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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 15:01:49 GMT
Yes shit. Shaqiri aside it's all rather disappointing and the starting XI is weaker than what we finished with last season and it will take 3 signings to address that. Not shit in any way. Apart from selling 2 of our best players, losing a third and not replacing him (Moses) and then losing the captain and no replacing him. And then signing a load of average squad players that we don't overly need and one massive signing that all of our hopes lie on whilst we pray to God the makeshift centre back and the inexperienced central midfielder hold out. Yeah mint.
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Post by charlietarling on Aug 31, 2015 15:32:23 GMT
As I mentioned before it would be criminal to not pursue this opportunity whether it comes off or not. Yes we all know that we need a nzonzi replacement and perhaps in hindsight a cheap cb who has top flight experience but any chance of signing this sort of quality should not be written off or just cast aside. I suspect that our chances have all be been sealed with regards to this but until the fat lady sings you just never know
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Post by ukcstokie on Aug 31, 2015 15:41:41 GMT
Apart from selling 2 of our best players, losing a third and not replacing him (Moses) and then losing the captain and no replacing him. And then signing a load of average squad players that we don't overly need and one massive signing that all of our hopes lie on whilst we pray to God the makeshift centre back and the inexperienced central midfielder hold out. Yeah mint. We've replaced Moses Shaq (and improved upon him). We've replaced Bego with Butland (and on the basis of what we've seen last season from Bego and this season from Jack, improved the team). We've replace Nzonzi with MVG. Give him a chance. Apart from in the re-written history of a few posters on the Oatcake, Nzonzi really wasn't a world beater. We've haven't lost our captain. He should be back in ~10 weeks (including 3 international break weeks).
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 15:47:54 GMT
Apart from selling 2 of our best players, losing a third and not replacing him (Moses) and then losing the captain and no replacing him. And then signing a load of average squad players that we don't overly need and one massive signing that all of our hopes lie on whilst we pray to God the makeshift centre back and the inexperienced central midfielder hold out. Yeah mint. We've replaced Moses Shaq (and improved upon him). We've replaced Bego with Butland (and on the basis of what we've seen last season from Bego and this season from Jack, improved the team). We've replace Nzonzi with MVG. Give him a chance. Apart from in the re-written history of a few posters on the Oatcake, Nzonzi really wasn't a world beater. We've haven't lost our captain. He should be back in ~10 weeks (including 3 international break weeks). No, we still need a left sided winger. Shaqiri was always needed on top of that. We have, don't think he's improved the team mind but he's played well. I am giving him a chance, he's the only hope we have in midfield (to partner Glenn). And disagree completely, he was a seriously underrated player by most on here and in real life for far too long. 10 weeks? I think we'll do well to see him after Christmas. And that's with everything crossed!
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 31, 2015 15:58:02 GMT
We've replaced Moses Shaq (and improved upon him). We've replaced Bego with Butland (and on the basis of what we've seen last season from Bego and this season from Jack, improved the team). We've replace Nzonzi with MVG. Give him a chance. Apart from in the re-written history of a few posters on the Oatcake, Nzonzi really wasn't a world beater. We've haven't lost our captain. He should be back in ~10 weeks (including 3 international break weeks). No, we still need a left sided winger. Shaqiri was always needed on top of that. We have, don't think he's improved the team mind but he's played well. I am giving him a chance, he's the only hope we have in midfield (to partner Glenn). And disagree completely, he was a seriously underrated player by most on here and in real life for far too long. 10 weeks? I think we'll do well to see him after Christmas. And that's with everything crossed! I think Bayern is right about wingers and CH. Shaqiri was signed as an upgrade on Walters but Arnie can be inconsistent and we have no depth of cover on the wings, especially if Walters goes (and we can't really stop him). Ryan has had a serious operation in a notoriously difficult area (back). We can't count on a swift return to either fitness or form and so SHOULD plan accordingly. We appear to have the numbers to cover at CH for short term injuries, suspensions etc but Ryan is our STAR defender and we don't have anyone else anywhere near his quality. He could be out for a very long time and we need to replace his quality in the defence.
