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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 20:09:40 GMT
Post by fca47 on Apr 5, 2014 20:09:40 GMT
Wilko is not the reason we lost, they were all rubbish apart from Whelan, Wilson and Shawcross. But of course he has to take the blame for a wank performance.
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 20:17:21 GMT
Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 5, 2014 20:17:21 GMT
I'm 20stone and 6ft4 and I work the doors up town don't talk out your arse Let me guess: Are you a very rare writing gorilla? I can work doors too. Some go in and some go out. I'm 4 foot 4 and 8 stone. I'm a highly developed dwarf.
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 20:20:02 GMT
Post by scfcno1fan on Apr 5, 2014 20:20:02 GMT
I'm not angry I was told that if I had words with wilko I would but put on the floor all I am stating is the reality .like fuck that would happen You seem pretty damn confident you'd have Wilko. And he isn't going to put you on the floor. Well, I concede defeat. You win Slogmeister. Changing the subject completely, your avatar doesn't half make me laugh. Good old Mick.
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 20:21:56 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Apr 5, 2014 20:21:56 GMT
Let me guess: Are you a very rare writing gorilla? I can work doors too. Some go in and some go out. I'm 4 foot 4 and 8 stone. I'm a highly developed dwarf. Are you Jack Wilshire by any chance, keep twatting them horrible girls ard lad.
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 20:24:58 GMT
Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 5, 2014 20:24:58 GMT
I can work doors too. Some go in and some go out. I'm 4 foot 4 and 8 stone. I'm a highly developed dwarf. Are you Jack Wilshire by any chance, keep twatting them horrible girls ard lad. No I said highly developed not totally retarded little fuck.
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 20:28:27 GMT
Post by numpty40 on Apr 5, 2014 20:28:27 GMT
Wilko is not the reason we lost, they were all rubbish apart from Whelan, Wilson and Shawcross. But of course he has to take the blame for a wank performance. No he wasn't the reason we lost but that stupid challenge at that time put the game well and truly beyond us.
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Post by Kjones9 on Apr 5, 2014 20:28:33 GMT
And I'm pretty sure you'll get acquainted with the floor. I'm 20stone and 6ft4 and I work the doors up town don't talk out your arse You're confusing hanging around in doorways all night with having a job on them aren't you?
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 20:29:48 GMT
Post by chigstoke on Apr 5, 2014 20:29:48 GMT
You seem pretty damn confident you'd have Wilko. And he isn't going to put you on the floor. Well, I concede defeat. You win Slogmeister. Changing the subject completely, your avatar doesn't half make me laugh. Good old Mick. The gif of him saying one in the hole is a good one as well
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 20:33:06 GMT
Post by robwahlmann on Apr 5, 2014 20:33:06 GMT
I can see why Hughes put him on because Cameron wasn't having his best game, but Wilko will always be too hot headed I'm afraid!
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 20:33:17 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Apr 5, 2014 20:33:17 GMT
Are you Jack Wilshire by any chance, keep twatting them horrible girls ard lad. No I said highly developed not totally retarded little fuck. Sorry Mr Ramsey (Rambo) apologies I get you mixed up with you two.
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 20:34:14 GMT
via mobile
Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 5, 2014 20:34:14 GMT
Daft cunt half hour clearly!
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 20:34:56 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Apr 5, 2014 20:34:56 GMT
I'm 20stone and 6ft4 and I work the doors up town don't talk out your arse You're confusing hanging around in doorways all night with having a job on them aren't you? Gorillas in the night
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 20:35:08 GMT
Post by stokemanusa on Apr 5, 2014 20:35:08 GMT
Daft cunt half hour clearly! For once it wasn't Cameron on here. That is all.
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 20:37:23 GMT
Post by crownmeking on Apr 5, 2014 20:37:23 GMT
Good for you, means you'll fall harder Feel free come put that theory to the test Are you the bouncer at mothercare?
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 20:37:28 GMT
Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 5, 2014 20:37:28 GMT
No I said highly developed not totally retarded little fuck. Sorry Mr Ramsey (Rambo) apologies I get you mixed up with you two. Apology accepted. I didn't get the nickname Rambo for nothing. Well actually I did, Jack miss-spelled Bambi.
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 20:42:12 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Apr 5, 2014 20:42:12 GMT
Sorry Mr Ramsey (Rambo) apologies I get you mixed up with you two. Apology accepted. I didn't get the nickname Rambo for nothing. Well actually I did, Jack miss-spelled Bambi. thanks and keep taking the calcium intake, you never know you might last a full season soon.
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Post by mrpickles on Apr 5, 2014 20:42:21 GMT
Wilko had a terrible second half playing at right back.
