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Post by vpinpeace on Jul 28, 2014 17:24:09 GMT
Same could be said to you when you let the fucking roof blow off. Wasn't your cornerless unfinished shed funded by the council? Thank god for PC eh because you wouldn't have paid it off and didn't you get a nice little discount? Isn't it also built on a mine shaft next to a stinking tip? The short memories on here are painful! Erm but we did pay it back...... Unlike the million/two you got given. You paid it back because of Peter Coates. A man you hounded out before he was willing to bail you out. I would imagine the discount you got on The Brit was probably significantly more than the debt they wrote off for us.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2014 17:27:27 GMT
Erm but we did pay it back...... Unlike the million/two you got given. You paid it back because of Peter Coates. A man you hounded out before he was willing to bail you out. I would imagine the discount you got on The Brit was probably significantly more than the debt they wrote off for us. And that matters because................ Oh it doesn't. The council will never get that money back from yourselves. Discount? What? They got their money back and more, what are you going about? They made a profit!
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 28, 2014 17:29:25 GMT
I like the vale, miss the derbies we had in the nineties
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Post by lordb on Jul 28, 2014 17:38:23 GMT
Erm but we did pay it back...... Unlike the million/two you got given. You paid it back because of Peter Coates. A man you hounded out before he was willing to bail you out. I would imagine the discount you got on The Brit was probably significantly more than the debt they wrote off for us. The council had had over two thirds of their £3m (that's right £3m) investment (that's right investment) back in rent e.t.c. before Coates bought them out. Had he not done so the council would by now have more than their original investment back.
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Post by werrington on Jul 28, 2014 17:39:35 GMT
Erm but we did pay it back...... Unlike the million/two you got given. You paid it back because of Peter Coates. A man you hounded out before he was willing to bail you out. I would imagine the discount you got on The Brit was probably significantly more than the debt they wrote off for us. I had some sympathy but you can bollocks now
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Post by Silkystoke on Jul 28, 2014 17:50:30 GMT
Port Vale = FUCKING HISTORY..... hate the c***s
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Post by vpinpeace on Jul 28, 2014 17:50:55 GMT
You paid it back because of Peter Coates. A man you hounded out before he was willing to bail you out. I would imagine the discount you got on The Brit was probably significantly more than the debt they wrote off for us. I had some sympathy but you can bollocks now It's easy for you to say that the tax payer is worse off etc. you forget that they wrote off 1.3mill owed from a total 2.8mill. Then you have the mess of liquidation. The land which on VP is built would cost 5million of tax payers money to deal with. The money spent by the council while in administration which I think was around 400k was paid back in full. If we had gone into liquidation then the clubs assets would have been sold resulting in the council recouping it's money. You need to get over the fact that the city council "bailed" us out.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2014 17:52:28 GMT
Is this bloke for real?
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 28, 2014 18:02:57 GMT
You paid it back because of Peter Coates. A man you hounded out before he was willing to bail you out. I would imagine the discount you got on The Brit was probably significantly more than the debt they wrote off for us. And that matters because................ Oh it doesn't. The council will never get that money back from yourselves. Discount? What? They got their money back and more, what are you going about? They made a profit! He is obviously deluded, the fact that our Council made a profit on the investment in our club and the fact that the ermmm. investment they made in his club will never be seen again completely alludes this knob.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 18:13:14 GMT
Is this bloke for real? Give him a break mate, it can't be easy watching that shite every week .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 18:20:17 GMT
Unwashed vale scum. I'd love a bomb go off on your shithole ground! Wankers the lot of you.
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Post by vpinpeace on Jul 28, 2014 18:27:24 GMT
In December 2007 mayor Mark Meredith and council manager Steve Robinson agreed to sell the city’s 36 per cent stake in the Britannia Stadium to Stoke City Football Club for £4.5 million, five months before promotion to the Premier League.
Councillors who voted for the deal were not told that the purchase of the stake in the stadium would be paid in three instalments rather than one lump sum – which meant the council missed out on £180,000 in interest payments.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2014 18:28:35 GMT
They still made a profit?
