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Post by wembley4372 on Jun 17, 2014 10:24:01 GMT
Regularly caught out of position and cannot cross the ball rendering most of his forward play as useless. We've had a whole season of being told he's not a fullback. If he was better than Wilson at centre half he'd have been played there as Wilson is a much better right back.
I like defenders to start by being able to defend, everything on top of that is a bonus.
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Post by kristoff on Jun 17, 2014 10:33:20 GMT
I think if we had the spanish squad from 4 years ago some on here would find petty childish things to pick at. I am so proud of all our Stokies and baring them playing against England i want them all to go as far as they can playing as well as they can. Granted Geoff isnt the greatest player ever to grace gods green earth. But none of our players are. If he makes a mistake (or any of our players) they dont do it on purpose, but he makes far less than some ive seen. He is a great professional and a very good player for our team, can play anywhere and will always give 100%, if some of you dont like that in a player then you need to take your heads from up your arses, take of your bile tinted glasses and show some support from a guy who always gives 100%
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Post by coates on Jun 17, 2014 10:39:25 GMT
I thought geoff had a great game.
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Post by potterpaul on Jun 17, 2014 11:57:07 GMT
Regularly caught out of position and cannot cross the ball rendering most of his forward play as useless. We've had a whole season of being told he's not a fullback. If he was better than Wilson at centre half he'd have been played there as Wilson is a much better right back. I like defenders to start by being able to defend, everything on top of that is a bonus. Why do people continue to peddle this shit. Wilson was a good RB under the Pulis system but under Hughes he just does not fit has any type of full back (LB or RB) he simply hasn't the pace to overlap and help out the winger/forwards. There's still a few on here who need to catch up with the times.
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Post by southcarolinastokie on Jun 17, 2014 11:58:51 GMT
If Geoff was that shit, he wouldn't have played the number of games he did. Wilko would have. He was excellent last night, he can be good coverage or even a starter in the middle. Huth will not walk into the team after a year out, he will need to prove himself again. Personally I do not think Bardsley is an improvement on Geoff but both players have their part to play this season, especially if we try for a cup
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 12:34:15 GMT
Regularly caught out of position and cannot cross the ball rendering most of his forward play as useless. We've had a whole season of being told he's not a fullback. If he was better than Wilson at centre half he'd have been played there as Wilson is a much better right back. I like defenders to start by being able to defend, everything on top of that is a bonus. Why do people continue to peddle this shit. Wilson was a good RB under the Pulis system but under Hughes he just does not fit has any type of full back (LB or RB) he simply hasn't the pace to overlap and help out the winger/forwards. There's still a few on here who need to catch up with the times. Which is exactly why Bardsley has been signed - he can get forward AND defend, just like Pieters. Cameron has been excellent coming forward but he has been the weak link in the defence (see Villa away for the best and worst of Geoff). If Hughes didnt think the right back position was a problem then why sign Bardsley and offer Wilko a new contract?
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 17, 2014 12:40:31 GMT
Geoff is certainly getting some love on Twitter.
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Post by cmc89 on Jun 17, 2014 12:46:42 GMT
I'm happy that we've got an international player who can cover 3 positions and possibly even challenge the first team players for them if they dip in form and he hits the ground running.
This is a good position to be in guys, cheer up.
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Post by lordb on Jun 17, 2014 12:48:01 GMT
Well done Geoff
very useful squad player for us next season
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Post by rambob on Jun 17, 2014 13:46:48 GMT
I thought that Beckerman edged MOM just in front of Geoff but what do I know?
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Post by foxysgloves on Jun 17, 2014 13:58:30 GMT
Cameron is a better full back than Bardsley. Hughes doesnt agree with you How do you know that?
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Post by wembley4372 on Jun 17, 2014 14:26:47 GMT
Regularly caught out of position and cannot cross the ball rendering most of his forward play as useless. We've had a whole season of being told he's not a fullback. If he was better than Wilson at centre half he'd have been played there as Wilson is a much better right back. I like defenders to start by being able to defend, everything on top of that is a bonus. Why do people continue to peddle this shit. Wilson was a good RB under the Pulis system but under Hughes he just does not fit has any type of full back (LB or RB) he simply hasn't the pace to overlap and help out the winger/forwards. There's still a few on here who need to catch up with the times. That Wilson cannot overlap because he couldn't in a Pulis team? So what part is shit? Cameron can defend? Cross the ball? Good positional sense? If he's so good why was Wilson played in the middle? Cameron spooning the ball aimlessly with the outside of his foot is helping the opposition not the winger. From the very poor TV coverage he seemed ok last night in a very poor team against another poor team. Still caught out of position and left his man too many times to survive a premier league game. I appreciate he would have better players to help him when playing for us but he would be well down the pecking order, I'd even be prepared to risk the new kid and I haven't seen him play.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 14:27:46 GMT
Hughes doesnt agree with you How do you know that? Do you think Bardsley would come here to be back up?