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Post by upthefud on Aug 31, 2015 15:58:59 GMT
I agree that we've replaced Bego with Butland and that looks to be an improvement given this seasons form.
I was never in the N'Zonzi is a world beater camp but the attempt to replace him with MVG and Afellay isn't working.
Moses' pace is a huge loss.
Shawcross being injured is a huge concern as well
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Post by miggo on Aug 31, 2015 16:01:54 GMT
Apart from selling 2 of our best players, losing a third and not replacing him (Moses) and then losing the captain and no replacing him. And then signing a load of average squad players that we don't overly need and one massive signing that all of our hopes lie on whilst we pray to God the makeshift centre back and the inexperienced central midfielder hold out. Yeah mint. We've replaced Moses Shaq (and improved upon him). We've replaced Bego with Butland (and on the basis of what we've seen last season from Bego and this season from Jack, improved the team). We've replace Nzonzi with MVG. Give him a chance. Apart from in the re-written history of a few posters on the Oatcake, Nzonzi really wasn't a world beater. We've haven't lost our captain. He should be back in ~10 weeks (including 3 international break weeks). This. I really wish people would give our team time to gel before coming out with ridiculous statements. This is the strongest squad of players we have ever had, yes it's a blow to lose N Zonzi but the guy didn't want to be here so what could we have done ? If Chelsea were willing to spend £11m on VG I'm sure the quality is there he just needs time as did N Zonzi who was also labelled not good enough when he first came here. But land has been our best player so far this season and more than fills begos gloves. I'd love nothing more than to sign a leader at the back as a short term replacement for shawcross but you can the club justify paying out 40k+ a week for 2 month replacement. Our squad is huge at the moment and we have already brought in more than enough players for now, we can't just continue bringing players in to paper over the cracks. In hindsight we should not have brought wolly in and signed someone we all have a little more confidence in but the manager rated him enough to sign him and he knows more about what makes a good football player than we ever will so we have to trust he knows what he's doing.
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Post by baystokie on Aug 31, 2015 16:08:12 GMT
We've replaced Moses Shaq (and improved upon him). We've replaced Bego with Butland (and on the basis of what we've seen last season from Bego and this season from Jack, improved the team). We've replace Nzonzi with MVG. Give him a chance. Apart from in the re-written history of a few posters on the Oatcake, Nzonzi really wasn't a world beater. We've haven't lost our captain. He should be back in ~10 weeks (including 3 international break weeks). This. I really wish people would give our team time to gel before coming out with ridiculous statements. This is the strongest squad of players we have ever had, yes it's a blow to lose N Zonzi but the guy didn't want to be here so what could we have done ? If Chelsea were willing to spend £11m on VG I'm sure the quality is there he just needs time as did N Zonzi who was also labelled not good enough when he first came here. But land has been our best player so far this season and more than fills begos gloves. I'd love nothing more than to sign a leader at the back as a short term replacement for shawcross but you can the club justify paying out 40k+ a week for 2 month replacement. Our squad is huge at the moment and we have already brought in more than enough players for now, we can't just continue bringing players in to paper over the cracks. In hindsight we should not have brought wolly in and signed someone we all have a little more confidence in but the manager rated him enough to sign him and he knows more about what makes a good football player than we ever will so we have to trust he knows what he's doing. A bit of calm reason/sense amongst the despair.
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Post by ukcstokie on Aug 31, 2015 16:09:14 GMT
We've replaced Moses Shaq (and improved upon him). We've replaced Bego with Butland (and on the basis of what we've seen last season from Bego and this season from Jack, improved the team). We've replace Nzonzi with MVG. Give him a chance. Apart from in the re-written history of a few posters on the Oatcake, Nzonzi really wasn't a world beater. We've haven't lost our captain. He should be back in ~10 weeks (including 3 international break weeks). No, we still need a left sided winger. Shaqiri was always needed on top of that. We have, don't think he's improved the team mind but he's played well. I am giving him a chance, he's the only hope we have in midfield (to partner Glenn). And disagree completely, he was a seriously underrated player by most on here and in real life for far too long. 10 weeks? I think we'll do well to see him after Christmas. And that's with everything crossed!
