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Post by Billybigbollox on Jul 26, 2014 12:50:44 GMT
Assaidi is a special player ....he's already proved that. He has oodles of skill and pace that can win a game on it's own.This is why the wages they are asking for are what they are. There is no doubt in my mind that Assaidi is much better than Redmond and I have little doubt that Sparky does too , hence the prolonged negotiation .i also think that if he can stay injury free he will get better. Redmond is quick and skillful but the accuracy of his final ball is poor....very poor . I'm sure that Sparky will hang on for as long as he can to get Assaidi. Whether he does or not remains to be seen. Yes I'd go along with that mumfster.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 26, 2014 12:51:55 GMT
I just can't shake the feeling that the big thing Assaidi lacks is consistency. On his day he's world class but if he only has a "day" every four or five games then we are better off looking elsewhere. If his wage demands are true then I wouldn't go near him. If players had " days " more frequent than that foxy Stoke City would be off the radar mate Don't agree mate. Ryan, Bego, Whelan even Arnie in the last ten games were all consistently good. I just think that Assaidi veers too much between excellent and totally ineffective. I certainly wouldn't break the bank or wage structure to get him in.
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Post by werrington on Jul 26, 2014 13:01:05 GMT
If players had " days " more frequent than that foxy Stoke City would be off the radar mate Don't agree mate. Ryan, Bego, Whelan even Arnie in the last ten games were all consistently good. I just think that Assaidi veers too much between excellent and totally ineffective. I certainly wouldn't break the bank or wage structure to get him in. I'd sign him in a flash mate In general he was excellent last season .....yeah he had poor games but so did them all ( Begovic apart ) Get him onboard
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 26, 2014 13:09:41 GMT
Don't agree mate. Ryan, Bego, Whelan even Arnie in the last ten games were all consistently good. I just think that Assaidi veers too much between excellent and totally ineffective. I certainly wouldn't break the bank or wage structure to get him in. I'd sign him in a flash mate In general he was excellent last season .....yeah he had poor games but so did them all ( Begovic apart ) Get him onboard I'd have him here too, Wezza. He's got pace, (unless your name is march!) good skill and will get us goals. Factor in how he fits in with the squad and he makes an ideal signing (apart from his wages). We are clearly working to a stricter financial budget now and as long as the powers that be are comfortable, I don't see the mileage in fans getting worked up about it.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 26, 2014 13:10:04 GMT
Don't agree mate. Ryan, Bego, Whelan even Arnie in the last ten games were all consistently good. I just think that Assaidi veers too much between excellent and totally ineffective. I certainly wouldn't break the bank or wage structure to get him in. I'd sign him in a flash mate In general he was excellent last season .....yeah he had poor games but so did them all ( Begovic apart ) Get him onboard Would you make him one of our highest paid players? I thought he was average with a scattering of excellent performances. Sensible wage and 6-7 million would be ok. Silly wages would put me off.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 26, 2014 13:14:27 GMT
I'd sign him in a flash mate In general he was excellent last season .....yeah he had poor games but so did them all ( Begovic apart ) Get him onboard Would you make him one of our highest paid players? I thought he was average with a scattering of excellent performances. Sensible wage and 6-7 million would be ok. Silly wages would put me off. If we delve into the wage thing too much, mate we'd all be scared to death. We were paying Danny Collins and Sonko over £25k a week and it never got mentioned, this lad can add something to the team though. Of course it's silly money but realistically if we want a goal scoring, wide player with experience at this level we are probably going to have it pay it anyway. At least we know he isn't a bad egg around the dressing room.
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Post by werrington on Jul 26, 2014 13:18:23 GMT
Would you make him one of our highest paid players? I thought he was average with a scattering of excellent performances. Sensible wage and 6-7 million would be ok. Silly wages would put me off. If we delve into the wage thing too much, mate we'd all be scared to death. We were paying Danny Collins and Sonko over £25k a week and it never got mentioned, this lad can add something to the team though. Of course it's silly money but realistically if we want a goal scoring, wide player with experience at this level we are probably going to have it pay it anyway. At least we know he isn't a bad egg around the dressing room. The Sentinel have much to answer for here Jamo Wages are a personal issue between the employer and employee so who are they to put it out there Why is his wage an issue on here but other players ( rightly so ) remain private
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 26, 2014 13:20:23 GMT
He only wants what other Stoke players are getting! Players he's no where near as good as, he still hasn't really proven himself, injury prone and wouldn't be a first team player, 45k is ridiculous and nothing he's done shows that he deserves it, it's handing contracts out like this that runs clubs into the ground.