Geoff had a terrible first half playing wherever he was supposed to be playing. If we've not got at least a 50 man shortlist for right back in the summer, I hope to fuck we're working on a procedure to swap Muniesa's feet around.
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 20:45:03 GMT
Post by stokemanusa on Apr 5, 2014 20:45:03 GMT
I can see why Hughes put him on because Cameron wasn't having his best game, but Wilko will always be too hot headed I'm afraid! Even though he was struggling Cameron was still having a better half than Pieters, PO and Arnie and they weren't subbed. There's no question it was a daft sub by MH thinking Wilko would shore up a defense away versus Chelsea in which not one winger for Stoke was helping on the edges. Took Jose' what a min to sub on Eden to take on Wilko and the "inevitable" peno to enshrine that we would get no points... Pieters was woeful and so where our wingers who turned off after meeting a tough defense. Wilko is getting alot of stick for a bad decision by MH as I see it. Cameron stepping in as RB is still better than Wilko who is out of depth.
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 20:45:21 GMT
Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 5, 2014 20:45:21 GMT
Apology accepted. I didn't get the nickname Rambo for nothing. Well actually I did, Jack miss-spelled Bambi. thanks and keep taking the calcium intake, you never know you might last a full season soon. Fuck that. My brittle bones get me out of at least 6 months every season. And I still get paid. I'd miss Jeremy Kyle if I had to train every day.
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 20:46:09 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2014 20:46:09 GMT
I was waiting for that tackle soon as he came on - like pennant time to go - a liability (I was at the game)
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Post by MadMarko10 on Apr 5, 2014 20:48:50 GMT
What was he doing when I next see him down town we are having words At least he isn't a steroided up shower of cuntery hiding behind a computer eh?
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Apr 5, 2014 20:50:08 GMT
Can anyone explain to me why wilkinson has been offered a new contract it seems unfathomable to me. No disrespect but I'm struggling to think of a current player who suits the Hughes style less.
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 20:54:00 GMT
Post by boozehound on Apr 5, 2014 20:54:00 GMT
Dave, Wilkinson is shocking, and in contrary to your opinion he WAS by far the worst player on the pitch, Crouch and Odemwingie had no service whatsoever, they fed on scraps at best. And.... why in a world where there is so much to get angry about.... why do you get angry about crouch ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2014 20:56:26 GMT
Can anyone explain to me why wilkinson has been offered a new contract it seems unfathomable to me. No disrespect but I'm struggling to think of a current player who suits the Hughes style less. I was thinking the same earlier and the only thing i could think of is, it's a cheap option. Which is worrying. By which i mean, it's cheaper to give him an extra year and have him as a back up rather than buying a new right back as a back up which would mean paying a fee/agent fee and maybe higher wage? However, that obviously made me think that if we need a new right back, which we do, then Geoff Cameron would then become the "back up right back" so we then wouldn't need Wilko in the squad anyway and Shotton would then be third choice right back. I've confused myself, i'll sum up... I think it was a cheap option and he's intended as right back cover. It's daft because we need a new first choice right back meaning Cameron would occupy the right back cover, meaning we don't actually need Wilko and last resurt is Shotton. So yeah, i'm still confused. I'd like us to buy 2 new right backs, one first choicer and a youngster who will be back up. Now i'd better stop typing because i'm losing myself amidst right backs who are back up and non-back ups to right backs we don't need cuz we have 3 back up right backs if we bought 2 new right backs. Arggghhh!