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Post by metalhead on Jun 17, 2014 14:37:30 GMT
Why do people continue to peddle this shit. Wilson was a good RB under the Pulis system but under Hughes he just does not fit has any type of full back (LB or RB) he simply hasn't the pace to overlap and help out the winger/forwards. There's still a few on here who need to catch up with the times. That Wilson cannot overlap because he couldn't in a Pulis team? So what part is shit? Cameron can defend? Cross the ball? Good positional sense? If he's so good why was Wilson played in the middle? Cameron spooning the ball aimlessly with the outside of his foot is helping the opposition not the winger. From the very poor TV coverage he seemed ok last night in a very poor team against another poor team. Still caught out of position and left his man too many times to survive a premier league game. I appreciate he would have better players to help him when playing for us but he would be well down the pecking order, I'd even be prepared to risk the new kid and I haven't seen him play. Embarrassing post.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 17, 2014 14:38:43 GMT
Do you think Bardsley would come here to be back up? I don't imagine he's arrived with any particular promises! Do you think Phil Bardsley can turn up at a top ten PL side and EXPECT to be first choice? I don't think he'd be that naive and I don't think Hughes would be daft enough to tell him he's first choice. Good competition for places but he's not a world class right back. He's a solid, unspectacular player who I like but I don't think he's as good as Cameron.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jun 17, 2014 14:40:07 GMT
Do you think Bardsley would come here to be back up? No. Nor would I want him to. But I would guess that the ideal situation, which I assume Hughes is aiming for, is that there is genuine competition in each position. I'm happy with signing Bardsley but I'm not sure he's a major upgrade on Cameron. And if Cameron continues to adapt and improve I doubt there will be much between them. It's guesswork as to who Hughes rates the most but the fact that Cameron was a virtual ever present and that we have signed Bardsley suggests to me that he likes them both. Now it's up to them to prove who deserves the starting place.
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Post by interestedobserver on Jun 17, 2014 14:46:49 GMT
I thought that Beckerman edged MOM just in front of Geoff but what do I know? Whatever his limitations as an international footballer, Kyle Beckerman deserves a ton of credit for even being on the pitch last night. I remember watching him five years ago in the Gold Cup when he was essentially playing for the USMNT C team. Tidy player who does a lot of small things right and puts in a hell of a shift. Pleased for him that he earned a spot in a World Cup starting XI.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 14:59:06 GMT
Do you think Bardsley would come here to be back up? No. Nor would I want him to. But I would guess that the ideal situation, which I assume Hughes is aiming for, is that there is genuine competition in each position. I'm happy with signing Bardsley but I'm not sure he's a major upgrade on Cameron. And if Cameron continues to adapt and improve I doubt there will be much between them. It's guesswork as to who Hughes rates the most but the fact that Cameron was a virtual ever present and that we have signed Bardsley suggests to me that he likes them both. Now it's up to them to prove who deserves the starting place. From what i've seen of Bardsley in the past i would say he is a more solid and reliable defender, Cameron's positioning was shocking for a premier league player on several occasions last season and i've noticed Shawcross bollocking him quite a lot. But i do like Cameron, hes an important member of the squad i hope he does provide competition at right back, centre half and in midfield, i just don't think he should or will be a regular next season and i also find it incredible how much some supporters are creaming themselves after one game for the USA.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 17, 2014 15:04:17 GMT
How dare people take pride in a player representing his nation and Stoke City at the World Cup. Truly incredible, as you say.
Fuck me sideways. How miserable do you have to be to post something like that?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 15:31:54 GMT
If Cameron wants to play regular football he will need to leave. If you say that because you think Bardsley has Cameron's place in the bag then you are either over rating Bardsley or under rating Cameron or both or you just think that having persuaded Coates to part with the Bardsley money then Hughes will feel he has to play him. Have you seen a lot of Bardsley, gods? From what I've seen he's just as good going forward, has a cracking shot on him and is better defensively as well.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 17, 2014 17:15:23 GMT
6/10 and MOM for me.
The game confirmed that I wouldn't want him at centre half for us long term much like Wilson.
He held his position a lot better than expected though, which was nice.
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Jun 17, 2014 17:52:00 GMT
If Cameron wants to play regular football he will need to leave. If you say that because you think Bardsley has Cameron's place in the bag then you are either over rating Bardsley or under rating Cameron or both or you just think that having persuaded Coates to part with the Bardsley money then Hughes will feel he has to play him. Except that he came on a free so cost nowt except a salary....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 17, 2014 17:55:50 GMT
I don't think Hughes will "feel the need to play him", I think Hughes will play him because he's just signed a right back on a fair amount of money to replace Cameron. Bardsley imo wouldn't have signed otherwise.
For the record, I prefer Cameron.
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Post by metalhead on Jun 17, 2014 18:01:51 GMT
Bardsley is just another option. He's not a replacement or a better choice. For me, I wouldn't disrupt a strong team for him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 18:03:31 GMT
Even though it's a squad game though, Hughes like most managers will have a preferred starting XI. Bardsley will be part of that, I'm sure of it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 17, 2014 18:07:31 GMT
Another option on 30ish grand? That's an expensive "another option". Especially when we've just tied another option to a new contract when no one really expected us to!
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Post by metalhead on Jun 17, 2014 18:11:10 GMT
Another option on 30ish grand? That's an expensive "another option". Especially when we've just tied another option to a new contract when no one really expected us to! Squad depth?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 18:13:34 GMT
Another option on 30ish grand? That's an expensive "another option". Especially when we've just tied another option to a new contract when no one really expected us to! Squad depth? Does the frugal 'new direction' allow for more high earning players who don't play regularly? There were already back up right backs at the club, if Hughes was happy with the current incumbent.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 17, 2014 18:14:49 GMT
Another option on 30ish grand? That's an expensive "another option". Especially when we've just tied another option to a new contract when no one really expected us to! Squad depth? 4 right backs that all could play is a bit too much. We need 2. It's a strange situation as things stand, it's going to be interesting to see how it plays out. Shotton is a goner (if someone will have him). Bardsley is here for the medium term and why offer Wilko a new contract if you aren't going to use him even as back up? Now we might do but it'll be bloody strange and wholly unnecessary.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 17, 2014 18:17:30 GMT
Another option on 30ish grand? That's an expensive "another option". Especially when we've just tied another option to a new contract when no one really expected us to! Squad depth?
You don't really have three right backs in your squad though do you? Wilko can't play anywhere else - it's not like he can play in any other positions.
If Hughes didn't see him as the second choice right back, then why give him a new contract?
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