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Post by Squeekster on Jul 20, 2014 17:49:10 GMT
I knew it was a mistake them having pride of the potteries on the back of their shirts.
Weren't they offered the old Cobridge dog track as a venue for a new stadium? That would of been closer to Vale park than we are from the old vic.
Vale fans are no different to any other clubs fans you get dick heads and you get sound ones i can honestly say i know more decent ones than dick heads but i do know a few of them.
Mum was a Vale fan along with me grandad and uncles off Goldenhill and rubbed shoulders with the Coates family.
We were very lucky that Peter came back and that his and his families fortunes have changed so lets not forget that,that said we always seemed to have some one willing to invest so not sure we would have been in that much trouble but you never know.
Vale have some high profile supporters Robbie,Wikes and even Lemmy from moterhead is a fan(didn't they do a gig at vale park?) yet none come forth with investment so it's down to trying to attract investment from where ever they can,Bill Bratt Vale through and through but no money.
They need that freaky bloke to do another youtube video and do another appeal.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 17:56:06 GMT
Would love for us to help keep them afloat.
Some fans would appreciate it.
However, a shit ton of them would despise the very idea, it would be wry satisfying to say that Stoke City saved their club.
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Post by bolders on Jul 20, 2014 17:57:11 GMT
Robbie has a season ticket at Chelsea now Wilkes i wouldnt say high profile all he is really known for is being Robbies bum boy And never knew Lemmy was a vale fan
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Post by vpinpeace on Jul 20, 2014 18:07:53 GMT
Would love for us to help keep them afloat. Some fans would appreciate it. However, a shit ton of them would despise the very idea, it would be wry satisfying to say that Stoke City saved their club. If we were in the mess of two years ago then there is no doubt that I would rather have a club saved by Stoke than no club at all. This also brings up the question that since you hit the big time why are we never linked with any of your younger lads coming through? It's also looking like Dicko will be our captain next season.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 18:42:45 GMT
Would love for us to help keep them afloat. Some fans would appreciate it. However, a shit ton of them would despise the very idea, it would be wry satisfying to say that Stoke City saved their club. If we were in the mess of two years ago then there is no doubt that I would rather have a club saved by Stoke than no club at all. This also brings up the question that since you hit the big time why are we never linked with any of your younger lads coming through? It's also looking like Dicko will be our captain next season. It would make sense, would many of your lot accept it? It's especially the case now we're actually developing youth. Dicko is hardly a youth though!
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Post by wembley4372 on Jul 20, 2014 18:56:00 GMT
Why didn't you ask your source that very question? I did. However, my source was in Mid-Spain so I thought it might be worth asking the question a bit nearer to home. Unfortunately, I reached The Oatcake's resident Gimp. I assume you couldn't understand the answer. Was it the language or the distance?
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Post by sean on Jul 20, 2014 19:14:29 GMT
[quote author=" vpinpeace" source="/ If we were in the mess of two years ago then there is no doubt that I would rather have a club saved by Stoke than no club at all. This also brings up the question that since you hit the big time why are we never linked with any of your younger lads coming through? It's also looking like Dicko will be our captain next season.[/quote] I think the answer to that is our Chairman won't sanction those deals we would rather send them to Barnsley You do realise Dicko hates the Vale
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Post by colinroberts1 on Jul 20, 2014 19:17:42 GMT
Would love for us to help keep them afloat. Some fans would appreciate it. However, a shit ton of them would despise the very idea, it would be wry satisfying to say that Stoke City saved their club. If we were in the mess of two years ago then there is no doubt that I would rather have a club saved by Stoke than no club at all. This also brings up the question that since you hit the big time why are we never linked with any of your younger lads coming through? It's also looking like Dicko will be our captain next season.
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Post by colinroberts1 on Jul 20, 2014 19:24:05 GMT
Wasn't the reason stoke players didn't go on loan to vale coz of something that happened to rudge ? When rudge went vale to watch stoke reserves when working for stoke, rumour was they wouldn't let him in.! Sure legend has it coates said we wouldn't be doing business with them again !!! Or was it a dream I had ?????
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Post by GlennA on Jul 20, 2014 19:27:06 GMT
Lemmy isn't a Vale fan. I love the bloke but he's always quick to play down his SOT connections. I was at the Vale Park gig and the first thing he did was take the piss.