Nzonzi was brilliant at ball retention.
He wasn't particularly brilliant at: - driving us forwards (too often he'd slow attacks down just to retain the ball. There's a time for ball retention and there's a time for taking a risk) - positional discipline (couldn't play the DM role for toffee) - goal scoring (2 goals/season for a player who is 6'3" and spends an awful lot of his time in the attacking third is quite frankly dreadful).
We aren't going to replace him with a like-for-like. We'll have to change the team's game somewhat to accommodate MVG, Adam, or Cameron.
There's too many writing Ryan off. He was estimated to be out for 3 months. That would put him back in time (all being well) for the Soton game on the 21st November. That's 8 games away. If the doctors and surgeons are saying 3 months then that's what we should plan for. The way some are talking we may as well pay up his contract now.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 31, 2015 16:10:06 GMT
We've replaced Moses Shaq (and improved upon him). We've replaced Bego with Butland (and on the basis of what we've seen last season from Bego and this season from Jack, improved the team). We've replace Nzonzi with MVG. Give him a chance. Apart from in the re-written history of a few posters on the Oatcake, Nzonzi really wasn't a world beater. We've haven't lost our captain. He should be back in ~10 weeks (including 3 international break weeks). This. I really wish people would give our team time to gel before coming out with ridiculous statements. This is the strongest squad of players we have ever had, yes it's a blow to lose N Zonzi but the guy didn't want to be here so what could we have done ? If Chelsea were willing to spend £11m on VG I'm sure the quality is there he just needs time as did N Zonzi who was also labelled not good enough when he first came here. But land has been our best player so far this season and more than fills begos gloves. I'd love nothing more than to sign a leader at the back as a short term replacement for shawcross but you can the club justify paying out 40k+ a week for 2 month replacement. Our squad is huge at the moment and we have already brought in more than enough players for now, we can't just continue bringing players in to paper over the cracks. In hindsight we should not have brought wolly in and signed someone we all have a little more confidence in but the manager rated him enough to sign him and he knows more about what makes a good football player than we ever will so we have to trust he knows what he's doing. Excellent post, Wolly will get another chance, once the squad can settle I think he will prove to be a valuable player for us. Lots of adjustments to the Prem, not least the mindset of playing in this league - he hasn't got this yet imo
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 16:15:01 GMT
No, we still need a left sided winger. Shaqiri was always needed on top of that. We have, don't think he's improved the team mind but he's played well. I am giving him a chance, he's the only hope we have in midfield (to partner Glenn). And disagree completely, he was a seriously underrated player by most on here and in real life for far too long. 10 weeks? I think we'll do well to see him after Christmas. And that's with everything crossed!
Nzonzi was brilliant at ball retention.
He wasn't particularly brilliant at: - driving us forwards (too often he'd slow attacks down just to retain the ball. There's a time for ball retention and there's a time for taking a risk) - positional discipline (couldn't play the DM role for toffee) - goal scoring (2 goals/season for a player who is 6'3" and spends an awful lot of his time in the attacking third is quite frankly dreadful).
We aren't going to replace him with a like-for-like. We'll have to change the team's game somewhat to accommodate MVG, Adam, or Cameron.
There's too many writing Ryan off. He was estimated to be out for 3 months. That would put him back in time (all being well) for the Soton game on the 21st November. That's 8 games away. If the doctors and surgeons are saying 3 months then that's what we should plan for. The way some are talking we may as well pay up his contract now.
