, 2014 10:44:44 GMT
Very difficult to see why Stoke are offering so much for Redmond. His record has no significant merit, and he is certainly not a goal scorer, which is Stoke's major weakness since getting into the Prem.
Either MH can see something in the guy that I can't from his record, or this negotiation is a bluff to put the squeeze on Assiadi's agent, or deflect attention from other targets.
Stoke have been on a long search for a winger and targets have signed elsewhere (except Assaidi); I hope the move for Redmond is not desperation. Stoke do need someone to inject pace and stretch the opposition, when the starting XIs are tiring.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 10:50:33 GMT
He has literally JUST turned 20, so he's still a little raw really but I personally do think the talent is there! I don't think he is being added to the squad to solve our goalscoring problems or even as a possible starter at all, think instead he would play cup games and be viewed as 'one for the future'
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Post by wembley4372 on Aug 12, 2014 10:52:49 GMT
Why are we bothering with Redmond, surely our feeder club has a winger we can take. I trust Hughes judgement , but in all honesty I don't think he's worth £5 million....£3 million. Nowhere near as good as Assaidi in my view. No problem at all with LMH's signings record to date. This will be his most expensive signing so he must see something. I struggle to see where he is better than Assaidi, he reminds me more of Wrighties lad another headless chicken
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Post by PONTAFCE on Aug 12, 2014 11:05:24 GMT
I trust Hughes judgement , but in all honesty I don't think he's worth £5 million....£3 million. Nowhere near as good as Assaidi in my view. No problem at all with LMH's signings record to date. This will be his most expensive signing so he must see something. I struggle to see where he is better than Assaidi, he reminds me more of Wrighties lad another headless chicken I think he's a Tom Ince,Wilfred Zaha type all hype and nout special.
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Post by Silkystoke on Aug 12, 2014 11:22:11 GMT
am glad am not the only one who dunna want him, too fast and forget's the ball, does'nt think, can't cross and dunna score goals, move on STOKE, please...!!!!
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Post by redstriper on Aug 12, 2014 11:29:38 GMT
rather have assaidi - but that said. Redmond has ability and would be another exciting addition to our ranks
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 12, 2014 11:31:19 GMT
I never know what to make of these 'he's still a young, raw pup who's got plenty of time to develop and work off the rough edges of his game' arguments.
Wingers are erratic by nature - and those headless chicken-y Lennon/Zaha-types never really seem to mature or refine their game massively. If they lack the decision-making skills and a cool head at key moments, it tends to dog their careers. Walcott seems to have improved quite a bit in that department, so maybe there is hope.
But they have got physical gifts that you can't teach.
He definitely could be a good weapon off the bench against tiring defenders - and let's face it, that's all he's going to be, certainly for this season if he comes?
And he's going to retain most of his value regardless.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 12, 2014 11:31:38 GMT
Says on twitter 2nd bid turned down. Did Norwich see him play on Sunday. I'd move abroad now.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 12, 2014 11:42:07 GMT
Says on twitter 2nd bid turned down. Did Norwich see him play on Sunday. I'd move abroad now. This tweet?Can't see any other reference to it?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 12, 2014 11:44:32 GMT
MH just been on SSN says there is an interest but he's a Norwich player and under contract. Currently nothing happening.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Aug 12, 2014 11:50:25 GMT
Obviously a contrary view to the mass consensus but I would much rather see us sign Redmond than Assaidi. I've seen him playing from a kid in the youth teams at Birmingham and have always thought he is a future England star. His performances for the U21's have only heightened that view.
For me he is at 20 a far more exciting and pacy prospect than Assaidi who, in my view was poor and predictable for most full backs for more games last season than those he played well in. I understand the inconsistency of wingers but at 25 I'm not sure he is the real deal at the price. People seem to have remembered only his fine finish to the season.
Just my view.
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Post by werrington on Aug 12, 2014 11:50:44 GMT
Says on twitter 2nd bid turned down. Did Norwich see him play on Sunday. I'd move abroad now. 2 points here Are you judging him by one game ?.....if so did you watch our game v Norwich at the Brit last season when 1-11 we were appalling if you see what I'm trying to say ? Also Cobham as for moving abroad surely it's to the detriment of the English game and robbing young English talent of progressing and to the detriment of the national side ? It's not meant to be a personal dig mate but comments like that are not thought through and used too freely on here
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 12, 2014 11:55:28 GMT
Says on twitter 2nd bid turned down. Did Norwich see him play on Sunday. I'd move abroad now. 2 points here Are you judging him by one game ?.....if so did you watch our game v Norwich at the Brit last season when 1-11 we were appalling if you see what I'm trying to say ? Also Cobham as for moving abroad surely it's to the detriment of the English game and robbing young English talent of progressing and to the detriment of the national side ? It's not meant to be a personal dig mate but comments like that are not thought through and used too freely on here Not disagreeing with you but until our players are priced sensibly things won't change. I'd rather have an English lad coming through but clubs / agents are the problem. They're there own worst enemy.
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Post by stokecitytalke on Aug 12, 2014 11:58:04 GMT
As Redmond is only just 20 he has got time to develop his skills like when to cross or shoot. What can't be coached (within reason) is his inherent speed.
I would think in 5 years time he would be a lot better player than Assiadi is now.