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 5, 2014 20:57:29 GMT
Cameron looked a poor full back last year and has given away goal after goal this year. He flatters to deceive going forward, as he can hang on to the ball fairly well but finds that the basics of passing a ball a few yards or crossing the ball without just hitting it as hard as he can evade him. Asides from the odd occasion he has found himself in the box, he offers as little going forward as he does in defence. In fact, even today Wilkinson has contributed more going forwards purely by virtue of occasionally completing a square pass to a team mate. He might be a decent midfielder, or useful cover in the middle, but he should never, ever find himself at full back again. Wilkinson needs a run of games now to win his place back and allow us to judge whether he can cut it in the new system as he did in the old system or if we need a complete overhaul in the summer, like the one we had at left back this summer. I think you're cutting your argument to suit your Wilko/Cameron agenda mate. We need better than both but if it's a straight choice between the two then Cameron wins every time, and let's remember he isn't even a natural full back. People conveniently forget the regular rapings handed out to Wilkinson at places like Wigan every season, for example, in a Tony Pulis side that was set up to protect the back four. He's got no chance in a more open system. As I recall it, for the most part Wilko never let us down, asides from when he had all those injury troubles last season, or got shoved out to left-back. You can pretty much count his poor games for us at right back over a five year on one hand. He struggled at Wigan a couple of times (although so did everyone else in our team for some reason) and I think everyone can remember him taking an absolute mullering as we went 3 down in however many minutes away at Spurs. After that 3-1 defeat at Bolton where he and Ryan both came across as very naive when faced with Kevin Davies, I'm struggling to think of many more shockers. That's not bad when he's played for probably 70% of our games in the Premier League before promotion. I find that it's been the opposite way around with Cameron this season, in that I struggle to think of games where he hasn't made a huge error that has cost us or almost cost us. Most of the time, it's a problem with his positioning. I've a lot of sympathy really, because most of his career has been played in the middle of the pitch. Hoefkens and Huth didn't exactly defend the far post well when played at right back, because they had both spent all of their career at centre-back before being shunted out there. Their instinct every time is just to drift towards the centre. I first spotted it when we played away at Old Trafford and he completely misjudged a cross to allow Rooney to head it back across the box for what I think was their equaliser. There might still be a role for him somewhere in the side, but for the most part he's just Danny Collins with better ball control. He doesn't actually even maraud up the flank with the ball any more anyway. Perhaps he can fit in in the midfield - having a player with some drive always helps - and he can always cover centre-back. For me it's pretty straightforward. No matter what happens, I don't want to see Cameron out there again. He's done enough to prove that he's just not good enough at this level. I've seen enough of Wilkinson to think that now we're safe, he deserves a run of games to see if he's up to playing in this system. If not then fine, we need to bring in two new right-backs. If he does, then I'll be very happy at having been right all along and we can focus our spending on other areas of the team. Giving him 45 minutes at Chelsea after months without a game just isn't enough of a crack of the whip. We have a winnable home game next week. There's not a lot more we can learn about Cameron, so we may as well have a look and see if our other options are any good there. It'd be negligent not to.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2014 20:57:58 GMT
It's not just today's errors though.his passing and general distribution have always let his game down.we need better to continue our progress.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Apr 5, 2014 20:58:24 GMT
The Final Act, à la Pennant.
Goodbye. God bless.
AW (to his agent): Fucking 'ell where's that contract extension? Get me a pen quick! Agent: Sorry Andy. Hughesy just came by and took it away for some... er... amendments. AW: Bollocks!
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 20:59:26 GMT
Post by longtimestokie on Apr 5, 2014 20:59:26 GMT
as soon as he came on i just knew that he would give a penalty away,,
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Wilko
Apr 5, 2014 21:00:40 GMT
Post by stokemanusa on Apr 5, 2014 21:00:40 GMT
Wilko had a terrible second half playing at right back. Geoff had a terrible first half playing wherever he was supposed to be playing. If we've not got at least a 50 man shortlist for right back in the summer, I hope to fuck we're working on a procedure to swap Muniesa's feet around. Geoff didn't have a terrible first half, we wasn't good or bad we was sub-par had a (6.2) from opta. But he did have more tackles, clearances and interceptions in the first half than Pieters who was having a mare on the opposite side did the whole game. He's normally a rock. But he normally has help.(got a 5.7) Thus Geoff had a better final rating. He was a first half "Scapegoat" for PO who wasn't tracking or marking on the edge leaving gaps. He was lazily defending on the throw in and didn't stop the cross for their first goal. If anything MH made a bad decision of subbing Geoff for Wilko who is out of his depth vs Chelsea and is the second half "Scapegoat." How is Wilko better to guard Eden Hazard than Geoff? how? By breaking his leg by tackling? That's right soon as we subbed Geoff they had free reign with Wilko out of position chasing the game and unable to get back with the speed of a lorry in a porsche race. It's Elementary and worrying from Hughes. By Hughes not subbing in Walters for PO or Arnie to help defend on either of the wings and be physical by not letting crosses in from the edge of the penalty box all match and not be a selfish twat who wouldn't pass to free up movement all game was worrying. Arnie, sadly gave Erik no help. Arnie had the worst game in a long while in a Stoke kit and was moping most of it. Erik was left alone just like Wilko. Soon as they got closed down our wingers they started moping and showboating instead of just passing it to safety. Yet no mention of how shit they were because they are flashy. Po 6.7 Pieters 5.7 Arnie 5.9 Cameron 6.2 Wilko 5.5
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 5, 2014 21:00:37 GMT
What was he doing when I next see him down town we are having words At least he isn't a steroided up shower of cuntery hiding behind a computer eh? Leave him alone he has come a long way, for a strategically shaven gorilla to have progressed to the level where he is able to type and string words together is fuckin amazing in my book, Davis Attenborough would be amazed and so proud of this development.
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