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Post by Linx on May 10, 2014 12:56:39 GMT
Kevin Kilbane and Lawro were discussing the England squad centre back 'crisis' due to the recent Phil Jones injury. They considered Stones, but said he hadn't played enough games, then Lawro says, 'Of course, the best English centre back in terms of form is not going'. I thought for a second he was going to say Ryan but, of course, he says John Terry. They then all ruefully pondered this and couldn't offer anyone else.
I just can't figure why Ryan is so below the radar.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on May 10, 2014 13:01:13 GMT
I'm glad he's below the radar, he was well and truly fucked over last time he played for England his confidence was shattered and he was then hung out to dry afterwards, fuck Woy and England and lets keep Ryan happy at Stoke ready for a challenge on the top 6 next season. Gouranga.  |
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Post by wrighter on May 10, 2014 13:01:38 GMT
Its because he plays for Stoke............end of sadly  Would be a regular, probably even captain if he played for the " so called top 4 " |
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Post by harryburrows on May 10, 2014 13:05:05 GMT
it was discussed in one paper this week 4 or 5 names were mentioned including curtis davis & caulker .ryan didnt get a mention
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Post by ChiefWiggum on May 10, 2014 13:06:39 GMT
Kevin Kilbane and Lawro were discussing the England squad centre back 'crisis' due to the recent Phil Jones injury. They considered Stones, but said he hadn't played enough games, then Lawro says, 'Of course, the best English centre back in terms of form is not going'. I thought for a second he was going to say Ryan but, of course, he says John Terry. They then all ruefully pondered this and couldn't offer anyone else. I just can't figure why Ryan is so below the radar. This. Nor can I mate. He's got better and better every season he's had with us but is constantly overlooked and can't get in the squad because of so-called better defenders like Steven Caulker and Chris Smalling. It's a joke really, if a bigger club were to sign him, Woy would have him straight in the squad. |
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Post by Stokester on May 10, 2014 13:10:07 GMT
To be honest it's probably a good thing for us. Another outstanding season, wouldn't want any of the big boys to come sniffing.
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Post by RAF on May 10, 2014 13:12:13 GMT
Roy Hodgson is a feckless stuttering lying brown nosing fucking cunt and there is nothing else to say on the matter.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on May 10, 2014 13:14:14 GMT
Roy Hodgson is a feckless stuttering lying brown nosing fucking cunt and there is nothing else to say on the matter. H Come on spit it out tell us what you really think of Woy. Gouranga. |
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Post by FullerMagic on May 10, 2014 13:14:38 GMT
Would things be different if we could erase the whole Ramsey thing from history?
It seems to have been one of those things, thanks to the odious Wenger, that has done him in for good.
The perception of him changed overnight from a promising young player to a hulking thug.
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Post by mrcoke on May 10, 2014 13:15:04 GMT
Assuming Ryan isn't picked on Monday(?), I hope he says "up you" and takes his family on a long holiday to unwind, get some quality rest, and recharges his batteries for next season. He's earned it.
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Post by trigger on May 10, 2014 13:20:25 GMT
And you're surprised how ??
I couldn't give flying fcuk about England, the geriatric buffoons who represent the FA or the Referees Association (snigger) or anyone else come to think about it.
I support Stoke !! the only pleasing thought is when the saggy faced Hodgson is relieved (sacked) of his duties after a calamitous World Cup campaign and the FA get together to discuss what went wrong and how to improve for the Euros, I'll tell you why because we're shit.
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Post by jeycov on May 10, 2014 13:21:35 GMT
Assuming Ryan isn't picked on Monday(?), I hope he says "up you" and takes his family on a long holiday to unwind, get some quality rest, and recharges his batteries for next season. He's earned it. If I was him I would seriously consider changing allegiance to Wales. Forget Ramasy, Hughes may be able to offer him some advice on this matter. He deserves the chance to play international football. |
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Post by mrpickles on May 10, 2014 13:21:57 GMT
Bit late, but a big banner at West Brom wouldn't go amiss. "Wyan is English too Woy" would do. Either that, or we could hijack a radio phone in. Lets make some noise  I know it will have no effect, but it would certainly make me feel better. |
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Post by Clem Fandango on May 10, 2014 13:22:35 GMT
Kevin Kilbane and Lawro were discussing the England squad centre back 'crisis' due to the recent Phil Jones injury. They considered Stones, but said he hadn't played enough games, then Lawro says, 'Of course, the best English centre back in terms of form is not going'. I thought for a second he was going to say Ryan but, of course, he says John Terry. They then all ruefully pondered this and couldn't offer anyone else. I just can't figure why Ryan is so below the radar.I can't figure it out either its like everybody else thinks he's a different nationality to not even get a mention is ludicrus. But to be honest though its shit like this which makes me struggle to get behind England. |
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Post by agingerstokie on May 10, 2014 13:25:22 GMT
It is not so much the fact that Shawcross ISN'T mentioned it's the fact that Caulker and Davies are mentioned AHEAD of him when neither have proved themselves ANYWHERE NEAR as much as him.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2014 13:43:39 GMT
It just enforces my dislike of the whole England set up and that halfwit of a manager.
