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Post by bathstoke on May 10, 2014 14:39:53 GMT
Roy Hodgson is a feckless stuttering lying brown nosing fucking cunt and there is nothing else to say on the matter. H & that's why he got the job. Keeping the status quo...
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Post by trigger on May 10, 2014 14:48:26 GMT
Ryan is head and shoulders above any current English defender based on his club form, his talents should have been nurtured years ago by the FA in order to ready him for major tournaments.
Was he better than Cahill when at Bolton, to right he was but off he goes to Chelsea and we know the rest.
Prior to the Sweden game Ryan looked as if he had leprosy during training and when on the bench he wasn't in the "click" and sat alone, I really felt for the lad.
He is good enough but doesn't play for a bigger/trendier team, have major sponsors chasing him, knobbinng someones wife/girlfriend, has a celebrity halfwit hanging on his arm (sry Pete) or pictured falling out of a clubl at 04:00 he's just your average bloke you'd appreciate and buy a beer or two when he's in your local.
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Post by mozzer68 on May 10, 2014 15:13:19 GMT
The fact that he isn't mentioned when players like Caulker and Davies are is an utter fuckin joke. I think collectivley the FA, the media, Wenger and perhaps to a degree some of the current England playing squad are all to blame.
I am not suggesting he should be nailed on for a place in the squad, simply that he should have been given a fair crack at proving to Hodgson what WE already know about him.
He has well and truly been fucked over by a lot of people within the game and deserves far better. If this is how talented model proffesionals are treated, then the national side will never progress.
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Post by starkiller on May 10, 2014 15:33:28 GMT
good club player world cup standard NO Most of the England squad could just about claim that. Anyway, they'll be on the plane home before Shawcross will have had chance to pack for his holiday.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 10, 2014 15:38:41 GMT
Roy Hodgson is a feckless stuttering lying brown nosing fucking cunt and there is nothing else to say on the matter. H Nail on head there RAF. Woy and his wankers can go and get fucked.
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Post by desman2 on May 10, 2014 15:44:34 GMT
It just enforces my dislike of the whole England set up and that halfwit of a manager. Ryan came on as sub against a Sweden side who were determined to put on a good show that night. He was then supposed to mark one of the worlds deadliest strikers who was clearly having the game of his life. Bad positioning resulted in a goal for Sweden but that doesn't make him a bad defender who is constantly overlooked. For me it was bad management. To throw a debutante into that game at that particular point was a ludicrous managerial decision. Wouldn't it have been better to give Ryan his chance in one of the meaningless friendlies against lesser opposition England played in the lead up to the Sweden game ? By doing that it would have given Ryan the chance to settle gently into the set up with no pressure allowing him to grow in confidence and later flourish in that position. Bad management ruined his England chances I'm afraid. Hopefully the current manager will be exposed for the clueless buffoon he is during the World Cup and soon after get sacked leaving the door open for a new appointment who will consider Ryan, give him a chance and more importantly manage the player in a better manner. None mentions the fuck ups the other two made for the other Swedish goals
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2014 16:18:57 GMT
I'm glad he's below the radar, he was well and truly fucked over last time he played for England his confidence was shattered and he was then hung out to dry afterwards, fuck Woy and England and lets keep Ryan happy at Stoke ready for a challenge on the top 6 next season. Gouranga. Got to agree with this (apart from the top 6 bit!) I feel for Ryan if he wants international football but from my point of view I'd prefer him just to play for Stoke. I don't care much for England, I don't want Ryan to have the chance to get injured when playing for them which will be far more damaging to us than England, so fuck them. Sorry. Stoke comes a long way ahead of England for me. A long way.
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Post by partickpotter on May 10, 2014 16:24:29 GMT
good club player world cup standard NO Your point is fucking stupid. If we apply that standard to the entire squad, we'd be lucky to field a 5-a-side team. The point is Ryan is as good as, and arguably better than, many of the options being debated as centre back candidates for inclusion in the squad. It is amazing a player with six years PL experience in one of the most respected defences in the division, who is also captain of a side that will (hopefully) secure a top half finish to the season, doesn't come up in any media discussion.