He was and in the first season that was absolutely key in our transition from TP to football. I don't think he did. I would say 99% of his passes were the correct ones. He wasn't the DM. He wasn't in the team to score goals. He was in the team to keep the ball. If he did so little surely it'll be easy? Not writing him off per se. Just worried about what a bad back can mean for someone coming from experience! And it doesn't worry that for 6/7 months we were told it'd be fine and there's nothing really up then he needs surgery and will be out for "at least" 3 months?
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 31, 2015 16:19:14 GMT
This. I really wish people would give our team time to gel before coming out with ridiculous statements. This is the strongest squad of players we have ever had, yes it's a blow to lose N Zonzi but the guy didn't want to be here so what could we have done ? If Chelsea were willing to spend £11m on VG I'm sure the quality is there he just needs time as did N Zonzi who was also labelled not good enough when he first came here. But land has been our best player so far this season and more than fills begos gloves. I'd love nothing more than to sign a leader at the back as a short term replacement for shawcross but you can the club justify paying out 40k+ a week for 2 month replacement. Our squad is huge at the moment and we have already brought in more than enough players for now, we can't just continue bringing players in to paper over the cracks. In hindsight we should not have brought wolly in and signed someone we all have a little more confidence in but the manager rated him enough to sign him and he knows more about what makes a good football player than we ever will so we have to trust he knows what he's doing. Excellent post, Wolly will get another chance, once the squad can settle I think he will prove to be a valuable player for us. Lots of adjustments to the Prem, not least the mindset of playing in this league - he hasn't got this yet imo I'm not panicking at all and I really hope Wolly turns out to be all that Hughes hoped. Just pointing out that he was signed (presummably) to partner Ryan, our stand-out qulaity CH. We've sold Huth but have numbers to cover at CH but what we don't have is anyone of the quality of Ryan if (as seems likely) he's out for a lengthy period. If we are simply hoping that Wolly turns into Ryan overnight I fear we may be very disappointed. You can't replace the quality of Ryan at the back with what we've got over an extended period. It's asking for trouble. IMO we would be sensible to invest in a quality CH. We don't know when Ryan will be back, how long for him to get fit after such an injury/operation or how long for him to get back to top form. We are taking a big gamble if we don't address this IMO.
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Aug 31, 2015 16:23:42 GMT
I agree that we've replaced Bego with Butland and that looks to be an improvement given this seasons form. I was never in the N'Zonzi is a world beater camp but the attempt to replace him with MVG and Afellay isn't working. Moses' pace is a huge loss. Shawcross being injured is a huge concern as well I'm not sure I ever saw anybody on here claim he was a world beater - but he was very good in the role he played. More importantly though the Whelan + N'Zonzi + Adam/Ireland/Bojan midfield combination was far and away the most balanced and effective midfield we have had in the premiership - it's not just about one player it's a team game.MVG will come good but he is a different player to N'Zonzi and we haven't found that balance yet. Incidentaly from what I have seen this season so far Steven Ireland looks to be fitter and faster than last season - he deserves more game time than he has had because he's clever player but like everyother player he needs the right players round him to be at his most effective.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 16:26:51 GMT
Excellent post, Wolly will get another chance, once the squad can settle I think he will prove to be a valuable player for us. Lots of adjustments to the Prem, not least the mindset of playing in this league - he hasn't got this yet imo I'm not panicking at all and I really hope Wolly turns out to be all that Hughes hoped. Just pointing out that he was signed (presummably) to partner Ryan, our stand-out qulaity CH. We've sold Huth but have numbers to cover at CH but what we don't have is anyone of the quality of Ryan if (as seems likely) he's out for a lengthy period. If we are simply hoping that Wolly turns into Ryan overnight I fear we may be very disappointed. You can't replace the quality of Ryan at the back with what we've got over an extended period. It's asking for trouble. IMO we would be sensible to invest in a quality CH. We don't know when Ryan will be back, how long for him to get fit after such an injury/operation or how long for him to get back to top form. We are taking a big gamble if we don't address this IMO. Do you think he was signed to partner Ryan? If he is then that really is frightening given how bad they looked together. I can only say from what I saw between them on the pitch but I'd highly suspect Ryan doesn't trust Wolly as far as he could throw him!
