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Post by Hugh Jorgan on May 12, 2014 20:52:36 GMT
Nicole begovic getting involved
One for all and all for one
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Post by Ayupshag on May 12, 2014 20:57:44 GMT
Fuck Hodgson. Feel sorry for Ryan as he wants to play for England, but on a more selfish note,Ryan not playing is good for Stoke City
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 12, 2014 21:04:11 GMT
Fuck Hodgson. Feel sorry for Ryan as he wants to play for England, but on a more selfish note,Ryan not playing is good for Stoke City Unless he feels the need to prove himself at another club so as to enhance his international prospects of course!
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Post by The Red and White Baron on May 12, 2014 21:07:43 GMT
He shits on every centre half that's in the England team. Fucking Roy.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2014 21:12:15 GMT
Now we'll see exactly how wank we are, a'fucking,gain.
Tossers.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 12, 2014 21:15:01 GMT
That comparison matrix can't be right, the brains trust on here have told us he's not international class and the we should all suck Woys todger.
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Post by scfcno1fan on May 12, 2014 21:20:11 GMT
That comparison matrix can't be right, the brains trust on here have told us he's not international class and the we should all suck Woys todger. Kudos.
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Post by foxysgloves on May 12, 2014 21:20:15 GMT
That comparison matrix can't be right, the brains trust on here have told us he's not international class and the we should all suck Woys todger. Ahhhhhh but you forget. Modern "defending" isn't about all that old fashioned clearing, blocking and tackling. To be a top class international modern defender you have to be "comfortable" on the ball. FFS I haven't seen Ryan do one Cryuff turn all season.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on May 12, 2014 21:20:35 GMT
That comparison matrix can't be right, the brains trust on here have told us he's not international class and the we should all suck Woys todger. It still amazes me that we can have a few who for some bizarre reason can't see just how bloody brilliant Ryan is. Weird.
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Post by tuum on May 13, 2014 5:29:41 GMT
There was another comparison matrix in The Sun yesterday quoting similar stuff but different attributes. The Sun was saying that based on key metrics determined by some sports statistics agency (not OPTA but RA Sports or something like ) that Ryan was one of 7 players who should be going to Brazil based on form and contribution over the season. Incidentally, another two of the seven quoted were Peter Crouch & John Terry.
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Post by partickpotter on May 13, 2014 5:48:21 GMT
Nice to see. some media coverage also in the Mirror and Mail with LMH leading the charge.
Too little too late though - well for this tournament at least.
I remain, as always, a blind optimist!
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Post by mcf on May 13, 2014 6:26:12 GMT
That comparison matrix can't be right, the brains trust on here have told us he's not international class and the we should all suck Woys todger. It still amazes me that we can have a few who for some bizarre reason can't see just how bloody brilliant Ryan is. Weird. I think he's brilliant for us and wouldn't swap him for anybody. I still don't think he's international class though. I think he's brilliant because he is an old fashioned centre back in the main. This season I've been really impressed by Cahill and Terry and that is about it. The rest are no better than Ryan. I think it could be a big problem area for England.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2014 6:36:02 GMT
So apparently ryan isn't international class, but Smalling and Jones are.
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Post by santy on May 13, 2014 6:40:55 GMT
That shows totals and Ryan has played more games than all of them, unfortunately, that criteria is inherently biased in his favour as a result. It would need to be on averages to show comparatively how the players are performing.
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Post by robinreliant on May 13, 2014 6:47:08 GMT
Perhaps when England get dumped out at the first group stage, the FA will look to Mrs Bego and Mrs Shawcross for their future selections ?
Woy can spend his retirement watching his beloved Southampton, as they fall through the leagues to their natural level.
Ryan can skipper a new England team, ably supported by Butland in goal, with a progressive style of play from the back.
Shame it'll cost England fans this World Cup to realise they've been had by the FA !
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Post by robwahlmann on May 13, 2014 6:47:27 GMT
So apparently ryan isn't international class, but Smalling and Jones are. I guess Jones is more a cover for the right back position than central defence, but time will tell!
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Post by wozzerthepotter on May 13, 2014 7:04:03 GMT
People should stop wasting their breath. Because if anybody believes that Woy gives a sh*t or believes that anybody knows better than him I can tell you from personal experience the tw*t is only concerned about himself and his image and believes he is always right!
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Post by foster on May 13, 2014 7:20:28 GMT
People should stop wasting their breath. Because if anybody believes that Woy gives a sh*t or believes that anybody knows better than him I can tell you from personal experience the tw*t is only concerned about himself and his image and believes he is always right! Still talking about Roy? or MMLC?