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Post by Olgrligm on May 10, 2014 16:52:16 GMT
'Shawcross for England' should have been going up at the ground all season. Somebody would have noticed sooner or later.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2014 16:56:35 GMT
Fcuk England the twats.
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Post by robstokie on May 10, 2014 17:06:42 GMT
Unfortunately, whilst he is with us, he will always be overlooked by Woy and the rest of the twats at the FA, which, considering Smalling, Caulker and Davies are all ahead of him in Woys plans, is nothing short of a fucking crime. If however, he went to ,say, Man United for instance, Woy and his crew would be knobbing him and he would become a squad regular at the very least.
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Post by stokefanone on May 10, 2014 17:13:50 GMT
Reminds me of the Dennis Smith fiasco back in the 70's. Alan Dodd also overlooked by England. Nothing ever changes when it comes to Stoke defenders and England!
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 10, 2014 17:26:01 GMT
Reminds me of the Dennis Smith fiasco back in the 70's. Alan Dodd also overlooked by England. Nothing ever changes when it comes to Stoke defenders and England! To be fair it was different with King Denis because there WERE good defenders around to keep him out of England contention; Charlton, McFarland, Labone to mention just 3. Denis was also very injury prone as well.
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Post by Kjones9 on May 10, 2014 17:32:14 GMT
It shouldn't matter what these pundits say...
But it does.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on May 10, 2014 17:47:21 GMT
Its because he plays for Stoke............end of sadly Would be a regular, probably even captain if he played for the " so called top 4 " And he doesn't play for the top four for a very good reason. It is the same reason he doesn't get international consideration. Ryan is wonderful for us but his style of defending is all wrong for Champions League and international football. There is no conspiracy about this.
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Post by snig on May 10, 2014 17:50:18 GMT
It's like shawcross doesn't exist and he's our imagery friend
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Post by mrpickles on May 10, 2014 17:51:46 GMT
It's like shawcross doesn't exist and he's our imagery friend Who?
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Post by TheBra1n on May 10, 2014 18:14:38 GMT
he will get picked for England the second he signs for manure, sad but true
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Post by ed5993 on May 10, 2014 18:23:16 GMT
Its because he plays for Stoke............end of sadly Would be a regular, probably even captain if he played for the " so called top 4 " In this case, I don't think that's quite fair.... he had a bit of a stinker in his England debut and came up against Ibrahimovic in top form. However, given the recent 'crisis' of defenders I don't quite understand how he has been completely overlooked like he has been. Smalling and Jones have been average all season, but I'm sure at least one of them will make the squad.
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Post by coates on May 10, 2014 19:34:10 GMT
Its because he plays for Stoke............end of sadly Would be a regular, probably even captain if he played for the " so called top 4 " In this case, I don't think that's quite fair.... he had a bit of a stinker in his England debut and came up against Ibrahimovic in top form. However, given the recent 'crisis' of defenders I don't quite understand how he has been completely overlooked like he has been. Smalling and Jones have been average all season, but I'm sure at least one of them will make the squad. It was a friendly anyway shame for Shawcross zlatan actually turned up for that game.
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Post by sonofbanks on May 10, 2014 19:44:05 GMT
One of the reasons I am not going to Brazil. (I would have gone, have now decided to go elsewhere ) don't get me wrong, I love my country, have followed them everywhere, spent way too much money on world cups / European in South Africa / Germany / etc, would have loved to have gone, if Ryan was playing I would be there like a shot for him . The way the england set up is arranged by the London media is shit. Fuck em.