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 31, 2015 16:36:19 GMT
I'm not panicking at all and I really hope Wolly turns out to be all that Hughes hoped. Just pointing out that he was signed (presummably) to partner Ryan, our stand-out qulaity CH. We've sold Huth but have numbers to cover at CH but what we don't have is anyone of the quality of Ryan if (as seems likely) he's out for a lengthy period. If we are simply hoping that Wolly turns into Ryan overnight I fear we may be very disappointed. You can't replace the quality of Ryan at the back with what we've got over an extended period. It's asking for trouble. IMO we would be sensible to invest in a quality CH. We don't know when Ryan will be back, how long for him to get fit after such an injury/operation or how long for him to get back to top form. We are taking a big gamble if we don't address this IMO. Do you think he was signed to partner Ryan? If he is then that really is frightening given how bad they looked together. I can only say from what I saw between them on the pitch but I'd highly suspect Ryan doesn't trust Wolly as far as he could throw him! I think that's true based on what we've seen so far but I don't think that Hughes signed him to be behind Wilson, Cameron and Muniesa in the pecking order. I think he's probably just disappointed that Wolly hasn't (as yet) loooked the part. Anyway, my point is that any combination of the players mentioned are fine to come in short-term and cover for injuries and suspensions but you have to think thet Ryan (our ONE real quality CH) will be missing for a lengthy period. We can look at all the possible combinations but, if I'm honest, we look a bloody sight weaker without Ryan there for an extended period. Stoke are talking about maintaining or 'stepping up' on last season and I honestly think that, if THAT really is the aim, we have to be looking to replace Ryan and none of the aforementioned are (IMO) of that type of quality. We're bound to suffer of we're without him for a lengthy period and I'd hope we wouldn't be gambling on that (though I fear we will).
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 31, 2015 16:56:33 GMT
Do you think he was signed to partner Ryan? If he is then that really is frightening given how bad they looked together. I can only say from what I saw between them on the pitch but I'd highly suspect Ryan doesn't trust Wolly as far as he could throw him! I think that's true based on what we've seen so far but I don't think that Hughes signed him to be behind Wilson, Cameron and Muniesa in the pecking order. I think he's probably just disappointed that Wolly hasn't (as yet) loooked the part. Anyway, my point is that any combination of the players mentioned are fine to come in short-term and cover for injuries and suspensions but you have to think thet Ryan (our ONE real quality CH) will be missing for a lengthy period. We can look at all the possible combinations but, if I'm honest, we look a bloody sight weaker without Ryan there for an extended period. Stoke are talking about maintaining or 'stepping up' on last season and I honestly think that, if THAT really is the aim, we have to be looking to replace Ryan and none of the aforementioned are (IMO) of that type of quality. We're bound to suffer of we're without him for a lengthy period and I'd hope we wouldn't be gambling on that (though I fear we will). Initially (ie in January) I agree but not now. It's not really short term though is it?
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 31, 2015 17:01:44 GMT
I think that's true based on what we've seen so far but I don't think that Hughes signed him to be behind Wilson, Cameron and Muniesa in the pecking order. I think he's probably just disappointed that Wolly hasn't (as yet) loooked the part. Anyway, my point is that any combination of the players mentioned are fine to come in short-term and cover for injuries and suspensions but you have to think thet Ryan (our ONE real quality CH) will be missing for a lengthy period. We can look at all the possible combinations but, if I'm honest, we look a bloody sight weaker without Ryan there for an extended period. Stoke are talking about maintaining or 'stepping up' on last season and I honestly think that, if THAT really is the aim, we have to be looking to replace Ryan and none of the aforementioned are (IMO) of that type of quality. We're bound to suffer of we're without him for a lengthy period and I'd hope we wouldn't be gambling on that (though I fear we will). Initially (ie in January) I agree but not now. It's not really short term though is it? No I agree but it would have been short term pior to Ryan's problems. I think we were always able to cope with that. Now it could be very much a long term problem and IMO we should be addressing it. I think we're taking a big risk.
