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Post by robinplumpton on May 10, 2014 21:10:07 GMT
Have got the Panini Stickers World Cup Album for my boys. They are avidly collecting stickers for teams that they know nothing about. My youngest ( aged 4) is well chuffed because he has a Stoke player....and thats Wilson. I will continue to buy them World Cup stickers and when either of my boys get a Geoff or Asmir we will give it large. There is no whooping in our house over Messi, Neyma or Ronaldo, they have as much interest in the Ivory Coast beecause their kit is a better colour. So, if Ryan never plays for England again, I dont care and I will make sure that my boys will always know that any Stoke player in any international kit is worth rooting for, but any player is only worth supporting in a Stoke kit
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Post by jbstokie on May 10, 2014 21:12:35 GMT
Thanks pickles so Fergie said he would have kept Ryan if he had known that the other lad was going to go back to Spain he did not say it was a big mistake to let our Ryan go But it does show that Ferguson thought that they had comparable ability. Since then one has gained dozens of caps for his country whilst winning everything there is to win, the other has a single cap in a meaningless game.
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Post by takeshikovacs on May 10, 2014 22:29:56 GMT
It just enforces my dislike of the whole England set up and that halfwit of a manager. Ryan came on as sub against a Sweden side who were determined to put on a good show that night. He was then supposed to mark one of the worlds deadliest strikers who was clearly having the game of his life. Bad positioning resulted in a goal for Sweden but that doesn't make him a bad defender who is constantly overlooked. For me it was bad management. To throw a debutante into that game at that particular point was a ludicrous managerial decision. Wouldn't it have been better to give Ryan his chance in one of the meaningless friendlies against lesser opposition England played in the lead up to the Sweden game ? By doing that it would have given Ryan the chance to settle gently into the set up with no pressure allowing him to grow in confidence and later flourish in that position. Bad management ruined his England chances I'm afraid. Hopefully the current manager will be exposed for the clueless buffoon he is during the World Cup and soon after get sacked leaving the door open for a new appointment who will consider Ryan, give him a chance and more importantly manage the player in a better manner. Yes...and no. Let's not be blinkered on this issue just because we're Stokies. Ryan was always going to be a marginal / fringe selection for England. He was given a chance, albeit in difficult circumstances, and he underperformed. We can't cry about it. He had a chance, and didn't take it. Now, I'm not at all disappointed about it, as I'm a Stoke fan, not an England fan, and if this means we have Ryan as a dedicated Stokie for years to come, then that's brilliant. Hodgson will likely be pensioned off after another mindnumbingly inept showing from England in the World Cup. With a new broom, who knows what the international future may be for Ryan.
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Post by fortressbritannia on May 10, 2014 22:38:09 GMT
A genuine question.
Do we think that we'll ever see Ryan in an England shirt again?
Yes or No.
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Post by mrpickles on May 10, 2014 22:40:16 GMT
A genuine question. Do we think that we'll ever see Ryan in an England shirt again? Yes or No. Not at 90 quid a throw. Fucking rip off.
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on May 10, 2014 22:43:09 GMT
He has well and truly been fucked over by a lot of people within the game and deserves far better. If this is how talented model proffesionals are treated, then the national side will never progress. The mould was set with Huddy. Beckenbauer wondered where the hell had we been hiding him? I'm afraid the Ramsey thing has made Ryan media toxic. But I guess he does not fit the "Big player Big Club Prima Donna Society Bollocks" of the current England 'squad'.
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Post by prem4stoke on May 10, 2014 23:04:03 GMT
It just enforces my dislike of the whole England set up and that halfwit of a manager. Ryan came on as sub against a Sweden side who were determined to put on a good show that night. He was then supposed to mark one of the worlds deadliest strikers who was clearly having the game of his life. Bad positioning resulted in a goal for Sweden but that doesn't make him a bad defender who is constantly overlooked. For me it was bad management. To throw a debutante into that game at that particular point was a ludicrous managerial decision. Wouldn't it have been better to give Ryan his chance in one of the meaningless friendlies against lesser opposition England played in the lead up to the Sweden game ? By doing that it would have given Ryan the chance to settle gently into the set up with no pressure allowing him to grow in confidence and later flourish in that position. Bad management ruined his England chances I'm afraid. Hopefully the current manager will be exposed for the clueless buffoon he is during the World Cup and soon after get sacked leaving the door open for a new appointment who will consider Ryan, give him a chance and more importantly manage the player in a better manner. Yes...and no. Let's not be blinkered on this issue just because we're Stokies. Ryan was always going to be a marginal / fringe selection for England. He was given a chance, albeit in difficult circumstances, and he underperformed. We can't cry about it. He had a chance, and didn't take it. Now, I'm not at all disappointed about it, as I'm a Stoke fan, not an England fan, and if this means we have Ryan as a dedicated Stokie for years to come, then that's brilliant. Hodgson will likely be pensioned off after another mindnumbingly inept showing from England in the World Cup. With a new broom, who knows what the international future may be for Ryan. Exactly this, others can get away with a mistake or two Ryan really had to be in top form that night.
