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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 26, 2014 14:23:23 GMT
I get you but I'm not convinced Assaidi is going to take us to the next level. English, younger, great potential....I'd be happier with him than Assaidi tbh. He's decent but I still think he's lightweight and seems injury prone. I would guess we'd get Redmond for 4 million and lower wages I think the two deals would be similar mate as we'd end up spending more on Redmond. I rate Redmond but we'd be paying more for a player who only scored once in 37 games last season and didn't really contribute with assists either. I wouldn't mind them both but see Redmond as the bigger risk. Glad you deciphered my enigma code style post!!! Dunno what happened there!!??
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 14:23:33 GMT
If we bought in Assaidi on 45k then I dare say he'd be one of our top earners. Fine if that's what you want to do but form an orderly queue for every other member of the squad wanting a rise in line with his in relation to squad rank. It would be a dangerous move IMO at 45k. 30k....take it or leave it, especially given the OTT transfer fee. In an ideal world you're right but would you move jobs to earn less? I don't know what he's earning at Liverpool to compare. I'm basing that figure on our squad, rough guesses on what they earn based on the supposed 40k a week limit, self sufficiency drive by the owners and what we got out of him last season. I think around 30k is about right, both for him and our club. He can stop in Liverpools reserves for all I care. There are plenty more wide men that we can go for.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 26, 2014 14:25:53 GMT
In an ideal world you're right but would you move jobs to earn less? I don't know what he's earning at Liverpool to compare. I'm basing that figure on our squad, rough guesses on what they earn based on the supposed 40k a week limit, self sufficiency drive by the owners and what we got out of him last season. I think around 30k is about right, both for him and our club. He can stop in Liverpools reserves for all I care. There are plenty more wide men that we can go for. I think you'd be surprised by what some are on now, mate.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 14:26:56 GMT
I don't know what he's earning at Liverpool to compare. I'm basing that figure on our squad, rough guesses on what they earn based on the supposed 40k a week limit, self sufficiency drive by the owners and what we got out of him last season. I think around 30k is about right, both for him and our club. He can stop in Liverpools reserves for all I care. There are plenty more wide men that we can go for. I think you'd be surprised by what some are on now, mate. Oh? Really? How come?
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Post by Beardy200 on Jul 26, 2014 14:28:14 GMT
If we bought in Assaidi on 45k then I dare say he'd be one of our top earners. Fine if that's what you want to do but form an orderly queue for every other member of the squad wanting a rise in line with his in relation to squad rank. It would be a dangerous move IMO at 45k. 30k....take it or leave it, especially given the OTT transfer fee. In an ideal world you're right but would you move jobs to earn less? Then we move on and find better value. It's not like we're desperate for him. Just because Liverpool massively overpaid him doesn't mean we have to make the same mistake.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 26, 2014 14:29:48 GMT
I think you'd be surprised by what some are on now, mate. Oh? Really? How come? I think you'll find the Crouch's, Diouf's, Bojan's and a few more are on more than that now. 40k was the cap when we signed Kenwynne and we dicked that by giving him a massive signing on fee to equate it to 60k per week.
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Post by arnieforpresident on Jul 26, 2014 14:47:03 GMT
Can't we have him on loan for another season?
This deal will drag on until the last day, lfc will drop their asking price to get him off the wage bill we'll get him for 4 mil & hand him a signing on fee i reckon.
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Post by armitagestokie on Jul 26, 2014 20:47:52 GMT
Greedy little fellow....tell him stick it, never get in scousers 1st team and go for Redmond instead, don't be held to ransom.
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Post by lordb on Jul 26, 2014 22:13:21 GMT
Greedy little fellow....tell him stick it, never get in scousers 1st team and go for Redmond instead, don't be held to ransom. Would Redmond's wage demands be any lower?
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Post by armitagestokie on Jul 26, 2014 22:59:52 GMT
Less than 40K and he'll be on champs money at Noooorich, so he'd come at under our limit.
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Post by lordb on Jul 26, 2014 23:02:38 GMT
Less than 40K and he'll be on champs money at Noooorich, so he'd come at under our limit. Will he? Premier League club when they bought him,he isn't' going to be expecting much less than Ossie
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Post by march4 on Jul 26, 2014 23:05:03 GMT
Can't we have him on loan for another season? This deal will drag on until the last day, lfc will drop their asking price to get him off the wage bill we'll get him for 4 mil & hand him a signing on fee i reckon. Another loan would be the best option. We could then see how injury prone he is without the ridiculously inflated transfer fee.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 7:54:41 GMT
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Post by Beardy200 on Jul 27, 2014 8:50:44 GMT
All hypothetical mate. The question asked was 'would you change employers if they were offering you less money?' and that's what I replied to. Under your possible scenario I'd be inclined to agree with you.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 27, 2014 9:04:03 GMT
Dutch paperWho knows what he's on at Liverpool? But I find it very hard to believe it's more than 30k. The main rival for him in 2012 was Ajax. And they were reportedly not prepared to go over £17000 for him and he was looking for £24000 It does defy belief a bit that Liverpool would come in and double that figure when they had absolutely no need to. It certainly looks like he's looking for a wage INCREASE as he thinks his hit-and-miss season last year means he's proven in the Premier League, rather than staying on the salary he entered the league on as a gamble from a middle-ranking Dutch club. I really can't see anyone else coming in for him at those ludicrous figures, so if we hold tight we should be able to get him in on loan again if we want?