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Post by vpinpeace on Jul 28, 2014 18:32:36 GMT
It never became the community stadium it was intended to be and, in my opinion, by agreeing to this bargain sale price for the city’s stake in the venue, the council’s hierarchy ensured the taxpayers of the Potteries were significantly shortchanged.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Jul 28, 2014 18:42:39 GMT
You paid it back because of Peter Coates. A man you hounded out before he was willing to bail you out. I would imagine the discount you got on The Brit was probably significantly more than the debt they wrote off for us. And that matters because................ Oh it doesn't. The council will never get that money back from yourselves. Discount? What? They got their money back and more, what are you going about? They made a profit! Shall we tell the ignorant twonk about the Stadium Development Company of which the council were a major shareholder from which the council made substantial profits on top of getting their initial capital outlay back in full? Lets not bother because he and they do not like the truth.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jul 28, 2014 18:44:12 GMT
VP
Weren't you offered a chance of a new stadium by the council in the dim and distant past?
Shelton bar or fezzy park springs to mind. Or at the time old cobridge stadium before houses went on it.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Jul 28, 2014 18:44:56 GMT
It never became the community stadium it was intended to be and, in my opinion, by agreeing to this bargain sale price for the city’s stake in the venue, the council’s hierarchy ensured the taxpayers of the Potteries were significantly shortchanged. If you want, as a Port Vale supporter to embarrass yourself with your ignorance this really isn't the forum on which to display such stupidity is it?
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Jul 28, 2014 18:45:10 GMT
It never became the community stadium it was intended to be and, in my opinion, by agreeing to this bargain sale price for the city’s stake in the venue, the council’s hierarchy ensured the taxpayers of the Potteries were significantly shortchanged. Profit is profit. Unless that profit is then pumped into a bag of shit club that will lose the lot before folding into crumpled heap of failure.
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Post by vpinpeace on Jul 28, 2014 18:47:50 GMT
And that matters because................ Oh it doesn't. The council will never get that money back from yourselves. Discount? What? They got their money back and more, what are you going about? They made a profit! Shall we tell the ignorant twonk about the Stadium Development Company of which the council were a major shareholder from which the council made substantial profits on top of getting their initial capital outlay back in full? Lets not bother because he and they do not like the truth. I'm not arguing the point at all. I'm not arguing with you about who's right or wrong. I'm saying that we've all benefited from the city council.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Jul 28, 2014 18:50:49 GMT
Shall we tell the ignorant twonk about the Stadium Development Company of which the council were a major shareholder from which the council made substantial profits on top of getting their initial capital outlay back in full? Lets not bother because he and they do not like the truth. I'm not arguing the point at all. I'm not arguing with you about who's right or wrong. I'm saying that we've all benefited from the city council. But only one club has cost the council money.
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Post by vpinpeace on Jul 28, 2014 18:53:51 GMT
I'm not arguing the point at all. I'm not arguing with you about who's right or wrong. I'm saying that we've all benefited from the city council. But only one club has cost the council money. I agree that the council has benefited from you making it to the premier league. My problem with the thread is the enjoyment some of you got from the possibility of us getting wound up. You got PC and we got Bill Bratt.
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Jul 28, 2014 18:57:56 GMT
I'm not arguing the point at all. I'm not arguing with you about who's right or wrong. I'm saying that we've all benefited from the city council. But only one club has cost the council money. Not to mention the illegal market they ran for years.