On the wider point, I'm depressed to see how many Stoke fans are keen to see the city take yet another kick in the economic and social balls. Yes, I know 'they' don't like 'us'' very much. Thing is, I'm not fucking seven years old.
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Post by geoff321 on Jul 20, 2014 19:30:44 GMT
The only successful way to achieve a one club City would be through merger, although I'm not in favour of that.
The demise of Port Vale would not suddenly bring over thousands of Vale fans to support Stoke, that would take decades, or even longer, before old rivalries were forgotten.
In any merger it would be important that the Vale name was retained in some form, the benefit to Vale would be survival and for Stoke transformation into a much bigger club, with a significant fan base.
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Post by werrington on Jul 20, 2014 19:38:40 GMT
I love the rivalry as I work with loads of em
As for Vale wishing the worst on us it's what football fans do ......ask Everton/Liverpool, Celtic /Rangers, Man City/Man Utd and they'll say the same things about each other that Stoke and Vale fans say
Be tragic if any football club went under
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 20, 2014 20:33:42 GMT
Overdue this one - you cant say anything but - as an outsider, this dysfunctional, pathetic pitiful little failing club continually lingering in existence, limping along from one embaressment to the next, only serves to hold the proper football club in S.O.T back - sooner they're truly 'gone', - the better for all concerned I reckon. (and I'm for for 'the 72' league clubs - but these time- wasters surely should've been wound up ages ago ? Been a Stoke fan long have you.. Ever left Stoke on Trent? Ever left the confines of your own home? I really don't mind majority of Stoke fans and we have had to put up with you being on MOTD every Saturday ha! Some fans would love to see you struggle but you were the most hated team in the PL for 5 years. Surely wishing little old Vale to go out of business is a bit short sited.
What the fuck has how other PL fans view Stoke got anything to do with Port Fail, short sited not as short sited as successive directors at the Vale, your club needs to live within it's means as others in the lower leagues have to, it appears that this is too difficult for the Vale, did the council bail out any other failing business's in the City , it is obvious that your club is unsustainable financially time has come to wind it up.
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Post by werrington on Jul 20, 2014 20:45:26 GMT
Been a Stoke fan long have you.. Ever left Stoke on Trent? Ever left the confines of your own home? I really don't mind majority of Stoke fans and we have had to put up with you being on MOTD every Saturday ha! Some fans would love to see you struggle but you were the most hated team in the PL for 5 years. Surely wishing little old Vale to go out of business is a bit short sited.
What the fuck has how other PL fans view Stoke got anything to do with Port Fail, short sited not as short sited as successive directors at the Vale, your club needs to live within it's means as others in the lower leagues have to, it appears that this is too difficult for the Vale, did the council bail out any other failing business's in the City , it is obvious that your club is unsustainable financially time has come to wind it up.
As much as I disagree with the council constantly bailing them out you can't class a football club as just another business SCFC and PVFC are part of the fabric of our city and not just another business ......they mean so much to so many people of SOT Saddens me when football fans would take great pleasure in seeing another club go under There for the grace and all that
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 20, 2014 20:54:07 GMT
What the fuck has how other PL fans view Stoke got anything to do with Port Fail, short sited not as short sited as successive directors at the Vale, your club needs to live within it's means as others in the lower leagues have to, it appears that this is too difficult for the Vale, did the council bail out any other failing business's in the City , it is obvious that your club is unsustainable financially time has come to wind it up.
As much as I disagree with the council constantly bailing them out you can't class a football club as just another business SCFC and PVFC are part of the fabric of our city and not just another business ......they mean so much to so many people of SOT Saddens me when football fans would take great pleasure in seeing another club go under There for the grace and all that Wedgewood's, Doulton's. Spode etc internationally renowned companies all a bigger part historically than Port Fail in the fabric of our City (by the way Werrington is Staffs Moorlands), why did S-o-T council not step in to offer financial assistance to any of them ?, to me it would have made more sense to protect these institutions and many thousands of jobs than a business that constantly fails to keep it's house in order, by the way how many local business's have been damaged by the way Vale run their business affairs, fuck em.