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Post by potterpaul on Jul 27, 2014 9:11:48 GMT
This wage demand all sounds iffy to me..........are we perhaps delaying this deal to make Liverpool drop their fee out of desperation?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 27, 2014 9:29:25 GMT
I think it's crucial we do sign another winger before the season starts whether that's Assaidi or someone else. Think Oussama deserves more credit than he gets for his efforts last season. Scored goals (a few absolute screamers), changed games and was always looking to beat his man. What more could we realistically asked for given it was his first season?
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Post by boomboom on Jul 27, 2014 9:39:45 GMT
Maybe he wants more money on the basis that his injury(s) will curtail his top flight career.
If so, adios Assaidi, don't take the piss and good luck with that.
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Post by amershamstokie1234 on Jul 27, 2014 10:01:04 GMT
We need this guy , watch him on youtube
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 28, 2014 6:16:35 GMT
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Post by s7oke on Jul 28, 2014 6:25:07 GMT
Sounds more truthful that account
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 6:59:48 GMT
It couldn't just be that these things take time and people are panicking over nothing?
I know it'd be the first ever time, but you never know?
Luckilly our two other exciting signings this summer, Diouf and Bojan, were confirmed within seconds of our interest being made public knowledge. Imagine if we'd had to spend an entire summer reading how greedy these players are, based on nothing but guesswork.....
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 28, 2014 7:07:31 GMT
It couldn't just be that these things take time and people are panicking over nothing? I know it'd be the first ever time, but you never know? Luckilly our two other exciting signings this summer, Diouf and Bojan, were confirmed within seconds of our interest being made public knowledge. Imagine if we'd had to spend an entire summer reading how greedy these players are, based on nothing but guesswork..... To be fair, it's hard to think the delay is anything but a reasonably big problem over wages. We've agreed a fee and he's about as welcome at Liverpool as a fart in a spacesuit - and has as much chance of getting a game for them this season as Stan Boardman. He isn't even in a whopping 33-man squad in America and must be training with the kids. Probably sensible of Hughes to give a non-committal answer though as we do hold all the cards. I can't see any other club in world football putting down a deal of up to £7m for him. We can just wait and wait until he realises we're probably the only show in town. We could even end up getting him on loan again.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 7:12:24 GMT
It couldn't just be that these things take time and people are panicking over nothing? I know it'd be the first ever time, but you never know? Luckilly our two other exciting signings this summer, Diouf and Bojan, were confirmed within seconds of our interest being made public knowledge. Imagine if we'd had to spend an entire summer reading how greedy these players are, based on nothing but guesswork..... I don't fully understand what you're saying there mate, are you saying that the signings of both Diouf & Bojan were sorted out within seconds of the clubs interest being made public knowledge? ie. Media, fans etc got wind that we were after Diouf and within seconds he was confirmed as a Stoke City player? If so then....i'm even more confused. It was public knowledge that we were interested in Diouf in June/July 2013. The Bojan deal was much quicker by comparison, i think it was July 11th that is was public knowledge and he signed on 22nd July. Neither are "confirmed within seconds of our interest being made public knowledge" Unless i'm reading what you're saying all wrong in which case apologies for being thick.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 7:12:51 GMT
In an ideal world you're right but would you move jobs to earn less? Then we move on and find better value. It's not like we're desperate for him. Just because Liverpool massively overpaid him doesn't mean we have to make the same mistake. But he's tried and tested in red and white He excited me from day one while Arnie was still throwing his arms about and looking at his feet...players and manager love him Like you do me You'd never find another frase
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Post by malteser68 on Jul 28, 2014 7:18:03 GMT
At the right conditions we should really do our utmost best to get assaidi. I truly believe he can be one of our top men and can help take us to the next level. Wingers who actually beat their man, who are always trying to go past the defender in front if them and who also chip in with some good goals are not so easy to come by
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Post by mrpickles on Jul 28, 2014 7:20:48 GMT
For what it's worth (possibly nothing) but a mate of mine was speaking James Alabi at Newcastle Town the other day, and he said he'd be amazed if Assaidi didn't end up here as "He's never away from the place".
I know money talks, but he obviously feels like 'one of the boys' here. Add that to the logic in FM's post, and I can't possibly imagine that he won't be a Stoke player come September.
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Post by lordb on Jul 28, 2014 7:48:05 GMT
Re the fee:
£4.5m rising to £7m
small beer compared to some of the figures being spent this summer
what does £15m buy you these days?
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Post by slpmarc on Jul 28, 2014 8:03:26 GMT
For what it's worth (possibly nothing) but a mate of mine was speaking James Alabi at Newcastle Town the other day, and he said he'd be amazed if Assaidi didn't end up here as "He's never away from the place". I know money talks, but he obviously feels like 'one of the boys' here. Add that to the logic in FM's post, and I can't possibly imagine that he won't be a Stoke player come September. I think he will eventually sign, no matter what his agent wants come the 1st of Sept he get nothing if the deal does not go through, he can barter all he wants, it's either take what's offered or nothing. £££££ will always prevail so once he realises he could lose out he will be running to Claytonwood to get that Biro nib on the paper
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 28, 2014 8:13:08 GMT
Re the fee: £4.5m rising to £7m small beer compared to some of the figures being spent this summer what does £15m buy you these days? About 20 Bojans!
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