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Post by whereami on May 11, 2014 0:43:51 GMT
It just enforces my dislike of the whole England set up and that halfwit of a manager. Ryan came on as sub against a Sweden side who were determined to put on a good show that night. He was then supposed to mark one of the worlds deadliest strikers who was clearly having the game of his life. Bad positioning resulted in a goal for Sweden but that doesn't make him a bad defender who is constantly overlooked. For me it was bad management. To throw a debutante into that game at that particular point was a ludicrous managerial decision. Wouldn't it have been better to give Ryan his chance in one of the meaningless friendlies against lesser opposition England played in the lead up to the Sweden game ? By doing that it would have given Ryan the chance to settle gently into the set up with no pressure allowing him to grow in confidence and later flourish in that position. Bad management ruined his England chances I'm afraid. Hopefully the current manager will be exposed for the clueless buffoon he is during the World Cup and soon after get sacked leaving the door open for a new appointment who will consider Ryan, give him a chance and more importantly manage the player in a better manner. Yes...and no. Let's not be blinkered on this issue just because we're Stokies. Ryan was always going to be a marginal / fringe selection for England. He was given a chance, albeit in difficult circumstances, and he underperformed. We can't cry about it. He had a chance, and didn't take it. Now, I'm not at all disappointed about it, as I'm a Stoke fan, not an England fan, and if this means we have Ryan as a dedicated Stokie for years to come, then that's brilliant. Hodgson will likely be pensioned off after another mindnumbingly inept showing from England in the World Cup. With a new broom, who knows what the international future may be for Ryan. Its the hypocrisy that gets me. The worst performance ive seen from an England player for many, many a year was Cleverley vs Ukraine, but because he became untouchable as soon as he signed for manu it gets swept aside, becomes just "a bad game from a young lad who's got a lot to learn and will improve" etc. I dont blame the public at large for not seeing it because a lot of people see what they're told to see, which is why Le Tissier only got 8 caps for England and no-one even considered how much value he'd have had as an impact sub when we'd be inevitably chasing a game, even if they bought the "lazy" tag about him starting. Kind of expected more from Hodgson at first but as soon as he started packing the team with Liverpool players because of his own inferiority complex after the job he did there, and packing it with man u players because its good for the FA, then he can rotate his owl head 180 degrees and fuck himself with his own beak for all I'm concerned.
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Post by stokeramblers on May 11, 2014 7:30:51 GMT
He can rotate his owl head 180 degrees and fuck himself with his own beak for all I'm concerned.
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Post by nott1 on May 11, 2014 11:01:54 GMT
Don't they know he played for The Shite?
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 11, 2014 11:08:33 GMT
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Post by MilanStokie on May 11, 2014 11:16:30 GMT
"Should Shawcross be in the 23 man squad" Pick you team:
Shawcross not even on this list either, which includes Flanagan and bloody Mike Williamson.....