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Post by doitforfrank on Aug 31, 2015 17:16:32 GMT
Its all a bit early yet for snap decisions.
Other than Saturday, 2 points from the 3 other games I'd have thought we'd be quite happy with. Before the 6-1 we'd never bemoan a point against Liverpool home or away, and Spurs away was always a tough ask, and the team battled to a great point. Also Norwich away, any away point is welcome in this league.
Then Saturday with the clown show from Oliver, and could we really expect to win 9 v 11? The lads gave it a right good go, and from where I was sat MVG stepped up and fought for all his worth alongside Glenn in difficult circumstances. CB is a worry without Ryan there, and until Bojan is back firing we just need to remain patient. Once he is I believe we will start to give some teams a good going over and will be a feared force.
Not sure why we are concerned with losing Moses, did he even play after Christmas? N'Zonzi is a big loss, and it remains to be seen if MVG can make the position his own. Butland looks ready to fulfil his potential and even Woy has acknowledged his great form for Stoke.
My biggest concern is our expenditure. If you don't spend on transfers and wages in this league you will go backwards. Would a £20m net spend this year put us too much into debt? £20m on a couple of players in the right areas and were good to go.
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Post by Miles Offside on Aug 31, 2015 17:19:47 GMT
Yarmolenko would be brilliant, but looks like that ship has sailed.
Hope I'm wrong.
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Post by stantheman on Aug 31, 2015 17:21:30 GMT
I must be pissed, I thought this was a thread about Yarmolenko?
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Post by Stokeontrent on Aug 31, 2015 17:34:33 GMT
No, we still need a left sided winger. Shaqiri was always needed on top of that. We have, don't think he's improved the team mind but he's played well. I am giving him a chance, he's the only hope we have in midfield (to partner Glenn). And disagree completely, he was a seriously underrated player by most on here and in real life for far too long. 10 weeks? I think we'll do well to see him after Christmas. And that's with everything crossed!
Nzonzi was brilliant at ball retention.
He wasn't particularly brilliant at: - driving us forwards (too often he'd slow attacks down just to retain the ball. There's a time for ball retention and there's a time for taking a risk) - positional discipline (couldn't play the DM role for toffee) - goal scoring (2 goals/season for a player who is 6'3" and spends an awful lot of his time in the attacking third is quite frankly dreadful).
We aren't going to replace him with a like-for-like. We'll have to change the team's game somewhat to accommodate MVG, Adam, or Cameron.
There's too many writing Ryan off. He was estimated to be out for 3 months. That would put him back in time (all being well) for the Soton game on the 21st November. That's 8 games away. If the doctors and surgeons are saying 3 months then that's what we should plan for. The way some are talking we may as well pay up his contract now.
Rubbish, nzonzi was a brilliant player for us and wasnt in the team to neither score a hatful of goals or sit and guard the defence. He made us tick, and his attacking thinking improved massivley in the last season he was with us. MVG cant lace his boots and never will
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Post by Skankmonkey on Aug 31, 2015 17:48:22 GMT
I must be pissed, I thought this was a thread about Yarmolenko? I'm definitely pissed. I thought I was bidding for a camping table on Ebay.
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Post by ukcstokie on Aug 31, 2015 19:06:01 GMT
Nzonzi was brilliant at ball retention.
He wasn't particularly brilliant at: - driving us forwards (too often he'd slow attacks down just to retain the ball. There's a time for ball retention and there's a time for taking a risk) - positional discipline (couldn't play the DM role for toffee) - goal scoring (2 goals/season for a player who is 6'3" and spends an awful lot of his time in the attacking third is quite frankly dreadful).