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Post by jonnybravo on May 13, 2014 7:27:27 GMT
I back England but hate Hodgson,the man thinks he's better than fergie even though he's achieved fuck all as a manager
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Post by spitthedog on May 13, 2014 7:31:30 GMT
Nicole for manager!
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2014 9:12:33 GMT
That comparison matrix can't be right, the brains trust on here have told us he's not international class and the we should all suck Woys todger. Ahhhhhh but you forget. Modern "defending" isn't about all that old fashioned clearing, blocking and tackling. To be a top class international modern defender you have to be "comfortable" on the ball. FFS I haven't seen Ryan do one Cryuff turn all season. Even then, he's more comfortable passing that he used to be. Matches up fairly well to some of the others.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2014 9:16:15 GMT
shit....did Ryan not make the squad??!!!!!
amazing there's been so little about it on here!
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on May 13, 2014 9:20:07 GMT
That shows totals and Ryan has played more games than all of them, unfortunately, that criteria is inherently biased in his favour as a result. It would need to be on averages to show comparatively how the players are performing. Only looked at it briefly but the percentages stack up in his favour as well if you average them out over minutes played.
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Post by boothenesque on May 13, 2014 9:20:27 GMT
There's a number for clubs that simply don't have players selected for England and there are some that do. For some reason relatively small clubs like West Ham and Southampton it's ok, but Sunderland, WBA, Hull, Wigan, Bolton, Stoke it doesn't happen. Perhaps the FA don't like going to towns that are not very nice? Take Cleverley. The only time he played well was a season at Wigan and he didn't get a mention. Then as soon as he came on as a sub for The Shit he was an England star despite now being crap. I Shawcross signed for any of the so-called glamour clubs he would instantly be in the England squad. Smalling is crap, Jagielka and Jones are ok but not great, Stones is hardly established, Shawcross is at least on par with Cahill. Shocking decision for Shawcross and although it's kind of better for Stoke if we had players playing for England it would help our brand image and hence the ability to attract players. On a personal level I'm happy because I can't stand England and hope they're the first ones to be knocked out and packed off home in shame.
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on May 13, 2014 9:24:45 GMT
It still amazes me that we can have a few who for some bizarre reason can't see just how bloody brilliant Ryan is. Weird. I think he's brilliant for us and wouldn't swap him for anybody. I still don't think he's international class though. I think he's brilliant because he is an old fashioned centre back in the main. This season I've been really impressed by Cahill and Terry and that is about it. The rest are no better than Ryan. I think it could be a big problem area for England. I think this idea that England need something other than old fashioned centre half is a complete red herring to be honest. Every year we pick defenders from clubs who regularly have 55%-60% of the ball and don't come under incessent pressure, and every time those defender fail to distribute the abll accuaretly under the pressure of playing in an England team which is regularly outpassed against any competitive opposition. I agree we need a ball playing centre half but he should be cobined with a more tarditional centre half who is comfortable under the pressure of a defensive gameplan, which despite the regular pre-tournament hype, is what England inevitably end up playing.
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Post by metalhead on May 13, 2014 9:35:59 GMT
shit....did Ryan not make the squad??!!!!! amazing there's been so little about it on here! You can understand why people are upset though?
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Post by roylandstoke on May 13, 2014 9:46:43 GMT
Given a straight choice between Smalling, Shawcross and Jones to play CB would anyone who's paid attention really not pick Ryan?
I'd go for Cahill, Terry and possibly Jagielka, but Chris Smalling?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2014 10:14:53 GMT
shit....did Ryan not make the squad??!!!!! amazing there's been so little about it on here! You can understand why people are upset though? indeed i can Sir, i simply see no point in having about 5 threads in the last day and a half for it is all
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Post by chiswickpotter on May 13, 2014 10:29:42 GMT
That shows totals and Ryan has played more games than all of them, unfortunately, that criteria is inherently biased in his favour as a result. It would need to be on averages to show comparatively how the players are performing. Oh please as it shows games and volumes surely you can do the simple division to see how superior his sets are. In fact on headers it is so blindingly obvious you don't even need to do the maths
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Post by stokiejoe on May 13, 2014 10:32:20 GMT
Last season Ryan wasn't good enough but this season he has improved as it has progressed, Huth not being available seemed to give him greater confidence and whilst I used to doubt him as captain material he now suits the role very well. The short sighted view that only a few top clubs have quality players will continue to keep us in the making up the numbers category.
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