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Post by 99problems on Jul 26, 2014 13:20:26 GMT
Ultimately If we feel he's worth it, we should meet the wages. We've been in the prem a good while now and this is pretty much what players who can take us to the next level and raise the roof are going to ask for.
I like him, stoke clearly like him, stop fucking around and sign him, let him get a good pre season in with the lads.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 26, 2014 13:21:06 GMT
If we delve into the wage thing too much, mate we'd all be scared to death. We were paying Danny Collins and Sonko over £25k a week and it never got mentioned, this lad can add something to the team though. Of course it's silly money but realistically if we want a goal scoring, wide player with experience at this level we are probably going to have it pay it anyway. At least we know he isn't a bad egg around the dressing room. The Sentinel have much to answer for here Jamo Wages are a personal issue between the employer and employee so who are they to put it out there Why is his wage an issue on here but other players ( rightly so ) remain private Given the Chairman we have I don't have any concerns about the wage bill and who is on what. As long as they are happy, I'm quite comfortable with it.
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Post by 99problems on Jul 26, 2014 13:23:34 GMT
He only wants what other Stoke players are getting! Players he's no where near as good as, he still hasn't really proven himself, injury prone and wouldn't be a first team player, 45k is ridiculous and nothing he's done shows that he deserves it, it's handing contracts out like this that runs clubs into the ground. Scored a few lovely goals tricky and has pace. Exactly what we need... Appreciate the injury thing though, maybe that's why we're not going for it.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 26, 2014 13:24:06 GMT
I'd sign him in a flash mate In general he was excellent last season .....yeah he had poor games but so did them all ( Begovic apart ) Get him onboard Would you make him one of our highest paid players? I thought he was average with a scattering of excellent performances. Sensible wage and 6-7 million would be ok. Silly wages would put me off. I'd change that to a scattering of excellent goals rather than performances.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 26, 2014 13:25:20 GMT
Players he's no where near as good as, he still hasn't really proven himself, injury prone and wouldn't be a first team player, 45k is ridiculous and nothing he's done shows that he deserves it, it's handing contracts out like this that runs clubs into the ground. Scored a few lovely goals tricky and has pace. Exactly what we need... Appreciate the injury thing though, maybe that's why we're not going for it. I'm guessing 45k for a bench player is why we aren't going for it tbh.
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Post by 99problems on Jul 26, 2014 13:28:43 GMT
Scored a few lovely goals tricky and has pace. Exactly what we need... Appreciate the injury thing though, maybe that's why we're not going for it. I'm guessing 45k for a bench player is why we aren't going for it tbh. He has the capacity to win football matches I don't care if he plays 90 mins or 10. If he bags the winner there's few who would complain about his wages then.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 26, 2014 13:33:59 GMT
Would you make him one of our highest paid players? I thought he was average with a scattering of excellent performances. Sensible wage and 6-7 million would be ok. Silly wages would put me off. If we delve into the wage thing too much, mate we'd all be scared to death. We were paying Danny Collins and Sonko over £25k a week and it never got mentioned, this lad can add something to the team though. Of course it's silly money but realistically if we want a goal scoring, wide player with experience at this level we are probably going to have it pay it anyway. At least we know he isn't a bad egg around the dressing room. True but you'd hope we've learned our lesson. He just doesn't strike me as a player I'd push the boat out for.