We aren't going to replace him with a like-for-like. We'll have to change the team's game somewhat to accommodate MVG, Adam, or Cameron.
There's too many writing Ryan off. He was estimated to be out for 3 months. That would put him back in time (all being well) for the Soton game on the 21st November. That's 8 games away. If the doctors and surgeons are saying 3 months then that's what we should plan for. The way some are talking we may as well pay up his contract now.
Rubbish, nzonzi was a brilliant player for us and wasnt in the team to neither score a hatful of goals or sit and guard the defence. He made us tick, and his attacking thinking improved massivley in the last season he was with us. MVG cant lace his boots and never will As the box to box midfielder his job was to both help protect the defence and to support the attack. He wasn't brilliant at either. Yes he wasn't there to "score a hatful of goals", but two a season? That's pretty dreadful by any standard (and for comparison Steve Sidwell got 7 goals playing in exactly the same role for a relegated Fulham in his last season there). His attacking did improve in the last handful of games. Over most of the season he was good, nothing better. It remains to be seen if his form at the tail end of the season was him moving into a new phase of his career as a top midfielder, or just a purple patch. So you've judge MVG already then? Give him chance FFS. And as another comparison, MVG has already been transferred for more than Nzonzi has been (9 million). Let's give the lad a chance.
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Post by Stokeontrent on Aug 31, 2015 19:21:13 GMT
Rubbish, nzonzi was a brilliant player for us and wasnt in the team to neither score a hatful of goals or sit and guard the defence. He made us tick, and his attacking thinking improved massivley in the last season he was with us. MVG cant lace his boots and never will As the box to box midfielder his job was to both help protect the defence and to support the attack. He wasn't brilliant at either. Yes he wasn't there to "score a hatful of goals", but two a season? That's pretty dreadful by any standard (and for comparison Steve Sidwell got 7 goals playing in exactly the same role for a relegated Fulham in his last season there). His attacking did improve in the last handful of games. Over most of the season he was good, nothing better. It remains to be seen if his form at the tail end of the season was him moving into a new phase of his career as a top midfielder, or just a purple patch. So you've judge MVG already then? Give him chance FFS. And as another comparison, MVG has already been transferred for more than Nzonzi has been (9 million). Let's give the lad a chance. Oh thats that then, andy carolls better than wayne rooney going off your theory? I need say no more
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Post by ukcstokie on Aug 31, 2015 22:45:03 GMT
As the box to box midfielder his job was to both help protect the defence and to support the attack. He wasn't brilliant at either. Yes he wasn't there to "score a hatful of goals", but two a season? That's pretty dreadful by any standard (and for comparison Steve Sidwell got 7 goals playing in exactly the same role for a relegated Fulham in his last season there). His attacking did improve in the last handful of games. Over most of the season he was good, nothing better. It remains to be seen if his form at the tail end of the season was him moving into a new phase of his career as a top midfielder, or just a purple patch. So you've judge MVG already then? Give him chance FFS. And as another comparison, MVG has already been transferred for more than Nzonzi has been (9 million). Let's give the lad a chance. Oh thats that then, andy carolls better than wayne rooney going off your theory? I need say no more That was simply a comparison to show that MVG has something. Too many writing him off because they just can't handle that Nzonzi has left.
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Post by mailman44 on Sept 1, 2015 0:31:04 GMT
Geoff is our Zonzer replacement so go ahead and sign Yarmo.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 1, 2015 0:36:29 GMT
Who ever said we were interested in Yarmolenko??
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 1, 2015 0:40:26 GMT
Yarmolenko?
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Post by realstokebloke on Sept 1, 2015 0:41:44 GMT
Who ever said we were interested in Yarmolenko?? Err, him, for one?
Or how about Igor, the DK owner for ano?
Dear god.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 1, 2015 0:58:08 GMT
Who ever said we were interested in Yarmolenko?? Err, him, for one?
Or how about Igor, the DK owner for ano?
Dear god.Oatcake myth .
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