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Post by werrington on Jul 28, 2014 18:58:41 GMT
But only one club has cost the council money. I agree that the council has benefited from you making it to the premier league. My problem with the thread is the enjoyment some of you got from the possibility of us getting wound up. You got PC and we got Bill Bratt. You got what you wanted The other option was that fruit loop Charles Machin.....now that would of been funny given his vision
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Post by vpinpeace on Jul 28, 2014 19:01:55 GMT
VP Weren't you offered a chance of a new stadium by the council in the dim and distant past? Shelton bar or fezzy park springs to mind. Or at the time old cobridge stadium before houses went on it. I think we were offered a ground share at some point. I think the council planned for one community stadium which could be utilised by them as well as the clubs and I do believe that Billy Bell said no. Knowing Bill Bell this was purely selfish reasons but possibly we wouldn't have seen the decline we have over the years.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 28, 2014 19:02:42 GMT
Isn't this the same council that was hounded and derided by Vale fans for their involvement at Stoke (there were plenty who said they've never step foot in the Brit due to the council).
I assume they are the same ones who aren't going to Vale Park now as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 19:05:33 GMT
The Vale had the best duo they could ever dream of in Bill Bell and John Rudge. Belly was a bit of a rogue and Rudgey had his imperfections but they were the perfect fit. Bell reinvested his money in the side as best he could and Rudgey spent it wisely.
They were driven out of the club by the fans.
Vale have been on a downward spiral ever since and are now a drain on this City. The sooner they are gone and that dreadful bit of land in Burslem can be used for something useful the better.
"Starve em out". The Vale fans bit off their own arm years ago.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Jul 28, 2014 19:05:44 GMT
But only one club has cost the council money. I agree that the council has benefited from you making it to the premier league. My problem with the thread is the enjoyment some of you got from the possibility of us getting wound up. You got PC and we got Bill Bratt. As I pointed out earlier, your problems started with the green eyed envy and childish spite of Bill Bell when he chose to build the White Elephant Lorne Street Stand. An unfinished monument that was a million miles above what was required and half built at a cost your club could never afford from day one to the present. It plunged you into the cycle of administration and bucket collections from which you have never recovered and a scenario that is fast approaching again under the current chancer running your club. The profits generated by Rudge have been long blown to the four corners of the Burslem drains. The fact is that when Bell went down that route of "sticking it" to Stoke City and the council Vale fans cheered him on to a man! Then you come on here crying about a lack of sympathy?
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Post by werrington on Jul 28, 2014 19:08:56 GMT
VP Weren't you offered a chance of a new stadium by the council in the dim and distant past? Shelton bar or fezzy park springs to mind. Or at the time old cobridge stadium before houses went on it. I think we were offered a ground share at some point. I think the council planned for one community stadium which could be utilised by them as well as the clubs and I do believe that Billy Bell said no. Knowing Bill Bell this was purely selfish reasons but possibly we wouldn't have seen the decline we have over the years. You were offered a site at Tunstall at the same time the Brit was being mooted ( Ravenside I think ? ) and Bully Bell didn't want it The ground share was mooted around 1987 after the garden festival was finished
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Post by vpinpeace on Jul 28, 2014 19:15:57 GMT
Agree fully with the Rudge comments. The best manager we ever had and will ever have. Bill Bell was an enigma but he left us in a mess after pushing to try and get us somewhere far beyond out means. V2001 was set up with good intentions but too many cooks spoil the broth and all that and Bill Bratt put his trust in the wrong people and they had no money to invest and pretty much zero business sense. I aren't here looking for sympathy but to defend the fact that I don't believe football clubs deserve to go bust because of dodgy owners. Football is seen as a cash cow and when it goes wrong then it's fans that suffer! We have fans who are 8-9 years old... They don't deserve to lose their football club. Fans who have watched Vale for 60+ years don't deserve to lose their football club. You may hate us and we may hate you but that's football!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 19:24:22 GMT
That was the site of Vale Park before they moved to Hanley and it became Cobridge greyhound stadium The site they were offered in the 90s was around Tunstall but Billy Bell preferred to renovate VP They were also invited to look at a new stadium at Festival park but turned it down flat. Much of Vale's current problems trace back to Billy Bell deciding he would show Stoke and the Council by committing to build the Great White Elephant Lorne Street Stand on a scale and at a cost that was way above what was actually needed. Mr Wollyperson, To be fair (if my memory serves me correct) Old Billy Bell did need a new swimming pool and garden upgrades at around the same time And I think he go them GD
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