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Post by Beardy200 on Jul 26, 2014 13:34:02 GMT
Assaidi is a special player ....he's already proved that. He has oodles of skill and pace that can win a game on it's own.This is why the wages they are asking for are what they are. There is no doubt in my mind that Assaidi is much better than Redmond and I have little doubt that Sparky does too , hence the prolonged negotiation .i also think that if he can stay injury free he will get better. Redmond is quick and skillful but the accuracy of his final ball is poor....very poor . I'm sure that Sparky will hang on for as long as he can to get Assaidi. Whether he does or not remains to be seen. Yes I'd go along with that mumfster. That's Assaidi too and he's 6 years older.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 26, 2014 13:35:39 GMT
I'm guessing 45k for a bench player is why we aren't going for it tbh. He has the capacity to win football matches I don't care if he plays 90 mins or 10. If he bags the winner there's few who would complain about his wages then. 45k and 7mil, I would care, a club like ours should be spending that on players that will start games regularly.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 26, 2014 13:36:52 GMT
If we delve into the wage thing too much, mate we'd all be scared to death. We were paying Danny Collins and Sonko over £25k a week and it never got mentioned, this lad can add something to the team though. Of course it's silly money but realistically if we want a goal scoring, wide player with experience at this level we are probably going to have it pay it anyway. At least we know he isn't a bad egg around the dressing room. True but you'd hope we've learned our lesson. He just doesn't strike me as a player I'd push the boat out for. Things have changed since then, mate. We're batting on a completely different wicket now. The TV deal means (all) players are being told to ask for more and if we want to sign these lads who will assist our progression we are just going to have to pay the going rate and no matter how outlandish it seems, that's what it is.
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Post by arnieforpresident on Jul 26, 2014 13:37:11 GMT
If we delve into the wage thing too much, mate we'd all be scared to death. We were paying Danny Collins and Sonko over £25k a week and it never got mentioned, this lad can add something to the team though. Of course it's silly money but realistically if we want a goal scoring, wide player with experience at this level we are probably going to have it pay it anyway. At least we know he isn't a bad egg around the dressing room. True but you'd hope we've learned our lesson. He just doesn't strike me as a player I'd push the boat out for. Bet you wern't saying that when he smashed in the winner against Chelsea. This guy is quick has a cracking accurate shot & will only improve with regular games, his improvement from when he got here to when he left was ten fold.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 26, 2014 13:41:29 GMT
True but you'd hope we've learned our lesson. He just doesn't strike me as a player I'd push the boat out for. Bet you wern't saying that when he smashed in the winner against Chelsea. This guy is quick has a cracking accurate shot & will only improve with regular games, his improvement from when he got here to when he left was ten fold. He was probably happy that Stoke scored, still doesn't change the fact that he is over priced in transfer fee and wages.
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Post by arnieforpresident on Jul 26, 2014 13:46:13 GMT
Bet you wern't saying that when he smashed in the winner against Chelsea. This guy is quick has a cracking accurate shot & will only improve with regular games, his improvement from when he got here to when he left was ten fold. He was probably happy that Stoke scored, still doesn't change the fact that he is over priced in transfer fee and wages. That's a matter of opinion. Just because we have bought in a lot of players with free or low transfer fees on the whole the Assaidi fee is average or even low now Premiership prices, you could even argue it's a Championship fee these days & if the manager thinks he is the one he wants then it would be daft to sign someone from abroad with no Prem experience, unfamilaiar with the club for half the price of who he's not 100% sure about.
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Post by Linx on Jul 26, 2014 13:49:39 GMT
The issue highlights the essential difference between the big boys and clubs like ours. Perhaps he should try QPR; they have a reputation for trying to match top six club wages. He needs to accept that, unless he gets another top six club (not including Everton) in for him, he isn't going to get the wages he is on at Liverpool. If money is his priority, I suspect this will end up with him staying at Liverpool and being loaned out again.