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Post by wrighter on May 10, 2014 19:52:15 GMT
Its because he plays for Stoke............end of sadly Would be a regular, probably even captain if he played for the " so called top 4 " And he doesn't play for the top four for a very good reason. It is the same reason he doesn't get international consideration. Ryan is wonderful for us but his style of defending is all wrong for Champions League and international football. There is no conspiracy about this. oh i see, this must be the reason why Fergie was stated as saying letting Ryan go was a very big mistake then
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Post by wrighter on May 10, 2014 19:53:36 GMT
What are the odds Woy will be at St.Marys again tomorrow ?
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Post by foxysgloves on May 10, 2014 20:13:28 GMT
Its because he plays for Stoke............end of sadly Would be a regular, probably even captain if he played for the " so called top 4 " And he doesn't play for the top four for a very good reason. It is the same reason he doesn't get international consideration. Ryan is wonderful for us but his style of defending is all wrong for Champions League and international football. There is no conspiracy about this. Unlike many of his "superiors" at top four clubs, Ryan's style of defending actually involves some actual defending rather than poncing around with a ridiculous haircut and/or complaining every time he gets nudged gently by an opposing striker. Fact is Ryan is a fantastic defender and he defends far more than those at top four clubs due to the very fact that we aren't a top four club. He plays against players who are invariably superior to what we have up front and he defends in a defence made up of (apart from him and Bego) players who wouldn't get near a top four side. If Hodgson had his own mind and/or a pair of balls he would have given Ryan much more opportunity than he has. He would at least have done him the courtesy of tearing himself away from the south coast to watch him. It's an insult to Stoke and a total snub of a player who deserves so much more. He's exactly the kind of character and defender England need.
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Post by lastoftheldk on May 10, 2014 20:30:07 GMT
And he doesn't play for the top four for a very good reason. It is the same reason he doesn't get international consideration. Ryan is wonderful for us but his style of defending is all wrong for Champions League and international football. There is no conspiracy about this. oh i see, this must be the reason why Fergie was stated as saying letting Ryan go was a very big mistake then When did fergie say this
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Post by trigger on May 10, 2014 20:36:24 GMT
Its because he plays for Stoke............end of sadly Would be a regular, probably even captain if he played for the " so called top 4 " And he doesn't play for the top four for a very good reason. It is the same reason he doesn't get international consideration. Ryan is wonderful for us but his style of defending is all wrong for Champions League and international football. Oh really?? So I've dreamt Chelsea getting stuffed away in the Champions League and boring the hell out of me, getting 11 players behind the ball, packing their box, throwing their bodies at everything, defending heroically oh and the small matter of The Special One being touted as a genius, that's Ryan for the Champions League surely then... Behave mate. There is no conspiracy about this.
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Post by harryburrows on May 10, 2014 20:38:26 GMT
Its because he plays for Stoke............end of sadly Would be a regular, probably even captain if he played for the " so called top 4 " And he doesn't play for the top four for a very good reason. It is the same reason he doesn't get international consideration. Ryan is wonderful for us but his style of defending is all wrong for Champions League and international football. There is no conspiracy about this. a bit unfair on Ryan as hes been told to defend in a certain way throughout his stoke career .lets see how he develops under hughes
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Post by Olgrligm on May 10, 2014 20:44:29 GMT
Its because he plays for Stoke............end of sadly Would be a regular, probably even captain if he played for the " so called top 4 " And he doesn't play for the top four for a very good reason. It is the same reason he doesn't get international consideration. Ryan is wonderful for us but his style of defending is all wrong for Champions League and international football. There is no conspiracy about this. Well actually, if Hodgson intends to employ the same system that he used against Italy two years ago when he plays Italy (and, indeed, Uruguay) then Ryan is probably more suited to playing at centre-back than any other defender in the country.
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Post by mrpickles on May 10, 2014 20:47:42 GMT
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Post by lastoftheldk on May 10, 2014 20:59:53 GMT
Thanks pickles so Fergie said he would have kept Ryan if he had known that the other lad was going to go back to Spain he did not say it was a big mistake to let our Ryan go
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