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Post by werrington on Jul 20, 2014 20:58:17 GMT
As much as I disagree with the council constantly bailing them out you can't class a football club as just another business SCFC and PVFC are part of the fabric of our city and not just another business ......they mean so much to so many people of SOT Saddens me when football fans would take great pleasure in seeing another club go under There for the grace and all that Wedgewood's, Doulton's. Spode etc internationally renowned companies all a bigger part historically than Port Fail in the fabric of our City (by the way Werrington is Staffs Moorlands), why did S-o-T council not step in to offer financial assistance to any of them ?, to me it would have made more sense to protect these institutions and many thousands of jobs than a business and that is what it is that constantly fails to keep it's house in order, by the way how many local business's have been damaged by the way Vale run their business affairs, fuck em. Sigh the old Werrington is in the staffs moorlands bollicks The fact I was born and bred in Bucknall counts me out then does it ? You seem to have turned into a premiership Stoke fan and have forgotten the past so ill leave it at that
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 20, 2014 21:13:48 GMT
Wedgewood's, Doulton's. Spode etc internationally renowned companies all a bigger part historically than Port Fail in the fabric of our City (by the way Werrington is Staffs Moorlands), why did S-o-T council not step in to offer financial assistance to any of them ?, to me it would have made more sense to protect these institutions and many thousands of jobs than a business and that is what it is that constantly fails to keep it's house in order, by the way how many local business's have been damaged by the way Vale run their business affairs, fuck em. Sigh the old Werrington is in the staffs moorlands bollicks The fact I was born and bred in Bucknall counts me out then does it ? You seem to have turned into a premiership Stoke fan and have forgotten the past so ill leave it at that No I can confirm that after living in Werrington for 25 years it is indeed in Staffs Moorlands(check your council tax bill duck), thankfully I have moved to a better area now (to many wannabees moving up the bank for me), chucked in the towel I see regarding the argument about deserving causes, you know I am right the Vale are small fry in the great scheme of S-o-T as a City I say again fuck em, they have no right to be bailed out with public money it is outrageous in my opinion that they should have preferential treatment.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 20, 2014 21:17:59 GMT
The only successful way to achieve a one club City would be through merger, although I'm not in favour of that. The demise of Port Vale would not suddenly bring over thousands of Vale fans to support Stoke, that would take decades, or even longer, before old rivalries were forgotten. In any merger it would be important that the Vale name was retained in some form, the benefit to Vale would be survival and for Stoke transformation into a much bigger club, with a significant fan base. Unfuckinbelievable Geoff a merger with Port Vale, StokePortValeCity FC
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 21:28:20 GMT
Sigh the old Werrington is in the staffs moorlands bollicks The fact I was born and bred in Bucknall counts me out then does it ? You seem to have turned into a premiership Stoke fan and have forgotten the past so ill leave it at that No I can confirm that after living in Werrington for 25 years it is indeed in Staffs Moorlands(check your council tax bill duck), thankfully I have moved to a better area now (to many wannabees moving up the bank for me), chucked in the towel I see regarding the argument about deserving causes, you know I am right the Vale are small fry in the great scheme of S-o-T as a City I say again fuck em, they have no right to be bailed out with public money it is outrageous in my opinion that they should have preferential treatment. Are you just bored and on a wind up or a bit simple? Either way you are an embarrassment to the club and the city.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 20, 2014 21:44:43 GMT
No I can confirm that after living in Werrington for 25 years it is indeed in Staffs Moorlands(check your council tax bill duck), thankfully I have moved to a better area now (to many wannabees moving up the bank for me), chucked in the towel I see regarding the argument about deserving causes, you know I am right the Vale are small fry in the great scheme of S-o-T as a City I say again fuck em, they have no right to be bailed out with public money it is outrageous in my opinion that they should have preferential treatment. Are you just bored and on a wind up or a bit simple? Either way you are an embarrassment to the club and the city. All of the above duck, out of interest who do you pay your council tax to is it Staffs Moorlands or S-o-T Council either way (that's two choices by the way three is a crowd well it is at Vale ) I don't live in the City so as it stands according to you I am just an embarrassment to the club oh well do I give a fuck , fuck the Vale scummy, tin pot, scrounging insignificant pimple on the arse of football.