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Post by pyrus on May 11, 2014 11:29:13 GMT
It just enforces my dislike of the whole England set up and that halfwit of a manager. Ryan came on as sub against a Sweden side who were determined to put on a good show that night. He was then supposed to mark one of the worlds deadliest strikers who was clearly having the game of his life. Bad positioning resulted in a goal for Sweden but that doesn't make him a bad defender who is constantly overlooked. For me it was bad management. To throw a debutante into that game at that particular point was a ludicrous managerial decision. Wouldn't it have been better to give Ryan his chance in one of the meaningless friendlies against lesser opposition England played in the lead up to the Sweden game ? By doing that it would have given Ryan the chance to settle gently into the set up with no pressure allowing him to grow in confidence and later flourish in that position. Bad management ruined his England chances I'm afraid. Hopefully the current manager will be exposed for the clueless buffoon he is during the World Cup and soon after get sacked leaving the door open for a new appointment who will consider Ryan, give him a chance and more importantly manage the player in a better manner. Yes...and no. Let's not be blinkered on this issue just because we're Stokies. Ryan was always going to be a marginal / fringe selection for England. He was given a chance, albeit in difficult circumstances, and he underperformed. We can't cry about it. He had a chance, and didn't take it. Now, I'm not at all disappointed about it, as I'm a Stoke fan, not an England fan, and if this means we have Ryan as a dedicated Stokie for years to come, then that's brilliant. Hodgson will likely be pensioned off after another mindnumbingly inept showing from England in the World Cup. With a new broom, who knows what the international future may be for Ryan. Based on that logic, Stuart Pearce should never have been picked again for gifting that goal to San Marino, the only one they had ever scored in a meaningful match.
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Post by BuzzB on May 11, 2014 11:36:42 GMT
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Post by JetBlack on May 11, 2014 11:42:50 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 11, 2014 11:47:47 GMT
Yes...and no. Let's not be blinkered on this issue just because we're Stokies. Ryan was always going to be a marginal / fringe selection for England. He was given a chance, albeit in difficult circumstances, and he underperformed. We can't cry about it. He had a chance, and didn't take it. Now, I'm not at all disappointed about it, as I'm a Stoke fan, not an England fan, and if this means we have Ryan as a dedicated Stokie for years to come, then that's brilliant. Hodgson will likely be pensioned off after another mindnumbingly inept showing from England in the World Cup. With a new broom, who knows what the international future may be for Ryan. Based on that logic, Stuart Pearce should never have been picked again for gifting that goal to San Marino, the only one they had ever scored in a meaningful match. Cahill looked like Bambi on ice in his initial England performances and as recently as last Autumn was made to look like Stephen Tweed by Kenny Miller. Cahill is rightly the player in situ but lets not think that Shawcross has been afforded the same courtesies as others have.
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Post by metalhead on May 11, 2014 12:15:58 GMT
Does anyone actually care that much? I'd love to see him in an England squad at the World Cup, but one man doesn't make a team and while Ryan would improve the team immensely, we'd still be shit and we'd still probably go out in the group stages.
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Post by fca47 on May 11, 2014 12:22:15 GMT
I don't give a damn personally, it comes down to how Ryan feels really. Always said he should have opted for Wales.
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Post by baystokie on May 11, 2014 12:41:15 GMT
I don't give a damn personally, it comes down to how Ryan feels really. Always said he should have opted for Wales. Nobody within the FA hierarchy will ever go public on why Ryan has been overlooked. Hoever, I suspect they are seriously worried that, with many foreign referees in charge, Ryan's robust(!) tackling, physical 'hands-on' (literally) approach will be severely penalised. English referees are used to him and have a greater degree of tolerance - this will not be the case with World Cup referees operating under the scrutiny of a world wide audience. I can just picture the reaction of Cristiano Ronaldo/Messi to having Ryan all over them like a rash?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2014 12:48:09 GMT
Boils my fucking piss. Williamson? Jesus! "Southamptonphile" - fucking brilliant
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2014 13:30:53 GMT
I don't give a damn personally, it comes down to how Ryan feels really. Always said he should have opted for Wales. Nobody within the FA hierarchy will ever go public on why Ryan has been overlooked. Hoever, I suspect they are seriously worried that, with many foreign referees in charge, Ryan's robust(!) tackling, physical 'hands-on' (literally) approach will be severely penalised. English referees are used to him and have a greater degree of tolerance - this will not be the case with World Cup referees operating under the scrutiny of a world wide audience. I can just picture the reaction of Cristiano Ronaldo/Messi to having Ryan all over them like a rash? You sound like someone else that's been infected by the media's view of Ryan to me. Every centre half in the league does what Ryan does - and to the same extent too. But the media highlight Ryan - it's bollocks. [Not you, the media ]
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Post by southcarolinastokie on May 11, 2014 13:42:54 GMT
Sadly Ryan has been tarnished by the Ramsey incident and Pulisball. I watch the game with a bunch of different English over here every week and they still say Ryan cannot play football. He is tarnished goods in the eyes of the media and the average football man. I'm not sure despite how well he is playing with the ball at his feet if he will ever get rid of the notion that he cannot play. Sad but true
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 11, 2014 18:51:41 GMT
Sadly Ryan has been tarnished by the Ramsey incident and Pulisball. I watch the game with a bunch of different English over here every week and they still say Ryan cannot play football. He is tarnished goods in the eyes of the media and the average football man. I'm not sure despite how well he is playing with the ball at his feet if he will ever get rid of the notion that he cannot play. Sad but true He got his cap under 'Pulisball'?
