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Post by Stretfordpotterer on May 13, 2014 15:15:59 GMT
Now this I do agree with. Scholes underated? Don't think so. He may not have done ads for Armani underpants, but he's known (and regarded) all over the world as being one of the best ever English midfielders. Not by the public at large, but certainly by a succession of England managers obsessed with showhorning media darlings Lampard and Gerrard into their team at the same time.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 13, 2014 15:22:11 GMT
This 'not suited to International football' nonsense pushed about by some Stokies is simply pie in the sky bollocks based on absolutely nothing. and equally.... this idea that he's the best in the Premiership and should be first on the WC team sheet despite no other club ever having bid for him and no-one at all apart from Stoke fans calling for him to be in there is based on absolutely nothing other than Stoke fans who have decided that they know far more about football than international and domestic football managers Are you sure no one has bid for him? Either way there seemed to be a lot of voices who thought they knew better than the current Premier League Manager of the year these past 10 years and incidentally disagree with the razor sharp judgement of the current Stoke manager on the Shawcross for England issue.
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Post by mikeyc on May 13, 2014 15:24:28 GMT
Perhaps, like Dennis Smith before him, he'll be remembered as the "best centre half England never had"
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Post by MilanStokie on May 13, 2014 15:31:27 GMT
There was another comparison matrix in The Sun yesterday quoting similar stuff but different attributes. The Sun was saying that based on key metrics determined by some sports statistics agency (not OPTA but RA Sports or something like ) that Ryan was one of 7 players who should be going to Brazil based on form and contribution over the season. Incidentally, another two of the seven quoted were Peter Crouch & John Terry. If our Centre Back pairing this summer happened to be Shawcross and Terry, I for 1 would be FAR more confident of progressing from the groups than the shower of utter shite that we currently have available for defensive duties.
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Post by greyman on May 13, 2014 15:41:03 GMT
There's probably something in that but equally the England manager hung him out to dry when he was brought on as a sub against Sweden. It was no way to judge a player at International level and Hodgson should be ashamed. I don't know whether it was Hodgson or Cahill who decided he should go up against Zlatan but completely unfair to judge him thereafter. He had more than that to judge him on though, I just think he mustn't have been impressed with what he saw in training, I doubt he's being judged on a few mins against one of the best in the world after being screwed by Cahill Maybe so, but it was enough for us to judge the character of Gary Cahill alright.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on May 13, 2014 16:03:22 GMT
and equally.... this idea that he's the best in the Premiership and should be first on the WC team sheet despite no other club ever having bid for him and no-one at all apart from Stoke fans calling for him to be in there is based on absolutely nothing other than Stoke fans who have decided that they know far more about football than international and domestic football managers Are you sure no one has bid for him? Either way there seemed to be a lot of voices who thought they knew better than the current Premier League Manager of the year these past 10 years and incidentally disagree with the razor sharp judgement of the current Stoke manager on the Shawcross for England issue. Agreed. Just because he hasn't been sold, doesn't mean that there has been no interest or even offers for Ryan. Maybe he wanted to stay at Stoke during that time. He was close to Tone who kind of "discovered" him, and likes the club and area.
Not sure how you can defend the selection process for the national team Millsy. Disregarding the evidence of our own eyes, Ryan's experience and club captaincy, the views of his fellow professionals, even the stats make a case for his inclusion in the squad. If the barely fit Jagielka or Cahill get injured, we are down to the also injured Jones, rookie Stones or crap Smalling.
Ryan will fall further behind Caulker next season if he signs for Liverpool as rumoured. By signing for Liverpool, he will suddenly be deemed to be of international quality, like err, Jay Spearing and Martin Kelly.
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Post by ukcstokie on May 13, 2014 16:10:31 GMT
We all know how these things work. Somebody calls a player's agent to see if they're interested in a move. Player's agent says yes or no. If yes club make moves.
Given Alex Ferguson's comments about Ryan, I find it hard to believe that Man U haven't made approaches to secure Ryan's return. I just think that Ryan had decided that gaining experience was more important rather than play 15-20 games/season at somewhere like Man U. So maybe Ryan's agent is onboard with this and kept on saying "not interested"?
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Post by bignickhowes on May 13, 2014 20:40:40 GMT
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Post by lastoftheldk on May 13, 2014 22:09:59 GMT
We all know how these things work. Somebody calls a player's agent to see if they're interested in a move. Player's agent says yes or no. If yes club make moves. Given Alex Ferguson's comments about Ryan, I find it hard to believe that Man U haven't made approaches to secure Ryan's return. I just think that Ryan had decided that gaining experience was more important rather than play 15-20 games/season at somewhere like Man U. So maybe Ryan's agent is onboard with this and kept on saying "not interested"? , most agents don't give a crap
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Post by lastoftheldk on May 13, 2014 22:22:06 GMT
Where do you think he would go. ? Man Utd have just lost two centre backs, and the others left are hardly covering themselves in glory. It will depend on who the new boss is - LVG may have a more continental taste in signings - but he was brought up playing there and there was always rumours, never totally dismissed, that they had first refusal if he ever left Stoke. The shit, shitterpool, arseols for the last season and a half have been weak in the center half position but have not made a bid for any Stoke player shitterpool where looking at Wilson and Whelan but a few seasons ago
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Post by lastoftheldk on May 13, 2014 22:28:03 GMT
Fair enough, but for me, we had better options at the time in Paul Scholes and David Beckham. Gazza was never the same after this injury in 1991. Prior to that, I think for a short while he was one of the very best players in the world. Now the way Paul Scholes was used at international level, now there is a real footballing tragedy if ever there was one, Englands starting 11 could/should have been built around Paul Scholes for the best part of 3 world cups and 2 euros. Instead successive managers preferred to built there midfields around the inferior and incompatible Gerrard and Lampard. Read somewhere that Scholes really wanted to play for Ireland
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Post by ihaveadream on May 14, 2014 12:46:44 GMT
Hodgson Out
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