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Post by LouieIsTheKing on Jul 20, 2014 22:10:16 GMT
I did. However, my source was in Mid-Spain so I thought it might be worth asking the question a bit nearer to home. Unfortunately, I reached The Oatcake's resident Gimp. I assume you couldn't understand the answer. Was it the language or the distance? Never assume anything. I could assume that you haven't got a life...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 22:29:50 GMT
I think that is partly the absolutely socialist 'lets hang onto the past' attitude that holds the whole of S.O.T. back in the overall scheme of things.
(Sounds like the local council has been bailing them out - I dont know if this is true but if it is so:-
PORT VALE IS A FAILED FOOTBALL CLUB - if it cant pay its way at the status its now at - it either goes down the league system or,
ceases to exist
thats the way of things in all other walks of life
And, as it demonstrates with a consistency that is almost remarkable these-days, a complete inability to run itself as part of the league of 72 clubs
let them pack it all in and let a club from another area have a go -
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jul 20, 2014 22:30:23 GMT
The only successful way to achieve a one club City would be through merger, although I'm not in favour of that. The demise of Port Vale would not suddenly bring over thousands of Vale fans to support Stoke, that would take decades, or even longer, before old rivalries were forgotten. In any merger it would be important that the Vale name was retained in some form, the benefit to Vale would be survival and for Stoke transformation into a much bigger club, with a significant fan base. Unfuckinbelievable Geoff a merger with Port Vale, StokePortValeCity FC Didn't that idiot cauldwell suggest that in the past when we were in a quandary. I'd rather follow afc stoke than merge with those boslem cunts.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 20, 2014 22:33:42 GMT
Didn't that idiot cauldwell suggest that in the past when we were in a quandary. I'd rather follow afc stoke than merge with those boslem cunts. , fuck em
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Post by wembley4372 on Jul 21, 2014 4:55:22 GMT
I assume you couldn't understand the answer. Was it the language or the distance? Never assume anything. I could assume that you haven't got a life... You seem to prefer insults to any kind of answer are you too thick to recognize a question mark?
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Post by vpinpeace on Jul 21, 2014 9:55:50 GMT
I think that is partly the absolutely socialist 'lets hang onto the past' attitude that holds the whole of S.O.T. back in the overall scheme of things. (Sounds like the local council has been bailing them out - I dont know if this is true but if it is so:- PORT VALE IS A FAILED FOOTBALL CLUB - if it cant pay its way at the status its now at - it either goes down the league system or, ceases to existthats the way of things in all other walks of lifeAnd, as it demonstrates with a consistency that is almost remarkable these-days, a complete inability to run itself as part of the league of 72 clubs let them pack it all in and let a club from another area have a go - So because other clubs survive being in enormous amounts of Debt then this is fine. Nearly every club outside the top four has massive debt and majority of the championship.. Surely this means in real terms they can't pay their way or is it ok because it's being managed? You are right about businesses in other walks of life but football doesn't coincide with "normal" business practise. You really need to look at your own clubs accounts as You are far from self sustainable and were Coates to leave and you get relegated then you could well be in deep mither. Bigger clubs than you including Sheff Utd, Wolves, Leeds and Portmsouth have all failed. Maybe you would enjoy a league of franchises like MK Dons? Take the primer league rose tinted glasses off and actually think about how lower league clubs survive when clubs like yourselves have cut debts by 26million and we don't have a pot to piss in. Your big time attitude is embarrassing!!