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Post by southcarolinastokie on May 11, 2014 18:56:14 GMT
Sadly Ryan has been tarnished by the Ramsey incident and Pulisball. I watch the game with a bunch of different English over here every week and they still say Ryan cannot play football. He is tarnished goods in the eyes of the media and the average football man. I'm not sure despite how well he is playing with the ball at his feet if he will ever get rid of the notion that he cannot play. Sad but true He got his cap under 'Pulisball'? I still think that was a big fat fuck you to him. Pretty much along the lines of "lets hang him out there to dry against Zlatan and we can prove he is shit". No matter what he does, he could score the winner in the next two FA cup finbals and he still wouldn't be picked, one appearance for United and he'd be picked, guaranteed
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Post by Clem Fandango on May 11, 2014 19:02:31 GMT
What annoys me about that article is that they use the phrase 'rugged defender' they didn't need to use it and I'm sure they wouldn't use it to describe any other english defender in the prem and its shit like that which is probably keeping Ryan out of contention. But fuck'em if Woy thinks Smalling and Jones are the answer then he's obviously given up on defending.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2014 19:20:25 GMT
Said it before he should go and play for Wales. He'd get 50+ caps and play regularly against Europe's best teams and he would be a better player for it. Got some half decent players in their squad to be fair, good enough to be competitive anyway....
Wayne Hennessey (Crystal Palace)
Adam Matthews (Celtic) Ryan Shawcross Ashley Williams (Swansea) Ben Davies (Swansea)
Joe Allen (Liverpool) Joe Ledley (Crystal Palace)
Andy King (Leicester) Aaron Ramsey (Arsenal) Gareth Bale (Real Madrid)
Sam Vokes (Burnley)
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Post by BuzzB on May 11, 2014 21:20:54 GMT
Said it before he should go and play for Wales. He'd get 50+ caps and play regularly against Europe's best teams and he would be a better player for it. Got some half decent players in their squad to be fair, good enough to be competitive anyway.... Wayne Hennessey (Crystal Palace) Adam Matthews (Celtic) Ryan Shawcross Ashley Williams (Swansea) Ben Davies (Swansea) Joe Allen (Liverpool) Joe Ledley (Crystal Palace) Andy King (Leicester) Aaron Ramsey (Arsenal) Gareth Bale (Real Madrid) Sam Vokes (Burnley) this, he would be a better player for it too.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2014 6:04:08 GMT
What annoys me about that article is that they use the phrase 'rugged defender' they didn't need to use it and I'm sure they wouldn't use it to describe any other english defender in the prem and its shit like that which is probably keeping Ryan out of contention. But fuck'em if Woy thinks Smalling and Jones are the answer then he's obviously given up on defending. I noticed "rugged" too. 7 yellows in 43 games, what a beast.
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Post by slogger on May 12, 2014 6:53:51 GMT
I sure a lot of people on here will shill be cheering England on soon . Even tho England is no long a team the represents the English people but represents the the top teams in the premiership . Your no longer rewarded for merit but picked for who you play for. and what the media says should play ... But they don't mind you paying 90 quid for there shirt . Fuck em I say
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Post by RAF on May 12, 2014 7:02:04 GMT
Said it before he should go and play for Wales. He'd get 50+ caps and play regularly against Europe's best teams and he would be a better player for it. Got some half decent players in their squad to be fair, good enough to be competitive anyway.... Wayne Hennessey (Crystal Palace) Adam Matthews (Celtic) Ryan Shawcross Ashley Williams (Swansea) Ben Davies (Swansea) Joe Allen (Liverpool) Joe Ledley (Crystal Palace) Andy King (Leicester) Aaron Ramsey (Arsenal) Gareth Bale (Real Madrid) Sam Vokes (Burnley) That's only if Ramsey gave his blessing. Fuck that calcium deficient little cunt. H
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