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Post by Beardy200 on Jul 26, 2014 13:55:17 GMT
He was probably happy that Stoke scored, still doesn't change the fact that he is over priced in transfer fee and wages. That's a matter of opinion. Just because we have bought in a lot of players with free or low transfer fees on the whole the Assaidi fee is average or even low now Premiership prices, you could even argue it's a Championship fee these days & if the manager thinks he is the one he wants then it would be daft to sign someone from abroad with no Prem experience, unfamilaiar with the club for half the price of who he's not 100% sure about. You could argue 6 or 7 mill is a championship fee but 57k a week isn't. There's no way McCormack or that lad from Brighton will be on anywhere near that. Add that up over 4 years and it's a small fortune (nearly 12 mill). Wages play a much bigger part these days for whether it's value or not.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 26, 2014 13:56:18 GMT
He was probably happy that Stoke scored, still doesn't change the fact that he is over priced in transfer fee and wages. That's a matter of opinion. Just because we have bought in a lot of players with free or low transfer fees on the whole the Assaidi fee is average or even low now Premiership prices, you could even argue it's a Championship fee these days & if the manager thinks he is the one he wants then it would be daft to sign someone from abroad with no Prem experience, unfamilaiar with the club for half the price of who he's not 100% sure about. Tbh I'm not comparing it to the others we have signed, I don't think its expensive because the others were free or what ever, I think it's expensive for a club of our size spending it on a bench player and imo on a player that isn't as good as some make out, I think some peoples opinions are getting clouded by a couple of goals that he scored (pretty good ones granted), after that he has nothing else, and last season once teams had realised his one and only trick of cutting in he wasn't able to do it any more.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 26, 2014 14:08:17 GMT
True but you'd hope we've learned our lesson. He just doesn't strike me as a player I'd push the boat out for. Things have changed since then, mate. We're batting on a completely different wicket now. The TV deal means (all) players are being told to ask for more and if we want to sign these lads who will assist our progression we are just going to have to pay the going rate and no matter how outlandish it seems, that's what it is. I get you but I'm not convinced Assaidi is going to take us to the next level. English, younger, great potential....I'd be happier with him than Assaidi tbh. He's decent but I still think he's lightweight and seems injury prone. I would guess we'd get Redmond for 4 million and lower wages
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Post by petemac on Jul 26, 2014 14:13:05 GMT
The lad (or his agent) is taking the pee. He's more of an impact player that tends to get injured now and then. If anything Ryan, Bego and Marko to name a few should be earning more than him. Generally because they are less likely to miss games.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 26, 2014 14:14:06 GMT
Things have changed since then, mate. We're batting on a completely different wicket now. The TV deal means (all) players are being told to ask for more and if we want to sign these lads who will assist our progression we are just going to have to pay the going rate and no matter how outlandish it seems, that's what it is. I get you but I'm not convinced Assaidi is going to take us to the next level. English, younger, great potential....I'd be happier with him than Assaidi tbh. He's decent but I still think he's lightweight and seems injury prone. I would guess we'd get Redmond for 4 million and lower wages I think the two deals would be similar mate as we'd end up spending more on Redmond. I rate Redmond but we'd be paying more for a player who only scored once in 37 games last season and didn't really contribute with assists either. I wouldn't mind them both but see Redmond as the bigger risk.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 14:17:24 GMT
If we bought in Assaidi on 45k then I dare say he'd be one of our top earners.
Fine if that's what you want to do but form an orderly queue for every other member of the squad wanting a rise in line with his in relation to squad rank.
It would be a dangerous move IMO at 45k.
30k....take it or leave it, especially given the OTT transfer fee.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 26, 2014 14:20:08 GMT
If we bought in Assaidi on 45k then I dare say he'd be one of our top earners. Fine if that's what you want to do but form an orderly queue for every other member of the squad wanting a rise in line with his in relation to squad rank. It would be a dangerous move IMO at 45k. 30k....take it or leave it, especially given the OTT transfer fee. In an ideal world you're right but would you move jobs to earn less?
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 26, 2014 14:20:37 GMT
True but you'd hope we've learned our lesson. He just doesn't strike me as a player I'd push the boat out for. Bet you wern't saying that when he smashed in the winner against Chelsea. This guy is quick has a cracking accurate shot & will only improve with regular games, his improvement from when he got here to when he left was ten fold. No i wasn't saying that. I think it was something like "Yeeeaaaahhhhhhssssgeddaafffuucckkkiinnyoulittlemoroccanbbeeeaauuttyyy!!!" Something like that anyway.
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