Ryan came on as sub against a Sweden side who were determined to put on a good show that night. He was then supposed to mark one of the worlds deadliest strikers who was clearly having the game of his life.
Bad positioning resulted in a goal for Sweden but that doesn't make him a bad defender who is constantly overlooked. For me it was bad management. To throw a debutante into that game at that particular point was a ludicrous managerial decision. Wouldn't it have been better to give Ryan his chance in one of the meaningless friendlies against lesser opposition England played in the lead up to the Sweden game ? By doing that it would have given Ryan the chance to settle gently into the set up with no pressure allowing him to grow in confidence and later flourish in that position.
Bad management ruined his England chances I'm afraid. Hopefully the current manager will be exposed for the clueless buffoon he is during the World Cup and soon after get sacked leaving the door open for a new appointment who will consider Ryan, give him a chance and more importantly manage the player in a better manner.
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Post by eddy on May 10, 2014 13:45:44 GMT
It's baffling to be honest. Young, English captain of one of the top 10 teams in the country, more talent in his left testicle than in the entirety of Caulker and Davies combined. Roy can do one for omitting him, but its Ryan I feel sorry for. What more could the lad possibly do to represent his country? What better role model could the children of England ever hope to have?
Oh well, at least it lets him focus on the club that he clearly cares about. Ryan would do anything for SCFC, I doubt if Steven Caulker could locate Cardiff on a map. Probably couldn't even confidently tell you what country it's in.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2014 13:46:46 GMT
Best centre half not going, my arse!!! Biggest S---house!!!!!!!
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Post by miltonpotterfan on May 10, 2014 13:55:54 GMT
good club player
world cup standard NO
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Post by chinesedave on May 10, 2014 13:56:27 GMT
Roy Hodgson is a feckless stuttering lying brown nosing fucking cunt and there is nothing else to say on the matter. H This is 100% correct |
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Post by FullerMagic on May 10, 2014 13:57:27 GMT
good club player world cup standard NO But does he deserve to be mentioned alongside the likes of Jones, Smalling, Caulker, Davies, Stones and Dawson? Surely that's a MASSIVE yes? |
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Post by jbstokie on May 10, 2014 14:00:44 GMT
good club player world cup standard NO England don't have any world class defenders so that argument is flawed. We're not comparing him to the likes of Maldini, we're comparing him to the likes of Smalling. |
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Post by FullerMagic on May 10, 2014 14:04:38 GMT
All the people in the mix play against people like Aguero, Rooney, Suarez, Dzeko, Lukaku etc every week in pressurised games in big atmospheres.
Is 'World Cup standard' a level above and beyond that?
Admittedly this is not a vintage defensive crop with big personalities like Adams, Butcher, Ferdinand, Terry, Campbell - which just makes it more bizarre he is completely erased from the conversation.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2014 14:08:17 GMT
I could understand it if his name was mentioned and after discussion it was decided that for whatever reason, he wasn't quite what was needed. But for someone who's been consistently solid (at worst) and largely awesome for the past few years to not even get a mention (and he rarely does), it just seems very odd.
Personally, I think if he'd been given a few games, he'd have grown into the role, just as he's adapted to Stoke's new style after a slightly dodgy start. It's a real shame for Ryan (assuming he wants to play for his country) that he seems to have been put onto the scrap heap internationally without being given a fair chance.
It stinks!
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Post by withnall on May 10, 2014 14:22:01 GMT
Assuming Ryan isn't picked on Monday(?), I hope he says "up you" and takes his family on a long holiday to unwind, get some quality rest, and recharges his batteries for next season. He's earned it. If I was him I would seriously consider changing allegiance to Wales. . Get fucked, Turn Welsh just because the England manager is a tit? |
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Post by withnall on May 10, 2014 14:29:52 GMT
Thinking about it, hasn't Ryan tried being Welsh once?
The Vinny Jones influence perhaps?
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Post by lastoftheldk on May 10, 2014 14:33:34 GMT
Thought he is Welsh
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Post by coates on May 10, 2014 14:34:09 GMT
good club player world cup standard NO All I ever see is you slate Ryan and other players, vale fan on a wind up??? |
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Post by mattythestokie on May 10, 2014 14:35:59 GMT
'Shawcross for England' chant tomorrow?
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Post by coates on May 10, 2014 14:36:12 GMT
Would things be different if we could erase the whole Ramsey thing from history? It seems to have been one of those things, thanks to the odious Wenger, that has done him in for good. The perception of him changed overnight from a promising young player to a hulking thug. For the average fan outside stoke Shawcross is seen as a slow minded thug, all because of that vile club that is arsenal. The problem with alot of people when they think of Shawcross they think about that tackle not his brilliant defending. |
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