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Post by mozzer on Jul 21, 2014 10:07:09 GMT
perhaps it is best they fold then and Stoke can be the only club in this tin pot city of ours as there are not the finances to sustain two football clubs ...so we just let the bottom two divisions go out business then? And anyone else who happens on a dodgy owner or bad luck? And I thought the was a football forum, rather than something for glory hunters. Oooooo dont get me started with that crap I would prefer them not to go out of business I want them to suffer and struggle, Personally I don't think Stoke is big enough to support two teams end of, I am not getting in to an argument on here over my feelings towards the vale but they are obviously way south of yours, I detest them and always will....glory hunter, wow....never in my life time have I ever thought that anyone that follows stoke could be called a glory hunter, johnny come lately yes but glory hunters no, Im 48 by the way and supported stoke since a young boy home and away....wish you could have told me a was glory hunter when I was stood at illustrious surroundings with silly small followings such as Bournemouth, Hartlepool, Bury, Orient....but to name a very small few of the places visited. Last post on the subject ....pinky finger promise
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Post by vpinpeace on Jul 21, 2014 10:21:52 GMT
...so we just let the bottom two divisions go out business then? And anyone else who happens on a dodgy owner or bad luck? And I thought the was a football forum, rather than something for glory hunters. Oooooo dont get me started with that crap I would prefer them not to go out of business I want them to suffer and struggle, Personally I don't think Stoke is big enough to support two teams end of, I am not getting in to an argument on here over my feelings towards the vale but they are obviously way south of yours, I detest them and always will....glory hunter, wow....never in my life time have I ever thought that anyone that follows stoke could be called a glory hunter, johnny come lately yes but glory hunters no, Im 48 by the way and supported stoke since a young boy home and away....wish you could have told me a was glory hunter when I was stood at illustrious surroundings with silly small followings such as Bournemouth, Hartlepool, Bury, Orient....but to name a very small few of the places visited. Last post on the subject ....pinky finger promise So because YOU don't think stoke on Trent is big enough to support two teams you think Vale should just be dissolved and forgotten. Regardless of your feelings but a team with not a bad football league history and enough fans to have a mid range average attendance in league 1 last season. If what you are saying is correct then teams like Brentford, Leyton Orient, Bury etc should just be pushed out by premier league clubs. Somewhere in the last 10 years you have managed to find an extra 8-10 thousand fans.. Just because you are lucky enough to have a fantastic backer in Peter Coates doesn't mean you have the divine right to think that smaller clubs such as ourselves and other clubs who struggle up against the premier league should just trudge on trying to survive. Fickle doesn't even come close and I wonder if you were one of the fans trying to climb into the directors box when Bet365 weren't pumping £££ into your football club!
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Post by mozzer on Jul 21, 2014 10:52:33 GMT
Oooooo dont get me started with that crap I would prefer them not to go out of business I want them to suffer and struggle, Personally I don't think Stoke is big enough to support two teams end of, I am not getting in to an argument on here over my feelings towards the vale but they are obviously way south of yours, I detest them and always will....glory hunter, wow....never in my life time have I ever thought that anyone that follows stoke could be called a glory hunter, johnny come lately yes but glory hunters no, Im 48 by the way and supported stoke since a young boy home and away....wish you could have told me a was glory hunter when I was stood at illustrious surroundings with silly small followings such as Bournemouth, Hartlepool, Bury, Orient....but to name a very small few of the places visited. Last post on the subject ....pinky finger promise So because YOU don't think stoke on Trent is big enough to support two teams you think Vale should just be dissolved and forgotten. Regardless of your feelings but a team with not a bad football league history and enough fans to have a mid range average attendance in league 1 last season. If what you are saying is correct then teams like Brentford, Leyton Orient, Bury etc should just be pushed out by premier league clubs. Somewhere in the last 10 years you have managed to find an extra 8-10 thousand fans.. Just because you are lucky enough to have a fantastic backer in Peter Coates doesn't mean you have the divine right to think that smaller clubs such as ourselves and other clubs who struggle up against the premier league should just trudge on trying to survive. Fickle doesn't even come close and I wonder if you were one of the fans trying to climb into the directors box when Bet365 weren't pumping £££ into your football club! No I was not one trying to get in to the directors box but as above...I am not getting in to an argument on here with you either. Fickle...no never passionate....yes and still am Hatred & loathing....Abundance And please dont go on about extra fans .........remember your cup runs, promotions etc etc, it happens to all teams that have lacked but want to taste success so get over it. No more replies to you either...well on this subject anyway, I have my views and you have yours and although they are south of mine I do respect them.
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Post by holdmedelilah on Jul 21, 2014 23:14:11 GMT
I think the solution is an obvious one and it certainly is not that Stoke amalgamate with Vale or anyone else. Given the alternating home/away calendar football is perfect for ground sharing. It enables two clubs with their own identity to exist independently and reduces overheads massively. I know there will be those itching to say that the rivalry is too great and the history of a ground owned by a football club is too important...but if the alternative is non existence? There are no two clubs anywhere in the world that have greater rivalry than AC Milan and Inter Milan and yet they have shared the San Siro very successfully for many years.
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