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Post by Block 22 on Aug 12, 2014 12:00:38 GMT
Says on twitter 2nd bid turned down. Did Norwich see him play on Sunday. I'd move abroad now. 2 points here Are you judging him by one game ?.....if so did you watch our game v Norwich at the Brit last season when 1-11 we were appalling if you see what I'm trying to say ? Also Cobham as for moving abroad surely it's to the detriment of the English game and robbing young English talent of progressing and to the detriment of the national side ? It's not meant to be a personal dig mate but comments like that are not thought through and used too freely on here Even if we were to buy english prospects it wouldn't stop the other 19 premier league clubs from fishing for players overseas. It's not something we can repair on our own. It is a known fact that you get better players for the price if you search the european leagues and I will always put the good of Stoke above our national side.
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Post by stokeypieman on Aug 12, 2014 12:01:41 GMT
I wonder if with Assaidi's fitness record that we could buy both him and Redmond for cover?
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 12, 2014 12:04:07 GMT
Never understood why we weren't in for Redmond before last season when Norwich got him for £2M! That was a no risk deal really!
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Post by foster on Aug 12, 2014 12:04:37 GMT
Just pay the 6m asking price and get it done. It's a no brainer for me. Young English talent that could be worth a hell of a lot more in couple of years.
Worst case we sell him after a season or two for pretty much the same price.
Not sure why people think 5 or 6 million is a lot in today's market. There's a limit as to how many players you can get from the dogs home on the cheap.
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Post by Danstoke82 on Aug 12, 2014 12:05:36 GMT
You have to wonder just how much Norwich actually believe they can get for Redmond if they have turned down our second bid.
Be sensible Norwich.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 12, 2014 12:06:23 GMT
I think they will have rejected the bid also.
Looking objectively at the criteria, Norwich will definitely think £5m is not a lot.
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Post by werrington on Aug 12, 2014 12:07:40 GMT
2 points here Are you judging him by one game ?.....if so did you watch our game v Norwich at the Brit last season when 1-11 we were appalling if you see what I'm trying to say ? Also Cobham as for moving abroad surely it's to the detriment of the English game and robbing young English talent of progressing and to the detriment of the national side ? It's not meant to be a personal dig mate but comments like that are not thought through and used too freely on here Even if we were to buy english prospects it wouldn't stop the other 19 premier league clubs from fishing for players overseas. It's not something we can repair on our own. It is a known fact that you get better players for the price if you search the european leagues and I will always put the good of Stoke above our national side. Liverpool and Man Utd seem to be going down the English route with many of their signings though .....it's got to start being the norm A successful national side would give the game a massive lift and would benefit all clubs Anyway we are digressing slightly but I'd love to see Redmond here if I'm being honest just as I would of liked Tom Ince as they both would fit the way we play
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Post by werrington on Aug 12, 2014 12:10:26 GMT
I wonder if with Assaidi's fitness record that we could buy both him and Redmond for cover? It's not one or the other .....we want them them both
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 12, 2014 12:12:16 GMT
Even if we were to buy english prospects it wouldn't stop the other 19 premier league clubs from fishing for players overseas. It's not something we can repair on our own. It is a known fact that you get better players for the price if you search the european leagues and I will always put the good of Stoke above our national side. Liverpool and Man Utd seem to be going down the English route with many of their signings though .....it's got to start being the norm A successful national side would give the game a massive lift and would benefit all clubs Anyway we are digressing slightly but I'd love to see Redmond here if I'm being honest just as I would of liked Tom Ince as they both would fit the way we play The big issue being that they can afford to pay 37m for a pretty untested LB and 22m for a decent midfielder we can't. If we could get Redmond for 5m in comparison that would be an excellent deal.
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Post by foster on Aug 12, 2014 12:15:03 GMT
Liverpool and Man Utd seem to be going down the English route with many of their signings though .....it's got to start being the norm A successful national side would give the game a massive lift and would benefit all clubs Anyway we are digressing slightly but I'd love to see Redmond here if I'm being honest just as I would of liked Tom Ince as they both would fit the way we play The big issue being that they can afford to pay 37m for a pretty untested LB and 22m for a decent midfielder we can't. If we could get Redmond for 5m in comparison that would be an excellent deal. Two deals that show just how much you can potentially make with English players that go on to reach their potential.(or are perceived to). Go on Nathan. Hand in that transfer request. You know you want to.
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Post by Sfance on Aug 12, 2014 12:16:31 GMT
Given that Assaidi's behavior to date, as far as can be seen, suggests that he doesn't much care whether he comes back to Stoke, and given his dodgy injury record and given the age difference and the likely sell-on value, I'd go with Redmond. Yes, he's going to cost more than he did when Norwich acquired him but just because we could've got him for less in the past doesn't mean we shouldn't buy him now. As for goals, we have Bojan and Diouf now. Our need is more for someone with pace to feed them.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 12, 2014 12:17:05 GMT
I have a friend ( honestly, I have, just the one) who has been a season ticket holder at Norwich for years and whose opinion I respect. He rated Snodgrass , rates Leroy Fer but only rates Redmond as average. From what I have seen I would prefer Assaidi who I think has great potential to be even better than last season.
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Post by Block 22 on Aug 12, 2014 12:21:43 GMT
Liverpool and Man Utd seem to be going down the English route with many of their signings though .....it's got to start being the norm A successful national side would give the game a massive lift and would benefit all clubs Anyway we are digressing slightly but I'd love to see Redmond here if I'm being honest just as I would of liked Tom Ince as they both would fit the way we play The big issue being that they can afford to pay 37m for a pretty untested LB and 22m for a decent midfielder we can't. If we could get Redmond for 5m in comparison that would be an excellent deal. It is an excellent deal in comparison to the higher profile English signings. Those prices were ludicrous though. £5m for redmond or £3m for Yohan Cabaye - just one of many comparisons.
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